Smartest Conk in the Room

[BDKJMU]

The answer is because the Republican Party has REGRESSED on Social Issues

Like what?

[BDKJMU]

I will repeat. Reagan cut the top marginal rate and cut corporate taxes. He also raised various taxes 11 times.

Link?

[kalm]

1) Reagan era deregulation enabled the S&L crisis. The philosophy of Reaganomics contributed heavily to Clinton era deregulation both of which led to banking crises including the current **** storm of trouble which we're not out of yet. Oh, and in case you haven't noticed, the current administration has done very little to fix the fundamentals - a further continuance of the Reagan Legacy which assumes the banksters and the FED really know what's best.

2) Patently bullshit on what FDR was trying to do. Your projecting your own beliefs on to that one. FDR recognized the need for economic parity and justice. Some of his ideas are problematic, but he also created an infrastructure that private industry is benefitting from to this day.

On 1): Do you think investment should be devoid of risk? Do you think that's possible?

On 2) Again: FDR was critical in establishing the premise in the minds of the American People that the national government should be doing things to insure each individual's well being. I'm sure private industry at times benefits from some of the things he started. But the underlying reality is that the entitlement mentality he fostered is responsible for a slow, consistent, degradation. The nation cannot sustain it. No nation can.

You can not tell people that they are going to be taken care of regardless of the circumstances then expect that all people are going to continue to do their best to make their own way. And we have reached a point in this country where the majority of the people are net drains on the system.

It sounds really nice and warm and fuzzy to say government is going to make sure everyone has what they minimally need. But it doesn't work.

1) Of course not.

2)"In our personal ambitions we are individualists. But in our seeking for economic and political progress as a nation, we all go up or else all go down as one people."

"Let us never forget that government is ourselves and not an alien power over us. The ultimate rulers of our democracy are not a President and senators and congressmen and government officials, but the voters of this country."

-Franlin Delano Roosevelt

Again, I think you're simply projecting your narrow minded focus that we are a "me" society on the discussion. FDR was elected 4 times to office. I know that has got to floor you, but it wasn't just FDR dictating his ideas on the populace, the PEOPLE chose his path time and again.

BTW, I'd like to see a study supporting your notion that a majority of people are net drains on the system. That has got to be some truly clever economics.

[Chizzang]

The answer is because the Republican Party has REGRESSED on Social Issues

Like what?

Wow...
Have you bee asleep for 40 years..?
So you honestly can't think of a thing, here I'll throw a couple out there
Somehow regular old science has become an enemy of the founding principals of this country / Clean Air Clean Water / Evolution / Photovoltaic studies / solar power and alternative energy are seen as enemies...

You know what - who fucking cares actually
Gay Rights / Abortion Rights / Seriously who gives a shit BDKJMU you're right nothing has changed everything is fine
I take it back, my mistake

[OL FU]

I will repeat on your Reagan comment, you are lost in the trees.

Ahhh, those pesky inconvenient facts.

Is it oak or pine

[kalm]

Ahhh, those pesky inconvenient facts.

Is it oak or pine

Doug Fir, redwood, hemlock...full WCB!

[YoUDeeMan]

Wait...
So you're saying that Obama isn't a Muslim..?
I did NOT know that

Secondly everybody knows in a general sense (globally the world wide) about Christianity - it's common knowledge.
Very few people in comparison know about the cult sect of Christianity called Mormonism / LDS & FLDS

Do you think a Scientologist could get elected president..?
Let me put it more like this - if a liberal scientologist were running that is THE ONLY THING Republicans would be talking about ... And Scientology ain't got shit on Mormonism in the CRAZY department

Thirdly: this is about Goldwater Republicans = Republicans that actually agree with Government staying OUT of citizens lives BOTH Socially and Fiscally... but unfortunately today we get neither

Who cares if Obama is a Muslin? Or should you do a write up about that?

Secondly, you have been focused exclusively on Romney's religion and not Obama's. And you explain your behavior by basically saying you are attacking Romney's belief in the Jersey Devil instead of Obama's belief in the Easter Bunny. Solid ground, indeed, Cleets.

Thirdly, if this is about the "unfortunate" issue of politicians (I corrected your Republican slant to include all politicians...it screamed of hypocrisy) staying out of people's social and fiscal lives, then you should be ranting about Obamacare and the rest of our socialized programs.

But you're not.

You're ranting about the idiocy of one person's religion...a Republican's...while ignoring that which lies right in front of your nose. Convenient, huh?

[BDKJMU]

Like what?

Wow...
Have you bee asleep for 40 years..?
So you honestly can't think of a thing, here I'll throw a couple out there
Somehow regular old science has become an enemy of the founding principals of this country / Clean Air Clean Water / Evolution / Photovoltaic studies / solar power and alternative energy are seen as enemies...

You know what - who **** cares actually
Gay Rights / Abortion Rights / Seriously who gives a **** BDKJMU you're right nothing has changed everything is fine
I take it back, my mistake

The Republicans haven't regressed on those issues. Staying the same or failing to evolve like you think they should doesn't = regressing.

[kalm]

Wow...
Have you bee asleep for 40 years..?
So you honestly can't think of a thing, here I'll throw a couple out there
Somehow regular old science has become an enemy of the founding principals of this country / Clean Air Clean Water / Evolution / Photovoltaic studies / solar power and alternative energy are seen as enemies...

You know what - who **** cares actually
Gay Rights / Abortion Rights / Seriously who gives a **** BDKJMU you're right nothing has changed everything is fine
I take it back, my mistake

The Republicans haven't regressed on those issues. Staying the same or failing to evolve like you think they should doesn't = regressing.

Failing to evolve with social mores is regressing

[dbackjon]

Wow...
Have you bee asleep for 40 years..?
So you honestly can't think of a thing, here I'll throw a couple out there
Somehow regular old science has become an enemy of the founding principals of this country / Clean Air Clean Water / Evolution / Photovoltaic studies / solar power and alternative energy are seen as enemies...

You know what - who **** cares actually
Gay Rights / Abortion Rights / Seriously who gives a **** BDKJMU you're right nothing has changed everything is fine
I take it back, my mistake

The Republicans haven't regressed on those issues. Staying the same or failing to evolve like you think they should doesn't = regressing.

you have regressed. Soon, you will be cavemen.

Nixon passed the EPA - now all Republicans despise any environmental protection.
Barry Goldwater was pro-choice. Now, to get elected, a Republican must be rabidly anti-abortion. If the current trend of the party continues, you will see anti-masturbation laws soon.


Just two easy examples

[HI54UNI]

The Republicans haven't regressed on those issues. Staying the same or failing to evolve like you think they should doesn't = regressing.

you have regressed. Soon, you will be cavemen.

Nixon passed the EPA - now all Republicans despise any environmental protection.
Barry Goldwater was pro-choice. Now, to get elected, a Republican must be rabidly anti-abortion. If the current trend of the party continues, you will see anti-masturbation laws soon.


Just two easy examples

Holy shit! That rivals Cappy's generalizations!

[Chizzang]

Wait...
So you're saying that Obama isn't a Muslim..?
I did NOT know that

Secondly everybody knows in a general sense (globally the world wide) about Christianity - it's common knowledge.
Very few people in comparison know about the cult sect of Christianity called Mormonism / LDS & FLDS

Do you think a Scientologist could get elected president..?
Let me put it more like this - if a liberal scientologist were running that is THE ONLY THING Republicans would be talking about ... And Scientology ain't got shit on Mormonism in the CRAZY department

Thirdly: this is about Goldwater Republicans = Republicans that actually agree with Government staying OUT of citizens lives BOTH Socially and Fiscally... but unfortunately today we get neither

Who cares if Obama is a Muslin? Or should you do a write up about that?

Secondly, you have been focused exclusively on Romney's religion and not Obama's. And you explain your behavior by basically saying you are attacking Romney's belief in the Jersey Devil instead of Obama's belief in the Easter Bunny. Solid ground, indeed, Cleets.

Thirdly, if this is about the "unfortunate" issue of politicians (I corrected your Republican slant to include all politicians...it screamed of hypocrisy) staying out of people's social and fiscal lives, then you should be ranting about Obamacare and the rest of our socialized programs.

But you're not.

You're ranting about the idiocy of one person's religion...a Republican's...while ignoring that which lies right in front of your nose. Convenient, huh?

Attention: CLUCKSter
As I have said more than once - if there was a Goldwater Republican running for ANY office
I would VOTE REPUBLICAN

if the Party today wasn't Anti-Abortion
I would vote Republican if they were not Anti-Science
I would Vote Republican if they we're ANTI-Gay

If the Republican Party pulled it's head out of it's ass it would NEVER lose an election (ever)
Just be what it claims to be - Less government and out of peoples social lives

So I'm stuck with the socially relevant Democrats
who are Fucking retarded other than social issues - as we've seen over and over

[BDKJMU]

The Republicans haven't regressed on those issues. Staying the same or failing to evolve like you think they should doesn't = regressing.

Failing to evolve with LIBERAL social mores is regressing

FIFY

[BDKJMU]

The Republicans haven't regressed on those issues. Staying the same or failing to evolve like you think they should doesn't = regressing.

you have regressed. Soon, you will be cavemen.

Nixon passed the EPA - now all Republicans despise any environmental protection.
Barry Goldwater was pro-choice. Now, to get elected, a Republican must be rabidly anti-abortion. If the current trend of the party continues, you will see anti-masturbation laws soon.


Just two easy examples

Your usual complete BS hyperbole.

[kalm]

Failing to evolve with LIBERAL social mores is regressing

FIFY

Well, a majority of Americans support gay rights, freedom of and from religion, and economic justice so I guess you're right.

[BDKJMU]

FIFY

Well, a majority of Americans support gay rights, freedom of and from religion, and economic justice so I guess you're right.

And a majority of voters support keeping marriage between a man and a woman and freedom of religion. And yes, almost everyone in this country, including republicans, support economic freedom. Bet if you polled "do you support economic freedom" you'd get in the yes in the high 90s.

[JohnStOnge]

Somehow regular old science has become an enemy of the founding principals of this country / Clean Air Clean Water / Evolution / Photovoltaic studies / solar power and alternative energy are seen as enemies...

You know what - who **** cares actually
Gay Rights / Abortion Rights /

The Republican Party is not hostile to science. A lot of times the question is one of what to do with what science tells us. Sometimes it's skepticism about what the majority of scientists say. Main one there is global warming. I do not think the Republican Party has taken a position against the theory of evolution. Rather, I think they've taken the position that the theory of evolution not be employed as some kind of dogma where opposing voices must be silenced.

On the "Clean Air and Clean Water thing, the controversy is often about the balance to be struck. And the science involved is often imperfect. Plus we run into the preservationist mentality. A lot of what drives environmentalism is not making decisions about what is best for us. It's about the philosophical belief that the ideal is the planet as it would be without us here. Trying to preserve things as they are (as though that would even be possible even if we weren't here).

Homosexual rights? That's an interesting one. But saying that homosexual unions shouldn't be recognized as marriages is no more a denial of rights than saying that unions involving more than two people shouldn't be recognized as marriages. Marriage is not a "right." It is a recognition. It involves other peoples' perceptions and recognitions. And nobody has a right to have other people perceive them in any particular way.

Abortion...well...that involves the intentional termination of a living member of our species. Certainly a lot of basis for being opposed to that.

[JohnStOnge]

...freedom of and from religion...

I don't have the polling data but my bet would be the majority think the Separation of Church and State thing has been taken too far. I hate even using the term since it's not in the Constitution. But that's the term used.

I'd bet that if you were to do a poll to find out if...say...the majority of Americans favored having the Federal government tell a local community that they can't have a prayer read over their PA system prior to a high school football game the majority would say "no." And I think it would be a fairly strong majority.

I even think that an overwhelming majority would say that prayer should be allowed in public schools.

I suspect the majorities would be even stronger if you could sit down with the and take them through the language of the First Amendment to see what it actually says, and point out that all it does is prohibit the Congress of the United States from making a law with respect to the establishment of religion. Nothing at all about a broad "Separation of Church and State."

On this issue, thanks to the Judiciary, what we now have in the United States is a tyranny of the minority.

[JohnStOnge]

I went ahead and Googled the prayer in public school thing after I made my last post. And here it is:

http://www.christianpost.com/news/surve ... ols-48969/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Sixty five percent of American adults favor prayer in public schools, according to a new survey.

And only 24 percent of U.S. adults say they are opposed to prayer in schools, finds the Rasmussen Reports survey released Friday.

As I said: The tyranny of the minority. 24 percent of the people get their way even though it's obvious that interpreting the Constitution to say prayer is not allowed in public schools is utter nonsense. But we are not governed by the Constitution. We are governed by an oligarchy of Justices who can say the Constitution says anything they want it to say.

[Tod]

I went ahead and Googled the prayer in public school thing after I made my last post. And here it is:

http://www.christianpost.com/news/surve ... ols-48969/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Sixty five percent of American adults favor prayer in public schools, according to a new survey.

And only 24 percent of U.S. adults say they are opposed to prayer in schools, finds the Rasmussen Reports survey released Friday.

As I said: The tyranny of the minority. 24 percent of the people get their way even though it's obvious that interpreting the Constitution to say prayer is not allowed in public schools is utter nonsense. But we are not governed by the Constitution. We are governed by an oligarchy of Justices who can say the Constitution says anything they want it to say.

You Googled and happened to come upon Rasmussen? How convenient.

[houndawg]

This says it all about Ronald Reagan (only 10 seconds).

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ixNPplo-SU[/youtube]

Do you people SERIOUSLY believe the Tea Party would have had a problem...overall..with him. Sure, people can cherry pick and look at things he did as a matter of political reality. But there's no question as to where his heart was. He'd be FINE in today's Republican Party.

Of course he would; conks don't have a thing against govt. spending as long as it goes to the military.

[houndawg]

I went ahead and Googled the prayer in public school thing after I made my last post. And here it is:

http://www.christianpost.com/news/surve ... ols-48969/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Sixty five percent of American adults favor prayer in public schools, according to a new survey.

And only 24 percent of U.S. adults say they are opposed to prayer in schools, finds the Rasmussen Reports survey released Friday.

As I said: The tyranny of the minority. 24 percent of the people get their way even though it's obvious that interpreting the Constitution to say prayer is not allowed in public schools is utter nonsense. But we are not governed by the Constitution. We are governed by an oligarchy of Justices who can say the Constitution says anything they want it to say.

This same crowd would pee theyselves if non-christian religions demanded equal time for their prayers.

The Santerians would want a chicken cut daily.

[houndawg]

is like saying "foxiest chick at the leper colony"...

[YoUDeeMan]

Attention: CLUCKSter
As I have said more than once - if there was a Goldwater Republican running for ANY office
I would VOTE REPUBLICAN

if the Party today wasn't Anti-Abortion
I would vote Republican if they were not Anti-Science
I would Vote Republican if they we're ANTI-Gay

If the Republican Party pulled it's head out of it's ass it would NEVER lose an election (ever)
Just be what it claims to be - Less government and out of peoples social lives

So I'm stuck with the socially relevant Democrats
who are Fucking retarded other than social issues - as we've seen over and over

You put forth a couple of cogent thoughts...I knew you could do it.

Except that a lot of people want a big government...and someone else to pay for it.

[AZGrizFan]

Attention: CLUCKSter
As I have said more than once - if there was a Goldwater Republican running for ANY office
I would VOTE REPUBLICAN

if the Party today wasn't Anti-Abortion
I would vote Republican if they were not Anti-Science
I would Vote Republican if they we're ANTI-Gay

If the Republican Party pulled it's head out of it's ass it would NEVER lose an election (ever)
Just be what it claims to be - Less government and out of peoples social lives

So I'm stuck with the socially relevant Democrats
who are Fucking retarded other than social issues - as we've seen over and over

So, you'd rather put retards in office that will spend us into oblivion and literally give away the farm than someone who might offend your sensitive side? When have you ever seen a party's 'social' agenda become federal law (particularly a CONSERVATIVE social agenda)...we have been moving (governmentally speaking) to the left consistently for the past 100 years...worrying about the social aspect of government is like fiddling while Rome burns...we can go down in flames as a country proudly claiming "well, we may be done as a country, but by God at least we didn't let them pray in school!!!"

Seriously, the short-sightedness of that mindset is truly frightening.