Poverty Level

[ASUG8]

Chet doesn't want you to know how broke the south is, yet they constantly vote for the racist republicans.

Nine of the top 12 states with the highest populations of African Americans (and thereby the largest voting blocks) are in the South...why don't they go Democratic?

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[YoUDeeMan]

There's always going to be some who slip through the cracks but I'm guessing it would be a very wise investment. Especially if it was a work/study/CCC type program where they are receiving an apprenticeship while actually providing productivity.

Isn't that similar to the idea that everyone should get a college education? Eventually we'd have college graduates or tradesmen without jobs...or sweeping floors.

Wait a minute.

How many oil change mechanics do we need? And what would happen to the livelihood of those who are employed in whatever work/study program pumping out hundreds of thousands of newly trained people looking for work in that particular field?

A larger part of the problem comes down to a lack of financial education in our schools and communities. We learn some pretty useless stuff in school while ignoring the most basic tool of financial survival...save money...EARLY and often.

You want to get out of poverty? Save money...live with your family or extended family as long as you can while extending your education. Pool your resources with others who are trying to get out. Work hard and make sacrifices. Sure, it is a long haul, but you'll most likely get you and your family out of the bottom of the barrel within a generation.

But sacrificing for the next generation is far too long to wait for most people.

Instead, people expect to pop out a few kids, get their own apartment (who wants to live with their parents or adult kids when someone else can provide), buy the newest shoes and big screen TV, eat expensive crappy food, and generally blame the system for keeping them down.

[YoUDeeMan]

What a shame. If I ever meet you, I will hurt you in horrible ways.

I'm with you. I would bet huge money this pussy never shows his head in public. Bunch of soft, losers on this board.

Stop by a Delaware game and I'll introduce myself, you racist dope. Bring cash.

[Tod]

What a shame. If I ever meet you, I will hurt you in horrible ways.

Blow it out your ass. You'd have to find a way to get some other taxpayers try to do the job for you.

Speaking of jobs and expectations, your daughter pumps out a couple kids while planning a fullfilling career at the local Mini-Mart and you expect the rest of us to take care of her and her passion flowers? How about manning up and taking care of them yourself instead of her mooching off everyone else? Not big enough to shoulder the responsibility?

"The system holds people back"...the cry of a loser.

Typical idiotic response.

Try dealing in reality instead of how you think things should be.

The situation was what it was, nothing could change that. And you have no idea what that situation was/is.

But you certainly don't hesitate to say things that are incredibly insulting to me and my daughter, just to make a shitty political point. Typical conk.

Go fvck yourself.

[CID1990]

Blow it out your ass. You'd have to find a way to get some other taxpayers try to do the job for you.

Speaking of jobs and expectations, your daughter pumps out a couple kids while planning a fullfilling career at the local Mini-Mart and you expect the rest of us to take care of her and her passion flowers? How about manning up and taking care of them yourself instead of her mooching off everyone else? Not big enough to shoulder the responsibility?

"The system holds people back"...the cry of a loser.

Typical idiotic response.

Try dealing in reality instead of how you think things should be.

The situation was what it was, nothing could change that. And you have no idea what that situation was/is.

But you certainly don't hesitate to say things that are incredibly insulting to me and my daughter, just to make a shitty political point. Typical conk.

Go fvck yourself.

Dude.

Didnt you and eagleskins get the memo that nobody cares about your feelings here at CS?

Maybe you should skip on back over there to AGS where you can moan to mods when you get your thin skin pricked.

[Gil Dobie]

The poorest segment of the population before the New Deal was the elderly. They are not a threat to incite violence if the reforms were to be repealed.

Tell all the 80+ year olds in this country to go out an "make their own way" and "provide for themselves." They can go pick lettuce in Arizona or something.

Many of them do make their own way and provide for themselves. Many have retirement funds to live off, or sell their business, or property, after working 40-50 years of their lives.

[Gil Dobie]

Another indication that this recession long-term. I find it interesting that the poverty level is $22,000 for a family of four. People who make $22,000/year should have a family of one. The article also quotes a Heritage Foundation spokesperson who makes the point that many of our "impoverished" live in decent sized houses, own a car, and have big screen TV's.

Could be some family of 4's started out at $90,000 per year and due to circumstances beyond their control, ended up being at $22,000 or below.

[Ibanez]

Another indication that this recession long-term. I find it interesting that the poverty level is $22,000 for a family of four. People who make $22,000/year should have a family of one. The article also quotes a Heritage Foundation spokesperson who makes the point that many of our "impoverished" live in decent sized houses, own a car, and have big screen TV's.

Could be some family of 4's started out at $90,000 per year and due to circumstances beyond their control, ended up being at $22,000 or below.

What can a pizza do that a black man can't?

Spoiler: show

Feed a family of four.

[Rob Iola]

Typical idiotic response.

Try dealing in reality instead of how you think things should be.

The situation was what it was, nothing could change that. And you have no idea what that situation was/is.

But you certainly don't hesitate to say things that are incredibly insulting to me and my daughter, just to make a shitty political point. Typical conk.

Go fvck yourself.

Dude.

Didnt you and eagleskins get the memo that nobody cares about your feelings here at CS?

Maybe you should skip on back over there to AGS where you can moan to mods when you get your thin skin pricked.

Don't mean to speak for Ursus, but good luck with that...

[UNI88]

The reason people at the poverty level live better than how it would appear is because of the assistance provided for living expenses.

A single person with two children making $14,000 a year with a $6000 housing voucher, $3000 in food stamps and $7000 income tax "refund" (which is when most of the big screens are bought ) lives like they make $30,000 which of course isn't great but it isn't $14,000 either. Now before you jump all over me, I am not opposed except that I think the tax "refund" should be some other form of assistance. The tax code doesn't look at all income to determine what a person should get. Child support isn't counted like it would be in other assitance, etc. So we do a pretty good job making life better but not great.

My concern is though for someone at that income level there isn't much incentive to do better. For every extra dollar they, they lose probably 80 cents in assistance. So this person has to double their income before they really start to see any benefit. While I say that is a problem, I will be the first to admit I am not sure what to do about,

Exactly.

There is not a state in the union where a minimum wage worker working a 40 hour week can afford a two bedroom apartment.

Does the minimum wage need to be high enough so that a worker can afford a two bedroom apartment? Does every job have to pay a "living wage"? Does a high school kid working at McDonalds or stalking shelves at Target need to make enough to afford a two bedroom apartment?

Rather than raising the minimum wage so that a 24 year-old with a kid or two can afford that two bedroom apartment I would prefer that the government provide some job training and child care assistance so that they can find a higher value job and be able to afford to that apartment based on market wages. The job training and child care assistance need to have a time limit on them to encourage the 24 year-old to get out and improve his or her own lot in life.

And to OLFU's point, we need to take a look at the formulas. We need to encourage people to better themselves rather than encouraging them to stay with the status quo.

[Tod]

Typical idiotic response.

Try dealing in reality instead of how you think things should be.

The situation was what it was, nothing could change that. And you have no idea what that situation was/is.

But you certainly don't hesitate to say things that are incredibly insulting to me and my daughter, just to make a shitty political point. Typical conk.

Go fvck yourself.

Dude.

Didnt you and eagleskins get the memo that nobody cares about your feelings here at CS?

Maybe you should skip on back over there to AGS where you can moan to mods when you get your thin skin pricked.

Shouldn't basically calling another person's daughter a slut be off limits even on a board filled with douches?

Call me anything you want. Talk bad about my family...not acceptable.

[andy7171]

This thread is quickly evolving a need for pictures aspect.

[grizzaholic]

This thread is quickly evolving a need for pictures aspect.

Pictures you say???

Like these?

[andy7171]

Tod's got hot daughters!

[Tod]

This thread is quickly evolving a need for pictures aspect.

Pictures you say???

Like these?

Top one looks like my youngest a bit...

[grizzaholic]

Tod's got hot daughters!

No shit. Not sure what he would be upset about You could bad mouth him all day long and he would know that when he comes home he has a loving family and it doesn't matter what anyone else thinks.

[Tod]

Tod's got hot daughters!

No ****. Not sure what he would be upset about You could bad mouth him all day long and he would know that when he comes home he has a loving family and it doesn't matter what anyone else thinks.

Methinks don't insult my family. That is all. They are great, though!

[grizzaholic]

No ****. Not sure what he would be upset about You could bad mouth him all day long and he would know that when he comes home he has a loving family and it doesn't matter what anyone else thinks.

Methinks don't insult my family. That is all. They are great, though!

If someone out in cyber space insults you or your family why get upset? They don't know you from anyone.

Here is a little video about it. Just remember, you know what you have and words don't mean shit.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LLDDGDiz6bg[/youtube]

[OL FU]

Exactly.

There is not a state in the union where a minimum wage worker working a 40 hour week can afford a two bedroom apartment.

Does the minimum wage need to be high enough so that a worker can afford a two bedroom apartment? Does every job have to pay a "living wage"? Does a high school kid working at McDonalds or stalking shelves at Target need to make enough to afford a two bedroom apartment?

Rather than raising the minimum wage so that a 24 year-old with a kid or two can afford that two bedroom apartment I would prefer that the government provide some job training and child care assistance so that they can find a higher value job and be able to afford to that apartment based on market wages. The job training and child care assistance need to have a time limit on them to encourage the 24 year-old to get out and improve his or her own lot in life.

And to OLFU's point, we need to take a look at the formulas. We need to encourage people to better themselves rather than encouraging them to stay with the status quo.

Thanks, that was exactly my point. While some will take it on themselves, the assistance programs dis-incentivize many to try an improve their lot. On the other hand, I don't want to live in a society that doesn't help provide at least a subsistence level income. It is a damn tough issue.

[YoUDeeMan]

Typical idiotic response.

Try dealing in reality instead of how you think things should be.

The situation was what it was, nothing could change that. And you have no idea what that situation was/is.

But you certainly don't hesitate to say things that are incredibly insulting to me and my daughter, just to make a shitty political point. Typical conk.

Go fvck yourself.

Political point?

Let me be clear...this has nothing to do with making a political point. It has to do with taking responsibility for one's actions.

Reality (since YOU mentioned it): young idiots who pop out children and go without fathers end up being a drain on the very system that you decry. Look it up, dope...it is a cycle that impacts mouth breathers more than others and it dovetails well into your view that the government (meaning other people) should take care of those not smart enough to understand basic biology and simple finance.

And I didn't call your daughter a slut...that was your call. By your reaction, you've probably been hearing that term thrown around in your mind for quite some time.

I simply implied that she was stupid because spread her legs and popped out kids without being smart enough to first figure out how to properly take care of them. Of course, that situation usually goes back to parenting and expectations...apples usually don't fall far from the tree.

Too bad you didn't get your panties in a wad early enough defend your daughter when it mattered most. A 50 cent raise for a mother of two...you have to be kidding me.

[Chizzang]

Typical idiotic response.

Try dealing in reality instead of how you think things should be.

The situation was what it was, nothing could change that. And you have no idea what that situation was/is.

But you certainly don't hesitate to say things that are incredibly insulting to me and my daughter, just to make a shitty political point. Typical conk.

Go fvck yourself.

Dude.

Didnt you and eagleskins get the memo that nobody cares about your feelings here at CS?

Maybe you should skip on back over there to AGS where you can moan to mods when you get your thin skin pricked.

I can assure you the MOD's don't care over there either...

[BDKJMU]

This thread is quickly evolving a need for pictures aspect.

Pictures you say???

Like these?

That is the top lookout on Diamond Head, Honolulu, HI. I was just there in April. Unfortunately she wasn't.

[D1B]

Dude.

Didnt you and eagleskins get the memo that nobody cares about your feelings here at CS?

Maybe you should skip on back over there to AGS where you can moan to mods when you get your thin skin pricked.

I can assure you the MOD's don't care over there either...

They've banned me. Won't even give me a flippin password.

[Ibanez]

I can assure you the MOD's don't care over there either...

They've banned me. Won't even give me a flippin password.

You told me your password once.

Spoiler: show

MrSnifflesUNI1984

[LeadBolt]

Pictures you say???

Like these?

That is the top lookout on Diamond Head, Honolulu, HI. I was just there in April. Unfortunately she wasn't.

Great View! How did she earn the name Diamond Head?