Evangelist: Only Christian Aurora Victims Going To Heaven

[Cap'n Cat]

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An evangelical spokesperson for a religious group known as Truth In Action has claimed that the tragedy in Colorado happened because America has lost its fear of hell.

In an article published on OneNewsNow, evangelical Jerry Newcombe wrote:

"I can't help but feel that to some extent, we're reaping what we've been sowing as a society. We said to God, "Get out of the public arena." Lawsuit after lawsuit, often by misguided "civil libertarians," have chased away any fear of God in the land -- at least in the hearts of millions."

Newcombe is not alone in reacting this way to the shooting in Aurora that claimed 12 lives and left dozens of people injured. On the day of the shooting Rep. Gohmert of Texas also insisted that the shootings are the result of "ongoing attacks on Judeo-Christian Beliefs":

"People say ... where was God in all of this? We've threatened high school graduation participations, if they use God's name, they're going to be jailed ... I mean that kind of stuff. Where was God? What have we done with God? We don't want him around. I kind of like his protective hand being present."

Perhaps more disturbing were Newcombe’s comments on a segment on the American Family Association dedicated to understanding the shooting tragedy in Colorado. In taking about the deaths, Newcombe separated the afterlife fate of those who died as Christians and those who did not:

"If a Christian dies early, if a Christian dies young, it seems tragic, but really it is not tragic because they are going to a wonderful place ... on the other hand, if a person doesn’t know Jesus Christ ... if they knowingly rejected Jesus Christ, then, basically, they are going to a terrible place."

Newcombe then turned the tragedy into an opportunity for people to convert to Christianity and avoid the fate of hell:

"For those who are not ‘in Christ’ and see this incredible tragedy, this would be a good time for soul reflection and consider why have you not accepted Jesus Christ ... I would urge anyone who is not in Christ to repent of your sins."

[CID1990]

So what?

People are entitled to their beliefs. The news media loves to interview evangelicals because there is an audience market that gobbles it up. Equally kooky are the 9/11 truthers, but they get little airtime because they are usually Donks.

[kalm]

So what?

People are entitled to their beliefs. The news media loves to interview evangelicals because there is an audience market that gobbles it up. Equally kooky are the 9/11 truthers, but they get little airtime because they are usually Donks.

9/11 truthers don't number in the 10's of millions, spend tons of money in politics pushing their agenda, and have United States congressman like Gohmert cheerleading for them.

[D1B]

So what?

People are entitled to their beliefs. The news media loves to interview evangelicals because there is an audience market that gobbles it up. Equally kooky are the 9/11 truthers, but they get little airtime because they are usually Donks.

Baldy Jr.

[Ibanez]

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An evangelical spokesperson for a religious group known as Truth In Action has claimed that the tragedy in Colorado happened because America has lost its fear of hell.

In an article published on OneNewsNow, evangelical Jerry Newcombe wrote:

"I can't help but feel that to some extent, we're reaping what we've been sowing as a society. We said to God, "Get out of the public arena." Lawsuit after lawsuit, often by misguided "civil libertarians," have chased away any fear of God in the land -- at least in the hearts of millions."

Newcombe is not alone in reacting this way to the shooting in Aurora that claimed 12 lives and left dozens of people injured. On the day of the shooting Rep. Gohmert of Texas also insisted that the shootings are the result of "ongoing attacks on Judeo-Christian Beliefs":

"People say ... where was God in all of this? We've threatened high school graduation participations, if they use God's name, they're going to be jailed ... I mean that kind of stuff. Where was God? What have we done with God? We don't want him around. I kind of like his protective hand being present."

Perhaps more disturbing were Newcombe’s comments on a segment on the American Family Association dedicated to understanding the shooting tragedy in Colorado. In taking about the deaths, Newcombe separated the afterlife fate of those who died as Christians and those who did not:

"If a Christian dies early, if a Christian dies young, it seems tragic, but really it is not tragic because they are going to a wonderful place ... on the other hand, if a person doesn’t know Jesus Christ ... if they knowingly rejected Jesus Christ, then, basically, they are going to a terrible place."

Newcombe then turned the tragedy into an opportunity for people to convert to Christianity and avoid the fate of hell:

"For those who are not ‘in Christ’ and see this incredible tragedy, this would be a good time for soul reflection and consider why have you not accepted Jesus Christ ... I would urge anyone who is not in Christ to repent of your sins."









These people are so misguided. They have the right to say it but Jesus...

[D1B]

So what?

People are entitled to their beliefs. The news media loves to interview evangelicals because there is an audience market that gobbles it up. Equally kooky are the 9/11 truthers, but they get little airtime because they are usually Donks.

Conk Truthers are just as fucked. The only difference is conk truthers appear to have been in positions of high power in our government.

Leading Conservatives: 9/11 Cover-Up

Is questioning the government's version of what happened on 9/11 a traitorous activity? Is it something cooked up by liberals and the Democrat party to weaken the conservative movement or to undermine the President's ability to lead the country in this dangerous time?

Well, let's see what leading conservatives have to say:

Current Republican Congressman states that "we see the [9/11] investigations that have been done so far as more or less cover-up and no real explanation of what went on"
Former U.S. Republican Congressman and senior member of the House Armed Services Committee, who served six years as the Chairman of the Military Research and Development Subcommittee, has shown that the U.S. tracked hijackers before 9/11, is open to hearing information about explosives in the Twin Towers, and is open to the possibility that 9/11 was an inside job

Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense under President Ronald Reagan said that the official story of 9/11 is "the dog that doesn't hunt" (if you suspect he is a closet liberal, take a look at his bio)

Former high-ranking Reagan official and very influential conservative finds "massive evidence that the 9/11 Commission Report is a hoax"

Former Air Force Colonel and Pentagon official, who was part of the influential Office of Special Plans, and who was at the Pentagon on 9/11 does not believe the official story regarding 9/11 (see also this essay)

Former Chairman of the Conservative National Committee in Washington DC, former Executive Editor of Conservative Digest, and former U.S. Marine Corps fighter pilot questions many aspects of the government's version of 9/11
Former Governor of Minnesota questions the government's version of 9/11, including the collapse of the Twin Towers

Conservative Arizona State Senator questions 9/11

In addition, the following high-level military and intelligence personnel have also questioned 9/11 (it is not clear whether or not they are conservatives; but their credentials are impressive):
Retired Lieutenant Colonel who served 21 years in the U.S. Marine Corps, a fighter pilot who flew over 300 combat missions, questions the official version of 9/11 and said "This isn't about party, it isn't about Bush Bashing. It's about our country, our constitution, and our future...Your countrymen have been murdered and the more you delve into it the more it looks as though they were murdered by our government, who used it as an excuse to murder other people thousands of miles away."

Former 20-year Marine Corps infantry and intelligence officer, the second-ranking civilian in U.S. Marine Corps Intelligence, and former CIA clandestine services case officer stated that "9/11 was at a minimum allowed to happen as a pretext for war", and it was probably an inside job (see Customer Review dated October 7, 2006)

Former FBI translator, who the Department of Justice's Inspector General and several senators have called extremely credible (free subscription required), said "If they were to do real investigations we would see several significant high level criminal prosecutions in this country. And that is something that they are not going to let out. And, believe me; they will do everything to cover this up". She also is leaning towards the conclusion that 9/11 was an inside job

Former director of the U.S. "Star Wars" space defense program in both Republican and Democratic administrations, who was a senior air force colonel who flew 101 combat missions believes that the military was intentionally disabled on 9/11 in order to allow the attacks to succeed (see also this statement)

High-ranking general and the former chief of NATO (in Danish; hint -- he mentions bombs in the Twin Towers)

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[Rob Iola]

So does this include the Mormons?

[dbackjon]

So does this include the Mormons?

If you are a Christian that believe that only people that believe in the Divinity of Christ, and that there is only one god, then Mormons are not Christians, and they are going to hell.

This person would certainly be of this belief.


The dirty secret that most of these guys don't want to say publically right now is that theologically, Muslims are closer in core beliefs to Christianity than Mormons are.

[Chizzang]

So what?

People are entitled to their beliefs. The news media loves to interview evangelicals because there is an audience market that gobbles it up. Equally kooky are the 9/11 truthers, but they get little airtime because they are usually Donks.

If it were only that simple...
Yes - your statement is true - but misses the point completely

[SuperHornet]

So does this include the Mormons?

If you are a Christian that believe that only people that believe in the Divinity of Christ, and that there is only one god, then Mormons are not Christians, and they are going to hell.

This person would certainly be of this belief.


The dirty secret that most of these guys don't want to say publically right now is that theologically, Muslims are closer in core beliefs to Christianity than Mormons are.

This is probably correct. Back at the beginning of Islam, the Church treated it as a deviant form of Christianity, quite possibly because they claim to worship the same God that Judeo-Christians do.

[death dealer]

If you understand their perspective then you also understand that they are truly sincere about this. I know it os easy for most of us to view these guys as playing some angle. They can't really believe this shit can they? But they do!! I'm telling you, they do. This guy isn't playing a political angle or working the crowd, he truly views those among the dead that weren't professing Christians as a lost opportunity to save a soul for his god. I live among these people. I employ several of them. I have people that I call friends and that I care about deeply, that otherwise are intelligent, logical humans, but when it comes to Jesus, they are bought in hook, line, and sinker. They consider it a true tragedy when someone dies "unsaved". My ever living soul, were I to actually have one, is prayed for constantly. When I go to take that long dirt nap one day I am sure that a common theme among my acquaintances will be what a shame it is that I'm burning in hell. They dont intend to offend. Quite the contrary, they are truly saddened by the loss of a soul to satan.

In a way, it's kinda touching to see someone like this guy take such a burden on their hearts for someone they don't even know. As misguided as many of us here may think they are, they truly mean well.

[houndawg]

If you understand their perspective then you also understand that they are truly sincere about this. I know it os easy for most of us to view these guys as playing some angle. They can't really believe this **** can they? But they do!! I'm telling you, they do. This guy isn't playing a political angle or working the crowd, he truly views those among the dead that weren't professing Christians as a lost opportunity to save a soul for his god. I live among these people. I employ several of them. I have people that I call friends and that I care about deeply, that otherwise are intelligent, logical humans, but when it comes to Jesus, they are bought in hook, line, and sinker. They consider it a true tragedy when someone dies "unsaved". My ever living soul, were I to actually have one, is prayed for constantly. When I go to take that long dirt nap one day I am sure that a common theme among my acquaintances will be what a shame it is that I'm burning in hell. They dont intend to offend. Quite the contrary, they are truly saddened by the loss of a soul to satan.

In a way, it's kinda touching to see someone like this guy take such a burden on their hearts for someone they don't even know. As misguided as many of us here may think they are, they truly mean well.

None so blind as he who will not see.

[death dealer]

If you understand their perspective then you also understand that they are truly sincere about this. I know it os easy for most of us to view these guys as playing some angle. They can't really believe this **** can they? But they do!! I'm telling you, they do. This guy isn't playing a political angle or working the crowd, he truly views those among the dead that weren't professing Christians as a lost opportunity to save a soul for his god. I live among these people. I employ several of them. I have people that I call friends and that I care about deeply, that otherwise are intelligent, logical humans, but when it comes to Jesus, they are bought in hook, line, and sinker. They consider it a true tragedy when someone dies "unsaved". My ever living soul, were I to actually have one, is prayed for constantly. When I go to take that long dirt nap one day I am sure that a common theme among my acquaintances will be what a shame it is that I'm burning in hell. They dont intend to offend. Quite the contrary, they are truly saddened by the loss of a soul to satan.

In a way, it's kinda touching to see someone like this guy take such a burden on their hearts for someone they don't even know. As misguided as many of us here may think they are, they truly mean well.

None so blind as he who will not see.

yep.

[JohnStOnge]

I am trying to figure out why anyone would think it remarkable that an Evangelical Christian would think that one has to have accepted Christ in order to go to heaven. That's one of the core beliefs of the group.

[Bison Fan in NW MN]

I am trying to figure out why anyone would think it remarkable that an Evangelical Christian would think that one has to have accepted Christ in order to go to heaven. That's one of the core beliefs of the group.

Exactly what I believe. The path to God and Heaven is through his Son.

[Chizzang]

I am trying to figure out why anyone would think it remarkable that an Evangelical Christian would think that one has to have accepted Christ in order to go to heaven. That's one of the core beliefs of the group.

What's constantly remarkable is their inability to actually read the other parts of the very same book...
It begs the logical question, over and over - if you believe with ALL OF YOUR HEART that part of the Bible
Why don't you believe the other parts WITH ALL OF YOUR HEART too..?

It's called: "Selectively Intermittent Faith Disorder"
The hard core fundamental belief of one passage / and not the next / This one / but not that one
Until that problem is resolved I'm pretty much going to have to call bullsh!t on the entire thing frankly

[93henfan]

I am trying to figure out why anyone would think it remarkable that an Evangelical Christian would think that one has to have accepted Christ in order to go to heaven. That's one of the core beliefs of the group.

What's constantly remarkable is their inability to actually read the other parts of the very same book...
It begs the logical question, over and over - if you believe with ALL OF YOUR HEART that part of the Bible
Why don't you believe the other parts WITH ALL OF YOUR HEART too..?

It's called: "Selectively Intermittent Faith Disorder"
The hard core fundamental belief of one passage / and not the next / This one / but not that one
Until that problem is resolved I'm pretty much going to have to call bullsh!t on the entire thing frankly

That's why you're going to hell...

..with Death Dealer...

...and me.

[dbackjon]

What's constantly remarkable is their inability to actually read the other parts of the very same book...
It begs the logical question, over and over - if you believe with ALL OF YOUR HEART that part of the Bible
Why don't you believe the other parts WITH ALL OF YOUR HEART too..?

It's called: "Selectively Intermittent Faith Disorder"
The hard core fundamental belief of one passage / and not the next / This one / but not that one
Until that problem is resolved I'm pretty much going to have to call bullsh!t on the entire thing frankly

That's why you're going to hell...

..with Death Dealer...

...and me.

That the issue - NO one is going to heaven by the standards these guys set - because these guys are modern day Pharisees.

[93henfan]

^
Also going to hell with us! It'll be fun!!

[Ibanez]

I am trying to figure out why anyone would think it remarkable that an Evangelical Christian would think that one has to have accepted Christ in order to go to heaven. That's one of the core beliefs of the group.

On of the greatest things to come out of the RNC is that they teach (or used to) that you don't need to belong to religion to get to heaven. If you follow the teachings of Christ(doing good works, not being a bad person, etc...) then heaven is your reward.

[Ibanez]

^
Also going to hell with us! It'll be fun!!

I'm sure i'll be in the VIP room. I'll get you in. Just tell the bouncer you're with me.

[Appaholic]

Perhaps more disturbing were Newcombe’s comments on a segment on the American Family Association dedicated to understanding the shooting tragedy in Colorado. In taking about the deaths, Newcombe separated the afterlife fate of those who died as Christians and those who did not:

"If a Christian dies early, if a Christian dies young, it seems tragic, but really it is not tragic because they are going to a wonderful place ... on the other hand, if a person doesn’t know Jesus Christ ... if they knowingly rejected Jesus Christ, then, basically, they are going to a terrible place."

Why isn't the suicide rate higher for Christians if it's such a wonderful place?

[death dealer]

That the issue - NO one is going to heaven by the standards these guys set - because these guys are modern day Pharisees.

Actually, modern Evangelical Christianity is heavily into the sovereingty of God. You can't get in with good works. It is all about the sacrifice that Jesus made of himself. Because God is apparently perfect, and completely righteous, he cannot tolerate sin. Therefore, a sacrifice had to be made to attone for the inevitable sin committed by humans to clear the slate. Up until Jesus came along, that had to take the form of an animal sacrifice that met certain very strict requirements contained in the Torah. But Jesus sacrificed himself by coming to Earth as a human, living among us, allowing himself to be subjected to the same tempations and restrictions to time that all humans are, and then being crucified in our stead. Jesus is actually the son of God, but is also God himself, at least one third of God, the other two parts being Yahweh and the Holy Spirit. But when he came to Earth he gave up most of his Godly powers and was just as mortal and weak as the rest of us. His holy, deified blood was apparently enough to compensate for all the sins of all the mortal souls on Earth for the rest of time. All that is required is that you profess faith in him as the devine sovereign ruler of all existence and devote you life to the conversion of others.

I grew up hearing this story day in and day out for most of my early life. You think this is fucked up? The other side of my family is Jewish. Christianity is pretty tame compared to Judaism.

[Chizzang]

Perhaps more disturbing were Newcombe’s comments on a segment on the American Family Association dedicated to understanding the shooting tragedy in Colorado. In taking about the deaths, Newcombe separated the afterlife fate of those who died as Christians and those who did not:

"If a Christian dies early, if a Christian dies young, it seems tragic, but really it is not tragic because they are going to a wonderful place ... on the other hand, if a person doesn’t know Jesus Christ ... if they knowingly rejected Jesus Christ, then, basically, they are going to a terrible place."

Why isn't the suicide rate higher for Christians if it's such a wonderful place?

Agreed; and
They seem a little too anxious to send "everybody else" to their afterlife

[D1B]

Perhaps more disturbing were Newcombe’s comments on a segment on the American Family Association dedicated to understanding the shooting tragedy in Colorado. In taking about the deaths, Newcombe separated the afterlife fate of those who died as Christians and those who did not:

"If a Christian dies early, if a Christian dies young, it seems tragic, but really it is not tragic because they are going to a wonderful place ... on the other hand, if a person doesn’t know Jesus Christ ... if they knowingly rejected Jesus Christ, then, basically, they are going to a terrible place."

Why isn't the suicide rate higher for Christians if it's such a wonderful place?

Because most of em know, deep down, Christianity is a crock of shit.