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This is just priceless:
New research finds that wind farms actually warm up the surface of the land underneath them during the night, a phenomenon that could put a damper on efforts to expand wind energy as a green energy solution.

Researchers used satellite data from 2003 to 2011 to examine surface temperatures across as wide swath of west Texas, which has built four of the world's largest wind farms. The data showed a direct correlation between night-time temperatures increases of 0.72 degrees C (1.3 degrees F) and the placement of the farms.

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And as it turns out, green energy could be partially responsible for the massive drought being experienced by Texas:
But Zhou and his colleagues found that turbulence behind the wind turbine blades stirs up a layer of cooler air that usually settles on the ground at night, and mixes in warm air that is on top.

That layering effect is usually reversed during the daytime, with warm air on the surface and cooler air higher up."The year-to-year land surface temperature over wind farms shows a persistent upward trend from 2003 to 2011, consistent with the increasing number of operational wind turbines with time," Zhou said.

FAA data shows that the number of wind turbines over the study region has risen from 111 in 2003 to 2358 in 2011, according to the study.The warming could hurt local farmers, who have already suffered through a killer drought over the past few years. Texas agriculture contributes $80 billion to the state's economy, second only to petrochemicals, according to the Texas Department of Agriculture.

West Texas is a dry area that uses irrigation to grow wheat, cotton and other crops, as well as raise cattle. But increased warming can play havoc with plant growth, as well as change local rainfall patterns.
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Gentlemen, I'll take this one... :coffee:
Scientific studies are misrepresented all the time. But now and again the distortions get particularly bad. That was the case Monday, when Fox News ran the headline, “New Research Shows Wind Farms Cause Global Warming.” A number of other media outlets did the same thing. And it’s... not true at all.

(George Frey/Bloomberg) The frenzy started after Liming Zhou, a scientist at the University of Albany, published a short study in Nature Climate Change. Zhou’s team analyzed satellite data for a handful of large wind farms in west-central Texas. And he found that, between 2003 and 2011, the surface temperature in the immediate vicinity of Texas’ wind farms had heated up a fair bit, especially during the night hours, as the wind turbines pulled warmer air from the atmosphere down closer to the ground.

That’s interesting — if somewhat expected. Orange growers in Florida often use giant fans to protect their crops from frost, using much the same principles. But it’s not at all clear that this has global significance. As Zhou himself explained in an accompanying Q&A (pdf) about his paper: “the warming effect reported in this study is local and is small compared to the strong background year-to-year land surface temperature changes. Very likely, the wind turbines do not create a net warming of the air and instead only re-distribute the air’s heat near the surface, which is fundamentally different from the large-scale warming effect caused by increasing atmospheric concentrations of greenhouse gases.”

Read that paragraph again. Wind turbines appear to move some warm air around in a relatively small patch of Texas — a fact that might be of note to, say, nearby farmers. But that’s not the same thing as putting more carbon-dioxide into the atmosphere, which traps heat that would otherwise escape out into space and which leads to a net overall increase in the Earth’s temperature. The latter is global warming. The former is not.

Still, that didn’t stop news outlets and pundits from inflating Zhou’s study beyond all recognition. The Daily Mail ran the headline, “Wind farms make climate change WORSE.” That’s wrong. Zhou himself complained that the media coverage of his study has been “misleading.”

Now, to pull back a bit, there are real questions about what might happen if we massively scaled up wind farms to produce huge amounts of renewable electricity. After all, wind turbines generate power by slowing down winds and capturing their kinetic energy. Build enough wind turbines and that might have an effect on the Earth’s temperature and rainfall patterns.

To get a sense for what scientists know about this topic, I called Mark Jacobson, an environmental engineer at Stanford who has done a fair bit of modeling work in this area. The key thing to note is that, for now, humanity doesn’t use anywhere near enough wind power to make a big difference to global wind patterns. Jacobson’s earlier research suggested that there’s somewhere around 72 terawatts of wind power that could feasibly be harnessed worldwide. At the end of 2011, the world’s wind power generation capacity was still just 0.2 terawatts. (Human beings use about 16 terawatts of energy, all told.)

And scientists dispute what would happen if we did start blanketing the globe with wind turbines. One 2004 study led by the University of Calgary’s David Keith found that getting just 2 terawatts of electricity from wind could produce “non-negligible climactic change at continental scales” — including shifts in rainfall patterns. (That much wind power would not, however, change the overall temperature of the planet.) But, says Jacobson, the effects that Keith’s group modeled don’t appear to be distinguishable from random fluctuations in the Earth’s climate. “To me,” says Jacobson, “that’s a meaningless result.”

Jacobson himself is working on a more in-depth effort to model the effects of a very large ramp-up in wind — those results could be published later this year. He says it’s possible that a massive expansion of wind turbines over both land and sea could even cool the planet somewhat, by slowing the rate at which water evaporates from the soil and enters the atmosphere. But his study is still under review.

For any of these effects to be noticeable, however, the wind industry would have to be several orders of magnitude larger than it is now. As far as the present day is concerned, there’s no evidence that wind power is having a major effect on the world’s climate, while there’s plenty of evidence that the greenhouse gases we’re pumping into the air are doing quite a bit to heat the Earth.
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D1B wrote:Gentlemen, I'll take this one... :coffee:
Orange growers in Florida often use giant fans to protect their crops from frost, using much the same principles. But it’s not at all clear that this has global significance. As Zhou himself explained in an accompanying Q&A (pdf) about his paper: “the warming effect reported in this study is local and is small compared to the strong background year-to-year land surface temperature changes. Very likely, the wind turbines do not create a net warming of the air and instead only re-distribute the air’s heat near the surface, which is fundamentally different from the large-scale warming effect caused by increasing atmospheric concentrations of greenhouse gases.”

Read that paragraph again. Wind turbines appear to move some warm air around in a relatively small patch of Texas — a fact that might be of note to, say, nearby farmers. But that’s not the same thing as putting more carbon-dioxide into the atmosphere, which traps heat that would otherwise escape out into space and which leads to a net overall increase in the Earth’s temperature. The latter is global warming. The former is not.
Have you ever seen the size of the enery windmills relative to the size of the "giant" fans used to warm orange groves? :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Talk about comparing apples and oranges. :coffee:
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D1B wrote:Gentlemen, I'll take this one... :coffee:
Have you ever seen the size of the windmills relative to the size of the "giant" fans used to warm orange groves? :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Talk about comparing apples and oranges. :coffee:
Have you ever seen the PDF where your author explicitly states:“the warming effect reported in this study is local and is small compared to the strong background year-to-year land surface temperature changes. Very likely, the wind turbines do not create a net warming of the air and instead only re-distribute the air’s heat near the surface, which is fundamentally different from the large-scale warming effect caused by increasing atmospheric concentrations of greenhouse gases.”?

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AZGrizFan wrote:
Have you ever seen the size of the windmills relative to the size of the "giant" fans used to warm orange groves? :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Talk about comparing apples and oranges. :coffee:
Have you ever seen the PDF where your author explicitly states:“the warming effect reported in this study is local and is small compared to the strong background year-to-year land surface temperature changes. Very likely, the wind turbines do not create a net warming of the air and instead only re-distribute the air’s heat near the surface, which is fundamentally different from the large-scale warming effect caused by increasing atmospheric concentrations of greenhouse gases.”?

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Right. Stay true to form, D. Deny any report that refutes your religion. :dunce:

It's ALL warming, dude. :coffee:
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Have you ever seen the PDF where your author explicitly states:“the warming effect reported in this study is local and is small compared to the strong background year-to-year land surface temperature changes. Very likely, the wind turbines do not create a net warming of the air and instead only re-distribute the air’s heat near the surface, which is fundamentally different from the large-scale warming effect caused by increasing atmospheric concentrations of greenhouse gases.”?

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Right. Stay true to form, D. Deny any report that refutes your religion. :dunce:

It's ALL warming, dude. :coffee:
Nice surrender. You already bore me.

*I didn't have to refute anything, your author did. :lol:

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D1B wrote:
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Right. Stay true to form, D. Deny any report that refutes your religion. :dunce:

It's ALL warming, dude. :coffee:
Nice surrender. You already bore me.

*I didn't have to refute anything, your author did. :lol:

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First rule of the defeated: declare victory. Right out of the donk playbook.... :nod: :nod: :kisswink:
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First rule of the defeated: declare victory. Right out of the donk playbook.... :nod: :nod: :kisswink:
Shit, Z, I'm just having fun, knocking you around in between Words with Friends.

Matter o' fact, I'll be more than happy to cede credit for your defeat to the author of the study Fox News used for this "Conkline". :lol:
As Zhou himself explained in an accompanying Q&A (pdf) about his paper: “the warming effect reported in this study is local and is small compared to the strong background year-to-year land surface temperature changes. Very likely, the wind turbines do not create a net warming of the air and instead only re-distribute the air’s heat near the surface, which is fundamentally different from the large-scale warming effect caused by increasing atmospheric concentrations of greenhouse gases.”
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D1B wrote:
AZGrizFan wrote:
First rule of the defeated: declare victory. Right out of the donk playbook.... :nod: :nod: :kisswink:
Shit, Z, I'm just having fun, knocking you around in between Words with Friends.

Matter o' fact, I'll be more than happy to cede credit for your defeat to the author of the study Fox News used for this "Conkline". :lol:
As Zhou himself explained in an accompanying Q&A (pdf) about his paper: “the warming effect reported in this study is local and is small compared to the strong background year-to-year land surface temperature changes. Very likely, the wind turbines do not create a net warming of the air and instead only re-distribute the air’s heat near the surface, which is fundamentally different from the large-scale warming effect caused by increasing atmospheric concentrations of greenhouse gases.”
And the study also implies that the restribution of the air layers is exacerbating the drought in that area of Texas.

Denier. :lol:
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AZGrizFan wrote:
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Shit, Z, I'm just having fun, knocking you around in between Words with Friends.

Matter o' fact, I'll be more than happy to cede credit for your defeat to the author of the study Fox News used for this "Conkline". :lol:
And the study also implies that the restribution of the air layers is exacerbating the drought in that area of Texas.

Denier. :lol:
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This area? This 1-2 acre area? :rofl:
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D1B wrote:
AZGrizFan wrote:
And the study also implies that the restribution of the air layers is exacerbating the drought in that area of Texas.

Denier. :lol:
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This area? This 1-2 acre area? :rofl:
Yeah. That's it. :roll:

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Don't make me embarrass you by posting pictures of orange grove fans. :dunce:
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D1B wrote:
AZGrizFan wrote:
And the study also implies that the restribution of the air layers is exacerbating the drought in that area of Texas.

Denier. :lol:
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This area? This 1-2 acre area? :rofl:
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D1B wrote:
D1B wrote:
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This area? This 1-2 acre area? :rofl:
Look at those rows and rows of gigantic warming fans:
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These orange trees must be fucking GIGANTIC to hide those 400-500 foot tall warming fans. :coffee:
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AZGrizFan wrote:
D1B wrote:
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This area? This 1-2 acre area? :rofl:
Yeah. That's it. :roll:

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Don't make me embarrass you by posting pictures of orange grove fans. :dunce:
This is easy.

1. Reread your thread title, then
2. Read this:
As Zhou himself explained in an accompanying Q&A (pdf) about his paper: “the warming effect reported in this study is local and is small compared to the strong background year-to-year land surface temperature changes. Very likely, the wind turbines do not create a net warming of the air and instead only re-distribute the air’s heat near the surface, which is fundamentally different from the large-scale warming effect caused by increasing atmospheric concentrations of greenhouse gases.”
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AZGrizFan wrote:Image

These orange trees must be fucking GIGANTIC to hide those 400-500 foot tall warming fans. :coffee:
As Zhou himself explained in an accompanying Q&A (pdf) about his paper: “the warming effect reported in this study is local and is small compared to the strong background year-to-year land surface temperature changes. Very likely, the wind turbines do not create a net warming of the air and instead only re-distribute the air’s heat near the surface, which is fundamentally different from the large-scale warming effect caused by increasing atmospheric concentrations of greenhouse gases.”
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But Zhou and his colleagues found that turbulence behind the wind turbine blades stirs up a layer of cooler air that usually settles on the ground at night, and mixes in warm air that is on top.

That layering effect is usually reversed during the daytime, with warm air on the surface and cooler air higher up."The year-to-year land surface temperature over wind farms shows a persistent upward trend from 2003 to 2011, consistent with the increasing number of operational wind turbines with time," Zhou said.

FAA data shows that the number of wind turbines over the study region has risen from 111 in 2003 to 2358 in 2011, according to the study.The warming could hurt local farmers, who have already suffered through a killer drought over the past few years. Texas agriculture contributes $80 billion to the state's economy, second only to petrochemicals, according to the Texas Department of Agriculture.

West Texas is a dry area that uses irrigation to grow wheat, cotton and other crops, as well as raise cattle. But increased warming can play havoc with plant growth, as well as change local rainfall patterns.
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AZGrizFan wrote:
But Zhou and his colleagues found that turbulence behind the wind turbine blades stirs up a layer of cooler air that usually settles on the ground at night, and mixes in warm air that is on top.

That layering effect is usually reversed during the daytime, with warm air on the surface and cooler air higher up."The year-to-year land surface temperature over wind farms shows a persistent upward trend from 2003 to 2011, consistent with the increasing number of operational wind turbines with time," Zhou said.

FAA data shows that the number of wind turbines over the study region has risen from 111 in 2003 to 2358 in 2011, according to the study.The warming could hurt local farmers, who have already suffered through a killer drought over the past few years. Texas agriculture contributes $80 billion to the state's economy, second only to petrochemicals, according to the Texas Department of Agriculture.

West Texas is a dry area that uses irrigation to grow wheat, cotton and other crops, as well as raise cattle. But increased warming can play havoc with plant growth, as well as change local rainfall patterns.
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As Zhou himself explained in an accompanying Q&A (pdf) about his paper: “the warming effect reported in this study is local and is small compared to the strong background year-to-year land surface temperature changes. Very likely, the wind turbines do not create a net warming of the air and instead only re-distribute the air’s heat near the surface, which is fundamentally different from the large-scale warming effect caused by increasing atmospheric concentrations of greenhouse gases.”
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D1B wrote:
AZGrizFan wrote:
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As Zhou himself explained in an accompanying Q&A (pdf) about his paper: “the warming effect reported in this study is local and is small compared to the strong background year-to-year land surface temperature changes. Very likely, the wind turbines do not create a net warming of the air and instead only re-distribute the air’s heat near the surface, which is fundamentally different from the large-scale warming effect caused by increasing atmospheric concentrations of greenhouse gases.”
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I can do this all night. Remember, I'm a geographic bachelor and I'm two time zones behind you. :kisswink:

Won't have to, Zhou to the rescue, again:
Still, that didn’t stop news outlets and pundits from inflating Zhou’s study beyond all recognition. The Daily Mail ran the headline, “Wind farms make climate change WORSE.” That’s wrong. Zhou himself complained that the media coverage of his study has been “misleading.”
annnnnnnnnd that's a wrap. Been fun Z. Good night. Try not to seethe, too much. You got your ass handed to you by one of the best. There's no shame in that.

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D1B wrote:
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I can do this all night. Remember, I'm a geographic bachelor and I'm two time zones behind you. :kisswink:

Won't have to, Zhou to the rescue, again:
Still, that didn’t stop news outlets and pundits from inflating Zhou’s study beyond all recognition. The Daily Mail ran the headline, “Wind farms make climate change WORSE.” That’s wrong. Zhou himself complained that the media coverage of his study has been “misleading.”
annnnnnnnnd that's a wrap. Been fun Z. Good night. Try not to seethe, too much. You got your ass handed to you by one of the best. There's no shame in that.
Apology accepted and concession noted. Hope you sleep well, and I hope there's no wind farms near you. :shock:
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This thread should have died after the 2nd post. Hats off to Z for keeping it going. :thumb:
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kalm wrote:This thread should have died after the 2nd post. Hats off to Z for keeping it going. :thumb:
You're welcome. I was extremely bored last night. D did NOTHING to help. :ohno: :ohno: :ohno:
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