Why Obama Will Lose

Post by **AZGrizFan** » Mon Jul 09, 2012 3:55 pm

grizzaholic wrote:
AZGrizFan wrote:
I agree. It's a long uphill battle at this point.
I will vote for Ron Paul again.

I'm contemplating Gary Johnson. I'm kind of warming to the whole "legalization of marijuana" thing.

Post by **grizzaholic** » Mon Jul 09, 2012 3:56 pm

AZGrizFan wrote:
grizzaholic wrote:
I will vote for Ron Paul again.
I'm contemplating Gary Johnson. I'm kind of warming to the whole "legalization of marijuana" thing.

I could care less about legalization of marijuana. I say just do it, tax it, and be done with it.

May I ask who is this Gary Johnson fella? I don't do political TV and read very minimally on anything to do with politics.

Will I like him?

Chizzang · Post by **Chizzang** » Mon Jul 09, 2012 4:01 pm

Imagine if we had somebody worth voting for...?
anywhere - from any party

houndawg · Post by **houndawg** » Mon Jul 09, 2012 4:10 pm

AZGrizFan wrote:
dbackjon wrote:

Not all - just a reason...
Because you sure as hell can't point to something Obama has DONE as a reason he'll win.

He killed Osama.

houndawg · Post by **houndawg** » Mon Jul 09, 2012 4:15 pm

If Obama loses it will be because Romney raised more money. I don't see that happening, not enough billionaires to offset Obama's huge amount of $20.00 donations. Yet.

Post by **BlueHen86** » Mon Jul 09, 2012 4:17 pm

AZGrizFan wrote:
Wedgebuster wrote:Put the two up there side by side in any debate or discussion and Mitt is in serious trouble against the much slicker and more polished Obama.

Throw on the fact that people generally like Obama as a person, but only one out of six polled say they like Mitt as a person.

Lowest percentage voter turnout predicted for the November election due to severe boredom with today's political banter, incumbent wins by landslide, voter apathy out numbers voters who actually voted, over by cocktail hour Pacific Time, now moving closer to Mountain time.

a) There's that "we republicans" comment again. Comical.
b) The "polished" Obama only comes out when speaking from a teleprompter.
c) If there's a lower % turnout, Obama better hope it's not among the extra 5,000,000 African Americans who voted for the first time in '08.

I think Romney will do better than McCain, and Obama will get a lower turnout. This race will be closer than 2008. The two wild cards are the economy and Romney's VP choice.

Post by **kalm** » Mon Jul 09, 2012 4:17 pm

grizzaholic wrote:
AZGrizFan wrote:
I'm contemplating Gary Johnson. I'm kind of warming to the whole "legalization of marijuana" thing.
I could care less about legalization of marijuana. I say just do it, tax it, and be done with it.

May I ask who is this Gary Johnson fella? I don't do political TV and read very minimally on anything to do with politics.

Will I like him?

I think you would. He's similar to Paul on the fiscally conservative/libertarian front, but seems to be far less religulous. He's the kind of Republican that would blow Obama out of the water, but for some reason, a fairly rationale, no bullshit guy like that can't even come close to making it through either party. Also see Buddy Rohmer.

Hmmmmmm

Post by **Ibanez** » Mon Jul 09, 2012 4:22 pm

Chizzang wrote:Imagine if we had somebody worth voting for...?
anywhere - from any party

that persons wouldn't be in politics.

Ha. Good one.

Post by **Ibanez** » Mon Jul 09, 2012 4:22 pm

kalm wrote:
grizzaholic wrote:
I could care less about legalization of marijuana. I say just do it, tax it, and be done with it.

May I ask who is this Gary Johnson fella? I don't do political TV and read very minimally on anything to do with politics.

Will I like him?
I think you would. He's similar to Paul on the fiscally conservative/libertarian front, but seems to be far less religulous. He's the kind of Republican that would blow Obama out of the water, but for some reason, a fairly rationale, no bullshit guy like that can't even come close to making it through either party. Also see Buddy Rohmer.

Hmmmmmm

interesting man.

Ha. Good one.

Post by **grizzaholic** » Mon Jul 09, 2012 4:23 pm

kalm wrote:
grizzaholic wrote:
I could care less about legalization of marijuana. I say just do it, tax it, and be done with it.

May I ask who is this Gary Johnson fella? I don't do political TV and read very minimally on anything to do with politics.

Will I like him?
I think you would. He's similar to Paul on the fiscally conservative/libertarian front, but seems to be far less religulous. He's the kind of Republican that would blow Obama out of the water, but for some reason, a fairly rationale, no bullshit guy like that can't even come close to making it through either party. Also see Buddy Rohmer.

Hmmmmmm

Humm. I might have to use the google function to youtube and then search that guy.

I might also wait until AZ posts, because I cannot be caught listening to an Obama supporter.

Post by **dbackjon** » Mon Jul 09, 2012 4:26 pm

AZGrizFan wrote:
grizzaholic wrote:
I will vote for Ron Paul again.
I'm contemplating Gary Johnson. I'm kind of warming to the whole "legalization of marijuana" thing.

WE ARE A NATION OF MANY PEOPLES and beliefs. The only way to respect all citizens is to allow each to make personal decisions themselves.

Life is precious and must be protected. A woman should be allowed to make her own decisions during pregnancy until the point of viability of a fetus.
Stem cell research should only be completed by private laboratories that operate without federal funding.
Government should not impose its values upon marriage. It should allow marriage equality, including gay marriage. It should also protect the rights of religious organizations to follow their beliefs.

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Post by **AZGrizFan** » Mon Jul 09, 2012 4:42 pm

houndawg wrote:
AZGrizFan wrote:
Because you sure as hell can't point to something Obama has DONE as a reason he'll win.
He killed Osama.

No he didn't, a Navy SEAL did.

(Notice that he DID do one thing right: he didnt' depend on the Army

)

Post by **AZGrizFan** » Mon Jul 09, 2012 4:43 pm

houndawg wrote:If Obama loses it will be because Romney raised more money. I don't see that happening, not enough billionaires to offset Obama's huge amount of $20.00 donations. Yet.

Romney outraised Obama by $30 million in June.

DNC is $27 million in debt and climbing.

Post by **AZGrizFan** » Mon Jul 09, 2012 4:44 pm

BlueHen86 wrote:
AZGrizFan wrote:
a) There's that "we republicans" comment again. Comical.
b) The "polished" Obama only comes out when speaking from a teleprompter.
c) If there's a lower % turnout, Obama better hope it's not among the extra 5,000,000 African Americans who voted for the first time in '08.

I think Romney will do better than McCain, and Obama will get a lower turnout. This race will be closer than 2008. The two wild cards are the economy and Romney's VP choice.

If Romney picks Condi Rice, I'll vote Romney/Rice. Otherwise, I'm probably voting Gary Johnson.

CitadelGrad · Post by **CitadelGrad** » Mon Jul 09, 2012 4:52 pm

AZGrizFan wrote:
BlueHen86 wrote:
I think Romney will do better than McCain, and Obama will get a lower turnout. This race will be closer than 2008. The two wild cards are the economy and Romney's VP choice.
If Romney picks Condi Rice, I'll vote Romney/Rice. Otherwise, I'm probably voting Gary Johnson.

You are the problem, not the solution. I'm a registered Libertarian and know Gary from a business deal that we did back in the day, but I'm not going to vote for him. A vote for Johnson is a vote for Obama. It sucks, but it is what it is.

Post by **AZGrizFan** » Mon Jul 09, 2012 4:54 pm

CitadelGrad wrote:
AZGrizFan wrote:
If Romney picks Condi Rice, I'll vote Romney/Rice. Otherwise, I'm probably voting Gary Johnson.
You are the problem, not the solution. I'm a registered Libertarian and know Gary from a business deal that we did back in the day, but I'm not going to vote for him. A vote for Johnson is a vote for Obama. It sucks, but it is what it is.

Don't care. I'm in AZ, Romney will win AZ with or without my vote. I'm done picking the best turd in the punch bowl. I'm going to vote my conscience....Appaholic has fully converted me.

Post by **Ivytalk** » Mon Jul 09, 2012 5:00 pm

Wedgebuster wrote:
89Hen wrote:
I am counted as a Republican, so I am also a Republican, apparently no different than you. That is unless you can truthfully say, you like Romney.

Counted by whom? Stalin? Dbackjon? Norman Thomas? Henry Wallace? You're fucking killing me, Wedgie!!!

Post by **AZGrizFan** » Mon Jul 09, 2012 5:03 pm

Ivytalk wrote:
Wedgebuster wrote:
I am counted as a Republican, so I am also a Republican, apparently no different than you. That is unless you can truthfully say, you like Romney.

Counted by whom? Stalin? Dbackjon? Norman Thomas? Henry Wallace? You're fucking killing me, Wedgie!!!

Wedgie...

4 days short of 5 solid years of Bush/Republican bashing and Obama/donk dick sucking on this board by him and now trying to pass himself off as a Republican just because he's (allegedly) REGISTERED as one.

Post by **Ivytalk** » Mon Jul 09, 2012 5:08 pm

AZGrizFan wrote:
Ivytalk wrote: Counted by whom? Stalin? Dbackjon? Norman Thomas? Henry Wallace? You're **** killing me, Wedgie!!!
Wedgie... 4 days short of 5 solid years of Bush/Republican bashing and Obama/donk dick sucking on this board by him and now trying to pass himself off as a Republican just because he's REGISTERED as one.

Or so he says...

Post by **AZGrizFan** » Mon Jul 09, 2012 5:09 pm

Ivytalk wrote:
AZGrizFan wrote:
Wedgie... 4 days short of 5 solid years of Bush/Republican bashing and Obama/donk dick sucking on this board by him and now trying to pass himself off as a Republican just because he's REGISTERED as one.
Or so he says...

Truth...I edited my post to reflect that...

YoUDeeMan · Post by **YoUDeeMan** » Mon Jul 09, 2012 5:35 pm

Wedgie is a registered ass.

Post by **Grizo406** » Mon Jul 09, 2012 5:47 pm

AZGrizFan wrote:
houndawg wrote:
He killed Osama.
No he didn't, a Navy SEAL did.

(Notice that he DID do one thing right: he didnt' depend on the Army )

Thank you for typing "SEAL" the correct way!

houndawg · Post by **houndawg** » Mon Jul 09, 2012 5:55 pm

AZGrizFan wrote:
houndawg wrote:
He killed Osama.
No he didn't, a Navy SEAL did.

(Notice that he DID do one thing right: he didnt' depend on the Army )

Wrong again, as usual, squid boy. The whole mission rode on the Army. Because that's who you call when you need the job done right the first time.

The real work was done by the elite Army unit that flew them in, and out, undetected, and in particular the Army Blackhawk pilot whose quick thinking was credited with being the difference between the success and failure of the mission.

Effing Navy pukes spend so much time watching their commercials on TV that they've lost touch with reality.

SuperHornet · Post by **SuperHornet** » Mon Jul 09, 2012 6:15 pm

dbackjon wrote: Affordable Healthcare that will end up saving the nation Billions.
Repeal Don't Ask Don't Tell
Stopped the economic slide into oblivion that Bush and his party started.

1. That remains to be seen. I've seen numbers that say ObamaCare will jack up the deficit to unimaginable proportions.

2. Yes, he did that.

3. Bush didn't start the mess. Reid and Frank did. Before Bush even took office.

One out of three. That works in baseball, but not in national level politics....

Post by **DSUrocks07** » Mon Jul 09, 2012 6:25 pm

CitadelGrad wrote:
AZGrizFan wrote:
If Romney picks Condi Rice, I'll vote Romney/Rice. Otherwise, I'm probably voting Gary Johnson.
You are the problem, not the solution. I'm a registered Libertarian and know Gary from a business deal that we did back in the day, but I'm not going to vote for him. A vote for Johnson is a vote for Obama. It sucks, but it is what it is.

Only if you live in six or seven states. The Electoral College system negates any consequence of voting for a third party. My vote doesn't matter here in DE. Obama will win the state by double digits regardless.

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