Should UM move up if they can?

[BigSkyBears]

Again with that weak smack? No one in California knows any of the schools in the BSC, therefore no one is interested in seeing Montucky etc play. People in CA, NV, and OR could care less about the BSC.

How is that smack?

No-one in Missoula or Bozeman knows who Sac State, or UC-Davis, or Southern Utah is. But the games sell because of A) the product on the field, and B) because we don't have BCS teams next door who control our "market." The Big Sky learned this with Northern Colorado, and Portland, and Eastern, and Sac. Just because the team is located in or near a metropolitan/large city doesn't mean they bring that market.

I'm not disputing 100% of what you're saying, but we did bring Altitude TV. Our exposure in the Denver market and around the state have improved. Most of it has to do with our basketball team, but none the less it has helped. Once the football team starts winning (this season) it will only grow. The state will always focus on CU and CSU and somewhat Air Force though.

[AZGrizFan]

Once the football team starts winning (this season) it will only grow. The state will always focus on CU and CSU and somewhat Air Force though.

I'm not trying to be a dick, and I would agree that UNC is headed in the right direction, but in the 4 seasons under Downing the Bears are:

1-10
1-11
1-10
3-8...and those three wins were against non-scholly USD, Idaho State and transitional I-AA South Dakota.

You'll excuse me if that doesn't exactly breed confidence that UNC will suddenly become a "winning" team. In fact, I'm going to put the over/under for UNC at FOUR wins this year.

[BigSkyBears]

Once the football team starts winning (this season) it will only grow. The state will always focus on CU and CSU and somewhat Air Force though.

I'm not trying to be a dick, and I would agree that UNC is headed in the right direction, but in the 4 seasons under Downing the Bears are:

1-10
1-11
1-10
3-8...and those three wins were against non-scholly USD, Idaho State and transitional I-AA South Dakota.

You'll excuse me if that doesn't exactly breed confidence that UNC will suddenly become a "winning" team. In fact, I'm going to put the over/under for UNC at FOUR wins this year.

Just look at the games we've lost by a TD or less the past couple seasons. It's an unfair amount. We're not that fare from being really competitive in the league.

[grizzaholic]

I'm not trying to be a dick, and I would agree that UNC is headed in the right direction, but in the 4 seasons under Downing the Bears are:

1-10
1-11
1-10
3-8...and those three wins were against non-scholly USD, Idaho State and transitional I-AA South Dakota.

You'll excuse me if that doesn't exactly breed confidence that UNC will suddenly become a "winning" team. In fact, I'm going to put the over/under for UNC at FOUR wins this year.

Just look at the games we've lost by a TD or less the past couple seasons. It's an unfair amount. We're not that fare from being really competitive in the league.

So with that logic the number of games that the Griz have won in the past 5 years in the 4th quarter or even the last 2 minutes is unfair? Or is that just what winners do, WIN and do everything right when it is necessary?

[BigSkyBears]

Just look at the games we've lost by a TD or less the past couple seasons. It's an unfair amount. We're not that fare from being really competitive in the league.

So with that logic the number of games that the Griz have won in the past 5 years in the 4th quarter or even the last 2 minutes is unfair? Or is that just what winners do, WIN and do everything right when it is necessary?

I just think we're better than our record says. Maybe UM is too?

[Ursus A. Horribilis]

I'm not trying to be a dick, and I would agree that UNC is headed in the right direction, but in the 4 seasons under Downing the Bears are:

1-10
1-11
1-10
3-8...and those three wins were against non-scholly USD, Idaho State and transitional I-AA South Dakota.

You'll excuse me if that doesn't exactly breed confidence that UNC will suddenly become a "winning" team. In fact, I'm going to put the over/under for UNC at FOUR wins this year.

Just look at the games we've lost by a TD or less the past couple seasons. It's an unfair amount. We're not that fare from being really competitive in the league.

I have noticed that and I agree with this if they can start finding that little extra edge they need to finish. They have played some good teams like Weber right to the final minute and then crumbled. If they can stop that then there record will improve and if they start to believe then they could be close but it could also go backwards.

I completely understand why a UNC fan could believe that it will happen cuz they've been so close the last couple years.

[Ursus A. Horribilis]

So with that logic the number of games that the Griz have won in the past 5 years in the 4th quarter or even the last 2 minutes is unfair? Or is that just what winners do, WIN and do everything right when it is necessary?

I just think we're better than our record says. Maybe UM is too?

If you were to look at the number of games that UM has lost by less than a TD in the biggest games and the playoffs it would stagger you that we could have been better. There are more big games lost by 1,2,3 or 4 points than there are big games won by that margin.

[grizzaholic]

I just think we're better than our record says. Maybe UM is too?

If you were to look at the number of games that UM has lost by less than a TD in the biggest games and the playoffs it would stagger you that we could have been better. There are more big games lost by 1,2,3 or 4 points than there are big games won by that margin.

I might as well do it before some ass hole Delaware fan does.



*cough* 49-48 *cough**cough*

[Jibjab]

Once the football team starts winning (this season) it will only grow. The state will always focus on CU and CSU and somewhat Air Force though.

I'm not trying to be a dick, and I would agree that UNC is headed in the right direction, but in the 4 seasons under Downing the Bears are:

1-10
1-11
1-10
3-8...and those three wins were against non-scholly USD, Idaho State and transitional I-AA South Dakota.

You'll excuse me if that doesn't exactly breed confidence that UNC will suddenly become a "winning" team. In fact, I'm going to put the over/under for UNC at FOUR wins this year.

I understand where you're coming but thats from a numbers stand point. Myself and other UNC fans have actually seen the improvement over the last two years. Even though UNC's records for the last few years doesn't speak for that. The first 2 years, ya those were some bad teams, probably the worst UNC football teams I've ever seen. Our D2 national championship teams could've beat them by 20.

Again I get how our records in the past years speak for itself and doesn't promote a lot optimism. But as fan we are always going to be optimistic at the start of a new season. We're starting to get things in place, new facilities, coaches, and getting better with the talent that's being brought in. I'm not saying we're going to be in contention for a big sky title, and who knows if we ever will be, but I think this should be a good year for UNC football. At least I hope.

[AZGrizFan]

I'm not trying to be a dick, and I would agree that UNC is headed in the right direction, but in the 4 seasons under Downing the Bears are:

1-10
1-11
1-10
3-8...and those three wins were against non-scholly USD, Idaho State and transitional I-AA South Dakota.

You'll excuse me if that doesn't exactly breed confidence that UNC will suddenly become a "winning" team. In fact, I'm going to put the over/under for UNC at FOUR wins this year.

I understand where you're coming but thats from a numbers stand point. Myself and other UNC fans have actually seen the improvement over the last two years. Even though UNC's records for the last few years doesn't speak for that. The first 2 years, ya those were some bad teams, probably the worst UNC football teams I've ever seen. Our D2 national championship teams could've beat them by 20.

Again I get how our records in the past years speak for itself and doesn't promote a lot optimism. But as fan we are always going to be optimistic at the start of a new season. We're starting to get things in place, new facilities, coaches, and getting better with the talent that's being brought in. I'm not saying we're going to be in contention for a big sky title, and who knows if we ever will be, but I think this should be a good year for UNC football. At least I hope.

Relatively speaking, I would agree with you. And I would also agree that, for a better percentage of their games last year UNC was at least competitive. Don't sue me if I choose to withhold judgement until I actually see it translate to wins on the field.

[S F State Gaters]

FBS conferences are asking themselves what's best for themselves... not sure if Montana fits anybody's profile. WAC doesn't need to be more spread out

[Ursus A. Horribilis]

You also take a list of bad teams from a multiple year period and want to act like that's the list? You're a pathetic mother fucker dude and I realize it don't mean shit to you but you will be able to do that if we go to that shithole WAC conference as well. God damn I hope that conference folds soon.

Really? ISU? UNC? Sac State? SUU? Have those teams EVER been good? I take bad teams from a multiple year period BECAUSE THEY'RE BAD TEAMS YEAR IN AND YEAR OUT. Pull your head even remotely out of your ASS and you'd see that.

Oh, and the conference that's gonna fold is the BSC....just as soon as the WAC takes PSU & Sac State...either that or it becomes even MORE watered down by replacing those two doormats with even WORSE doormats in SUU and Central Washington. And when the WAC ALSO takes UC-Davis and/or Cal Poly there will literally be NOONE left for us to play out west EXCEPT the Fort Lewis's and Western States of the world.

Congratulations, you'll get your wish. 14-0 every year and a loss in the playoffs. But hey, at least it'll be a home game, right?

Just taking a little stroll down memory lane.

OH JEEEEEEEZUS! LOOK WHAT I JUST HAPPENED UPON!

http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootbal ... ts-a-shame" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Sorry AZ, I had to rub some salt in the wound.

[dbackjon]

[AZGrizFan]

Really? ISU? UNC? Sac State? SUU? Have those teams EVER been good? I take bad teams from a multiple year period BECAUSE THEY'RE BAD TEAMS YEAR IN AND YEAR OUT. Pull your head even remotely out of your ASS and you'd see that.

Oh, and the conference that's gonna fold is the BSC....just as soon as the WAC takes PSU & Sac State...either that or it becomes even MORE watered down by replacing those two doormats with even WORSE doormats in SUU and Central Washington. And when the WAC ALSO takes UC-Davis and/or Cal Poly there will literally be NOONE left for us to play out west EXCEPT the Fort Lewis's and Western States of the world.

Congratulations, you'll get your wish. 14-0 every year and a loss in the playoffs. But hey, at least it'll be a home game, right?

Just taking a little stroll down memory lane.

OH JEEEEEEEZUS! LOOK WHAT I JUST HAPPENED UPON!

http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootbal ... ts-a-shame" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Sorry AZ, I had to rub some salt in the wound.

I only started reading on the last page and thought you were gonna bury the Bears posters for thinking their team was magically going to be "good" beginning in 2010.

Fucker.

[Ursus A. Horribilis]

Just taking a little stroll down memory lane.

OH JEEEEEEEZUS! LOOK WHAT I JUST HAPPENED UPON!

http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootbal ... ts-a-shame" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Sorry AZ, I had to rub some salt in the wound.

I only started reading on the last page and thought you were gonna bury the Bears posters for thinking their team was magically going to be "good" beginning in 2010.

Fucker.

I know buddy.

[AZGrizFan]

I only started reading on the last page and thought you were gonna bury the Bears posters for thinking their team was magically going to be "good" beginning in 2010.

Fucker.

I know buddy.

Hey, at least I was right about UNC.

I know, I really went out on a limb on that one...

[Fresno St. Alum]

Montana fans shouldn't be mad. If the MWC goes to 12 we have 4 to choose from. We'd need 1 w/ baseball figuring that AFA or Fresno ends up in the BE.

AFA replaced by

#1 Texas St.(gets us in Tx and has good baseball, can't be worse than Idaho or NMSU)
#2 MONTANA(has the next best profile and has a nice stadium WITH FANS IN IT!)
#3 Idaho(has an airplane hanger)? NMSU(has baseball, decent bball, UNM would block)? does it matter?

[SDHornet]

Montana fans shouldn't be mad. If the MWC goes to 12 we have 4 to choose from. We'd need 1 w/ baseball figuring that AFA or Fresno ends up in the BE.

AFA replaced by

#1 Texas St.(gets us in Tx and has good baseball, can't be worse than Idaho or NMSU)
#2 MONTANA(has the next best profile and has a nice stadium WITH FANS IN IT!)
#3 Idaho(has an airplane hanger)? NMSU(has baseball, decent bball, UNM would block)? does it matter?

If baseball is a need for MWC and they are looking for teams who have that then scratch UM off the list. I thought the MWC was looking to raid a few CUSA teams to make up the 12? And have they publicly said they want to go 12?

[Wildcat Ryan]

Montana fans shouldn't be mad. If the MWC goes to 12 we have 4 to choose from. We'd need 1 w/ baseball figuring that AFA or Fresno ends up in the BE.

AFA replaced by

#1 Texas St.(gets us in Tx and has good baseball, can't be worse than Idaho or NMSU)
#2 MONTANA(has the next best profile and has a nice stadium WITH FANS IN IT!)
#3 Idaho(has an airplane hanger)? NMSU(has baseball, decent bball, UNM would block)? does it matter?

If baseball is a need for MWC and they are looking for teams who have that then scratch UM off the list. I thought the MWC was looking to raid a few CUSA teams to make up the 12? And have they publicly said they want to go 12?

I think the Mtn West is holding out for Boise and San Diego State to come back for member 11 and 12

[AZGrizFan]

If baseball is a need for MWC and they are looking for teams who have that then scratch UM off the list. I thought the MWC was looking to raid a few CUSA teams to make up the 12? And have they publicly said they want to go 12?

I think the Mtn West is holding out for Boise and San Diego State to come back for member 11 and 12

And why WOULDN'T they given the proposed structure of the BCS playoff? 4-teams....Pac-12, Big-12, Big-10, SEC. Hmmm...coincidence? I think not....

[Fresno St. Alum]

Montana fans shouldn't be mad. If the MWC goes to 12 we have 4 to choose from. We'd need 1 w/ baseball figuring that AFA or Fresno ends up in the BE.

AFA replaced by

#1 Texas St.(gets us in Tx and has good baseball, can't be worse than Idaho or NMSU)
#2 MONTANA(has the next best profile and has a nice stadium WITH FANS IN IT!)
#3 Idaho(has an airplane hanger)? NMSU(has baseball, decent bball, UNM would block)? does it matter?

If baseball is a need for MWC and they are looking for teams who have that then scratch UM off the list. I thought the MWC was looking to raid a few CUSA teams to make up the 12? And have they publicly said they want to go 12?

We only would need 1 w/ baseball if AFA or Fresno leaves. Texas St. can cover that.

[rebla 49er]

I think the Mtn West is holding out for Boise and San Diego State to come back for member 11 and 12

And why WOULDN'T they given the proposed structure of the BCS playoff? 4-teams....Pac-12, Big-12, Big-10, SEC. Hmmm...coincidence? I think not....

What happens to ACC?

[AZGrizFan]

And why WOULDN'T they given the proposed structure of the BCS playoff? 4-teams....Pac-12, Big-12, Big-10, SEC. Hmmm...coincidence? I think not....

What happens to ACC?

They suck, as usual.

[SUUTbird]

Really dont understand why they would make it a 4 team playoff, make it 8 and rack in more $$, @ least it would give the teams from another conference a shot .

[SDHornet]

Really dont understand why they would make it a 4 team playoff, make it 8 and rack in more $$, @ least it would give the teams from another conference a shot .

From what I’ve heard there are still a lot of things to resolve with the 4 team playoff structure. The Bowls are tying to get a hold of hosting the semi-finals which means a lot of that potential revenue will be siphoned off by some bowl executive somewhere and not go to the NCAA for distribution to its members. If that does happen this thing will be stuck at 4 for a while.

If they are smart enough to let the top 2 seeds on the 4 teams host the semi-final on campus, then I think everyone will realize the financial bonanza a playoff is and expand it further sooner rather than later.

Determining how those 4 teams will be selected is still to be determined so there is a lot up in the air right now. A selection committee should be formed to select the top 4 teams based on things like record, strength of schedule, and other metric in determining who deserves to be included. However there is also push to include only conference champions (B10, Pac12, SEC, B12 would probably be the top 4 conferences). The conference champions idea seems fair but that doesn’t mean the 4 best teams will be included in the playoff.

About the only thing that looks set is the championship will be bid out to everyone regardless if it is a bowl or not so places like Indianapolis and Detroit could very well be a hosting site.