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No he didn't, a Navy SEAL did. :thumb:

(Notice that he DID do one thing right: he didnt' depend on the Army :mrgreen: )
:ohno: Wrong again, as usual, squid boy. The whole mission rode on the Army. Because that's who you call when you need the job done right the first time. :tothehand:


The real work was done by the elite Army unit that flew them in, and out, undetected, and in particular the Army Blackhawk pilot whose quick thinking was credited with being the difference between the success and failure of the mission. :coffee:



Effing Navy pukes spend so much time watching their commercials on TV that they've lost touch with reality. :ohno:
"The real work"... :rofl: :lol: They hardly flew "out" undetected....thanks to the Army pukes not understanding basic aerodynamics. :coffee:

That's funny.
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houndawg wrote:
:ohno: Wrong again, as usual, squid boy. The whole mission rode on the Army. Because that's who you call when you need the job done right the first time. :tothehand:


The real work was done by the elite Army unit that flew them in, and out, undetected, and in particular the Army Blackhawk pilot whose quick thinking was credited with being the difference between the success and failure of the mission. :coffee:



Effing Navy pukes spend so much time watching their commercials on TV that they've lost touch with reality. :ohno:
"The real work"... :rofl: :lol: They hardly flew "out" undetected....thanks to the Army pukes not understanding basic aerodynamics. :coffee:

That's funny.
Very funny, even hilarious, compared to what happened when they used Navy pilots for a hostage rescue mission...

Army pilots: everybody comes back that goes out; Nayy pilots: not so much.... :coffee:
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houndawg wrote:
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"The real work"... :rofl: :lol: They hardly flew "out" undetected....thanks to the Army pukes not understanding basic aerodynamics. :coffee:

That's funny.
Very funny, even hilarious, compared to what happened when they used Navy pilots for a hostage rescue mission...

Army pilots: everybody comes back that goes out; Nayy pilots: not so much.... :coffee:
MASSIVE swing and a miss! :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Those were Marine Corps pilots. :coffee: :kisswink:
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CitadelGrad wrote:
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If Romney picks Condi Rice, I'll vote Romney/Rice. Otherwise, I'm probably voting Gary Johnson. :coffee:
You are the problem, not the solution. I'm a registered Libertarian and know Gary from a business deal that we did back in the day, but I'm not going to vote for him. A vote for Johnson is a vote for Obama. It sucks, but it is what it is.
No, you are part of the problem. A vote for Romney or Obama is a vote for the system, regardless of who wins. It really doesn't matter that much. If you truly think the country is fucked up you would vote third party. :nod:
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You are the problem, not the solution. I'm a registered Libertarian and know Gary from a business deal that we did back in the day, but I'm not going to vote for him. A vote for Johnson is a vote for Obama. It sucks, but it is what it is.
No, you are part of the problem. A vote for Romney or Obama is a vote for the system, regardless of who wins. It really doesn't matter that much. If you truly think the country is fucked up you would vote third party. :nod:
I live in a swing state. Romney will probably win here, but it's close enough that I can't run the risk of contributing to an Obama win here by voting third party. I'm not a Romney or GOP fan, but Obama has to go.
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You are the problem, not the solution. I'm a registered Libertarian and know Gary from a business deal that we did back in the day, but I'm not going to vote for him. A vote for Johnson is a vote for Obama. It sucks, but it is what it is.
No, you are part of the problem. A vote for Romney or Obama is a vote for the system, regardless of who wins. It really doesn't matter that much. If you truly think the country is **** up you would vote third party. :nod:
This is a serious question. Can you name ONE modern (post-1900, for sake of argument) country that has had a viable three-party system? I can't.
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Obama's going to win. I've written before that he is the more telegenic and charismatic candidate. That matters more than any policy position does. Also, to the extent that policy positions matter, Romney is handicapped by having done the health care thing in Massachusetts. Santorum was right, I think, in pointing out during the Republican primaries that a candidate who did what Romney did with health care when he was a governor isn't going to be able to effectively use the health care issue. One somebody says, "You did the same thing" he can try to make fine distinctions all he wants but it won't fly.

I think that policy positions do matter to the majority of voters but the problem is that those voters already have their minds made up. They have a world view that leads them to vote for the Republican candidate or they have one that leads them to vote for the Democratic candidate. The problem is that we have the vaunted people in the "middle' who have no clue as to what direction they want to see the country go in for the long term. They flop back and forth. And I think an awful lot of those people are more influenced by how good somebody looks and sounds than anything else. Advantage Obama.
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kalm wrote:
No, you are part of the problem. A vote for Romney or Obama is a vote for the system, regardless of who wins. It really doesn't matter that much. If you truly think the country is **** up you would vote third party. :nod:
This is a serious question. Can you name ONE modern (post-1900, for sake of argument) country that has had a viable three-party system? I can't.
I can. In a number of parliamentary systems in Europe, third parties such as the Green Party in Germany and the Liberal Party in Britain have played significant roles in forming coalition governments. Even if they are not in a position to win majorities or pluralities, they have been in a position to demand significant concessions from the major parties and have wielded a great deal of influence as coalition partners. Other third parties have played similar roles in Italy, Spain and France.
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JohnStOnge wrote:Obama's going to win. I've written before that he is the more telegenic and charismatic candidate. That matters more than any policy position does. Also, to the extent that policy positions matter, Romney is handicapped by having done the health care thing in Massachusetts. Santorum was right, I think, in pointing out during the Republican primaries that a candidate who did what Romney did with health care when he was a governor isn't going to be able to effectively use the health care issue. One somebody says, "You did the same thing" he can try to make fine distinctions all he wants but it won't fly.

I think that policy positions do matter to the majority of voters but the problem is that those voters already have their minds made up. They have a world view that leads them to vote for the Republican candidate or they have one that leads them to vote for the Democratic candidate. The problem is that we have the vaunted people in the "middle' who have no clue as to what direction they want to see the country go in for the long term. They flop back and forth. And I think an awful lot of those people are more influenced by how good somebody looks and sounds than anything else. Advantage Obama.
I hate to admit it, but I agree with your analysis. Recently most national candidates have been elected by the clueless few without convictions who value appearance over substance. No matter what you believe about the substance of either candidate, Obama looks and sounds better than Romney.
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Wedgebuster wrote:Yes, I am a Republican
Just because you keep saying it doesn't make it true.
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Romney needs to channel his inner Bill Clinton/James Carville - "it's the economy stupid". Don't get hung up on the social issues like abortion. This needs to be about the economy and jobs for Romney to win. :twocents:
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Ivytalk wrote: This is a serious question. Can you name ONE modern (post-1900, for sake of argument) country that has had a viable three-party system? I can't.
I can. In a number of parliamentary systems in Europe, third parties such as the Green Party in Germany and the Liberal Party in Britain have played significant roles in forming coalition governments. Even if they are not in a position to win majorities or pluralities, they have been in a position to demand significant concessions from the major parties and have wielded a great deal of influence as coalition partners. Other third parties have played similar roles in Italy, Spain and France.
Meh. Coalition governments. Is that the best you can come up with? Citing Italy and Spain as sterling examples of a multiparty system undermines your argument. Do you know how many post-WWII elections Italy has had? And the "radical centrist" Liberal Democrats in Britain have never actually formed a government. Nor have the Greens in Germany. We don't have a parliamentary system. Next.
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Ivytalk wrote:
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I can. In a number of parliamentary systems in Europe, third parties such as the Green Party in Germany and the Liberal Party in Britain have played significant roles in forming coalition governments. Even if they are not in a position to win majorities or pluralities, they have been in a position to demand significant concessions from the major parties and have wielded a great deal of influence as coalition partners. Other third parties have played similar roles in Italy, Spain and France.
Meh. Coalition governments. Is that the best you can come up with? Citing Italy and Spain as sterling examples of a multiparty system undermines your argument. Do you know how many post-WWII elections Italy has had? And the "radical centrist" Liberal Democrats in Britain have never actually formed a government. Nor have the Greens in Germany. We don't have a parliamentary system. Next.
I answered the question that you asked.
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CitadelGrad wrote:
Ivytalk wrote: Meh. Coalition governments. Is that the best you can come up with? Citing Italy and Spain as sterling examples of a multiparty system undermines your argument. Do you know how many post-WWII elections Italy has had? And the "radical centrist" Liberal Democrats in Britain have never actually formed a government. Nor have the Greens in Germany. We don't have a parliamentary system. Next.
I answered the question that you asked.
The key word was "viable." The USA itself has had occasional significant third parties since the beginning of the republic, but none have survived over the long haul, and there have been precious few in recent years. Contrast that to third party/"independent" Presidential candidates, most of whom are one-man cults of personality: Ross Perot, George Wallace, John Anderson, Strom Thurmond, maybe Henry Wallace...
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Ivytalk wrote:
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I answered the question that you asked.
The key word was "viable." The USA itself has had occasional significant third parties since the beginning of the republic, but none have survived over the long haul, and there have been precious few in recent years. Contrast that to third party/"independent" Presidential candidates, most of whom are one-man cults of personality: Ross Perot, George Wallace, John Anderson, Strom Thurmond, maybe Henry Wallace...
You asked about modern nations. I pointed out third parties in Britain and Germany. They are not majority parties but they play a significant role in those nations and are clearly viable. They have held a large number of seats in those parliaments for decades.
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Ivytalk wrote:
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I answered the question that you asked.
The key word was "viable." The USA itself has had occasional significant third parties since the beginning of the republic, but none have survived over the long haul, and there have been precious few in recent years. Contrast that to third party/"independent" Presidential candidates, most of whom are one-man cults of personality: Ross Perot, George Wallace, John Anderson, Strom Thurmond, maybe Henry Wallace...
A two party system would be an improvement for us right now. :coffee:
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LeadBolt wrote:
JohnStOnge wrote:Obama's going to win. I've written before that he is the more telegenic and charismatic candidate. That matters more than any policy position does. Also, to the extent that policy positions matter, Romney is handicapped by having done the health care thing in Massachusetts. Santorum was right, I think, in pointing out during the Republican primaries that a candidate who did what Romney did with health care when he was a governor isn't going to be able to effectively use the health care issue. One somebody says, "You did the same thing" he can try to make fine distinctions all he wants but it won't fly.

I think that policy positions do matter to the majority of voters but the problem is that those voters already have their minds made up. They have a world view that leads them to vote for the Republican candidate or they have one that leads them to vote for the Democratic candidate. The problem is that we have the vaunted people in the "middle' who have no clue as to what direction they want to see the country go in for the long term. They flop back and forth. And I think an awful lot of those people are more influenced by how good somebody looks and sounds than anything else. Advantage Obama.
I hate to admit it, but I agree with your analysis. Recently most national candidates have been elected by the clueless few without convictions who value appearance over substance. No matter what you believe about the substance of either candidate, Obama looks and sounds better than Romney.
:roll:

They have been NOMINATED by the majority of involved voters in each party. This typically leaves us with two candidates perfectly willing to play the campaign finance game. The rational and sometimes radical middle is left with no choices but a pair of corporate bots. The rational and radical middle are far and away the most informed voters on the block. They ride the fence because they take a look at the choices each go around and think..."blehg".

I would take my liberal ass vote and gladly send it towards Paul, Gary Johnson, or Buddy Rohmer in a heartbeat if they were viable. But they are not viable because they have the potential to shake up the entrenched power - heaven forbid. :?

It's always about the money and re-election. That is what needs to be changed. :nod:
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89Hen wrote:
Wedgebuster wrote:Yes, I am a Republican
Just because you keep saying it doesn't make it true.
Just because you don't like it doesn't make it false.
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Wedgebuster wrote:
89Hen wrote: Just because you keep saying it doesn't make it true.
Just because you don't like it doesn't make it false.
Careful Wedgie. I've tried to explain how far off the rails the GOP has become. They really don't like that. :ohno:
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kalm wrote:
Wedgebuster wrote:
Just because you don't like it doesn't make it false.
Careful Wedgie. I've tried to explain how far off the rails the GOP has become. They really don't like that. :ohno:

Modern Republicans must walk lock step with their GOP leadership like 89er I guess to be considered real republicans, I do not fit the mold like him, am not nor never will be a Stepford Republican.
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Wedgebuster wrote:
kalm wrote:
Careful Wedgie. I've tried to explain how far off the rails the GOP has become. They really don't like that. :ohno:

Modern Republicans must walk lock step with their GOP leadership like 89er I guess to be considered real republicans, I do not fit the mold like him, am not nor never will be a Stepford Republican.
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

I voted for Al Gore once. That doesn't make me a democrat. :coffee:
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AZGrizFan wrote:
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Modern Republicans must walk lock step with their GOP leadership like 89er I guess to be considered real republicans, I do not fit the mold like him, am not nor never will be a Stepford Republican.
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

I voted for Al Gore once. That doesn't make me a democrat. :coffee:
Nope, just makes you barely north of being an asshole in the eyes of purest Republicans like 89hen.
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Wedgebuster wrote:
AZGrizFan wrote: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

I voted for Al Gore once. That doesn't make me a democrat. :coffee:
Nope, just makes you barely north of being an asshole in the eyes of purest Republicans like 89hen.
He'd probably REALLY dislike me if he knew I vote AGAINST "Amurica's Toughest Shurriff" every time he's up for reelection.
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BlueHen86 wrote:This is 2004 all over again, only with parties reversed. Everything bad that you can say about Obama, dems said about Bush 8 years ago. Yet Bush won, in large part because he had a weak opponent.

Obama is beatable, but I think he wins.
If you were a conspiracy theorist like expandos, the eery similarity of this election to 2004 might make you wonder if it's all not being scripted. :coffee:
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AZGrizFan wrote:
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Very funny, even hilarious, compared to what happened when they used Navy pilots for a hostage rescue mission...

Army pilots: everybody comes back that goes out; Nayy pilots: not so much.... :coffee:
MASSIVE swing and a miss! :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Those were Marine Corps pilots. :coffee: :kisswink:
Those are just squids with their brains beat out. :coffee:
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