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Big Oil, Big Pharma...Big Technology???

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So much for Apple being a good 'progressive' corporate citizen, and good for them. :thumb:

How Apple's Phantom Taxes Hide Billions in Profit

"On Tuesday, Apple is set to report financial results for the second quarter. Analysts are expecting net income of $9.8 billion. But whatever figure Apple reports won't reflect its true profit, because the company hides some of it with an unusual tax maneuver.

Apple Inc., already the world's most valuable company, understates its profits compared with other multinationals. It's building up an overlooked asset in the form of billions of dollars, tucked away for tax bills it may never pay.

Tax experts say the company could easily eliminate these phantom tax obligations. That would boost Apple's profits for the past three years by as much $10.5 billion, according to calculations by The Associated Press.

While investors might rejoice if Apple suddenly added $10.5 billion to its profits, unilaterally erasing a massive U.S. tax obligation could tarnish its reputation as a relatively responsible payer of U.S. taxes. Instead, the company is lobbying to change U.S. law so that it can erase its liabilities in a less conspicuous fashion. The issue has become part of the presidential campaign.

Like other companies, Apple typically keeps profits on overseas sales in overseas accounts. When someone buys an iPad in Paris or Sydney, for instance, the profit stays outside the United States.

Apple may pay some corporate income taxes on that profit to the country where it sells the iPad, but it minimizes these by using various accounting moves to shift profits to countries with low tax rates. For example the strategy known as "Double Irish With a Dutch Sandwich," routes profits through Irish and Dutch subsidiaries and then to the Caribbean.

When it comes to using creative tax techniques, Apple is no different from other multinational corporations, says Robert Willens, an independent accounting expert.

And just like other corporations, Apple leaves cash overseas. If it brought it home to the U.S., it would have to pay federal income taxes on the money (though it would get a credit for foreign taxes already paid). In Apple's case, those overseas accounts have grown to a staggering $74 billion — equal to the market value of Citigroup Inc.

The money is accumulating overseas because corporations are counting on lower U.S. tax rates in the future. At 35 percent, the U.S. corporate tax rate is among the highest for developed countries. In 2004, Congress enacted a one-year "tax holiday" for overseas earnings, and multinationals are hoping for a repeat of that. Presidential candidate Mitt Romney wants to permanently eliminate federal taxes on overseas profits. President Barack Obama attacked that idea last week, saying it won't create U.S. jobs, like the Romney campaign contends."


For comparison's sake...

Big Oil's effective tax rate is about 40%
Big Pharma's effective tax rate is about 25%
Apple's effective tax rate is about 10%

Discuss... :mrgreen:
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Collecting more tax money is not the problem...
Our federal government has plenty of money to run this country just fine
REPEAT: collecting MORE taxes is NOT the problem



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Chizzang wrote:Collecting more tax money is not the problem...
Our federal government has plenty of money to run this country just fine
REPEAT: collecting MORE taxes is NOT the problem



:coffee: discuss
You are absolutely right. We have a spending problem, not a revenue problem. If you take every penny that the Forbes 400 have you can't even balance the federal budget for 1 year. It's time to start making cuts.

Now I will wait for the Apple lovers to defend the company. :coffee:
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Chizzang wrote:Collecting more tax money is not the problem...
Our federal government has plenty of money to run this country just fine
REPEAT: collecting MORE taxes is NOT the problem



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Define "run". :popcorn:
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kalm wrote:
Chizzang wrote:Collecting more tax money is not the problem...
Our federal government has plenty of money to run this country just fine
REPEAT: collecting MORE taxes is NOT the problem



:coffee: discuss
Define "run". :popcorn:
I think he meant ruin. :mrgreen:
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Okay you smart asses... :mrgreen:
But tell me you think we have a revenue problem..?
And explain why because I just don't see it
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Chizzang wrote:Okay you smart asses... :mrgreen:
But tell me you think we have a revenue problem..?
And explain why because I just don't see it
We have a revenue problem because we've decided (through representatives of both parties, btw) to provide government at the current level. We've also decided (through representatives of both parties, btw) to not fund government at the current level.
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kalm wrote:
Chizzang wrote:Okay you smart asses... :mrgreen:
But tell me you think we have a revenue problem..?
And explain why because I just don't see it
We have a revenue problem because we've decided (through representatives of both parties, btw) to provide government at the current level. We've also decided (through representatives of both parties, btw) to not fund government at the current level.
We have a spending and priority problem.
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I still don't see the Revenue problem...
I see a whole bunch of problems but not with our Tax Revenue

We have a $671 Billion dollar Pentagon Budget with an estimated WASTE of around 25% to 35% for starters...
We have a $408 billion dollar Welfare budget with similar waste percentages
and on
and on

If I threw 35% percent of my money in the trash can - I'd probably think I needed to make more money...
When in actuality all I needed to do was to stop throwing it in the trash can
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Chizzang wrote:I still don't see the Revenue problem...
I see a whole bunch of problems but not with our Tax Revenue

We have a $671 Billion dollar Pentagon Budget with an estimated WASTE of around 25% to 35% for starters...
We have a $408 billion dollar Welfare budget with similar waste percentages
and on
and on

If I threw 35% percent of my money in the trash can - I'd probably think I needed to make more money...
When in actuality all I needed to do was to stop throwing it in the trash can
but you owe the trash collector.
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