Idiot Cop shoots dog

[Ibanez]

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This cop should be disciplined.

Don't cops have GPS in the cars? Don't they check to make sure they are at the right location? Don't they expect to come upon a disturbance when they've been called to one.

[grizzaholic]

I had to shoot a dog once when I was a cop.

INCOMPETANT MORON!!!!

But it was his dog.....HIS DOG!!!

[andy7171]

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This cop should be disciplined.

Don't cops have GPS in the cars? Don't they check to make sure they are at the right location? Don't they expect to come upon a disturbance when they've been called to one.

I agree he should be disciplined. But he shouldn't lose his job or be killed over this.

[Ibanez]

This cop should be disciplined.

Don't cops have GPS in the cars? Don't they check to make sure they are at the right location? Don't they expect to come upon a disturbance when they've been called to one.

I agree he should be disciplined. But he shouldn't lose his job or be killed over this.

He shouldn't lose his job, but definetly punished.

[Rob Iola]

Tough situation for the cop - as a dog owner there's no way I let my dog have unfettered access to the driveway and by extension the street (which is what this situation sounds like) because of this sort of situation - running up to a stranger and scaring the shit out of him, regardless of what the dog would do next (how's the cop to know?). And how is the cop to know that the address is wrong - he's ordered to go to an address and deal with a potentially violent situation - he follows his training.

What police departments need is a better, non-lethal protocol for dealing with dogs - encountering them in any non-leash situation is rarely going to result in the dog being docile/submissive, which pretty much guarentees that the cop will feel threatened and justified in the use of force. And that just never ends well for anyone involved...

[BlueHen86]

Tough situation for the cop - as a dog owner there's no way I let my dog have unfettered access to the driveway and by extension the street (which is what this situation sounds like) because of this sort of situation - running up to a stranger and scaring the shit out of him, regardless of what the dog would do next (how's the cop to know?). And how is the cop to know that the address is wrong - he's ordered to go to an address and deal with a potentially violent situation - he follows his training.

What police departments need is a better, non-lethal protocol for dealing with dogs - encountering them in any non-leash situation is rarely going to result in the dog being docile/submissive, which pretty much guarentees that the cop will feel threatened and justified in the use of force. And that just never ends well for anyone involved...

The cop should not be allowed to carry a gun. Watch the beginning of the dash cam again. In the span of about 5 seconds the cop:
surprises the resident at gun point
gives him three potentially conflicting commands (was it even possible for the resident to show his hands, get back and get the dog?)
shoots the dog before finishing the third command (good thing the resident didn't obey command number three).

Afterwards the cops asks why the resident didn't get the dog, as if the guy had time. The cop panicked, plain and simple. I'm not an anti-cop guy, it's a tough job and most of them are good at it, I just don't think this guy is.

[CID1990]

What police departments need is a better, non-lethal protocol for dealing with dogs

Pepper spray usually works on most dogs. The problem is that when you go into fight or flight mode in a split second, you revert to training and muscle memory, which means the first thing you will grab is ol smokey. Ive sprayed dogs before, but i was going into a situation where i knew ahead of time i might be facing a vicious dog, so i was prepared. If i was ever surprised by a dog, i might have shot it.

I have also just stood my ground with dogs before without doing anything and that has always worked as well. 99 percent of dogs are pussies if you just stand your ground and stare them down.

[Appaholic]

What police departments need is a better, non-lethal protocol for dealing with dogs

Pepper spray usually works on most dogs. The problem is that when you go into fight or flight mode in a split second, you revert to training and muscle memory, which means the first thing you will grab is ol smokey. Ive sprayed dogs before, but i was going into a situation where i knew ahead of time i might be facing a vicious dog, so i was prepared. If i was ever surprised by a dog, i might have shot it.

Cid, serious question. Was it protocol to approach a potential domestic disturbance situation, in a yard, in the middle of the day (no visibility issues like at night) with your gun drawn as this cop apparantly did? I don't know, that's why I'm asking....

I have also just stood my ground with dogs before without doing anything and that has always worked as well. 99 percent of dogs are pussies if you just stand your ground and stare them down.

Agree.....also been my experince that 99% of cops are pussies without the gun & badge, but that's par for the general public as well....

[Appaholic]

Tough situation for the cop - as a dog owner there's no way I let my dog have unfettered access to the driveway and by extension the street (which is what this situation sounds like) because of this sort of situation - running up to a stranger and scaring the shit out of him, regardless of what the dog would do next (how's the cop to know?). And how is the cop to know that the address is wrong - he's ordered to go to an address and deal with a potentially violent situation - he follows his training.

What police departments need is a better, non-lethal protocol for dealing with dogs - encountering them in any non-leash situation is rarely going to result in the dog being docile/submissive, which pretty much guarentees that the cop will feel threatened and justified in the use of force. And that just never ends well for anyone involved...

The cop should not be allowed to carry a gun. Watch the beginning of the dash cam again. In the span of about 5 seconds the cop:
surprises the resident at gun point
gives him three potentially conflicting commands (was it even possible for the resident to show his hands, get back and get the dog?)
shoots the dog before finishing the third command (good thing the resident didn't obey command number three).

Afterwards the cops asks why the resident didn't get the dog, as if the guy had time. The cop panicked, plain and simple. I'm not an anti-cop guy, it's a tough job and most of them are good at it, I just don't think this guy is.

Nailed it. The cop was not prepared to deal with this situation and should not be potentially placed in a similar situation given this response....

[CID1990]

Pepper spray usually works on most dogs. The problem is that when you go into fight or flight mode in a split second, you revert to training and muscle memory, which means the first thing you will grab is ol smokey. Ive sprayed dogs before, but i was going into a situation where i knew ahead of time i might be facing a vicious dog, so i was prepared. If i was ever surprised by a dog, i might have shot it.

Cid, serious question. Was it protocol to approach a potential domestic disturbance situation, in a yard, in the middle of the day (no visibility issues like at night) with your gun drawn as this cop apparantly did? I don't know, that's why I'm asking....

I have also just stood my ground with dogs before without doing anything and that has always worked as well. 99 percent of dogs are pussies if you just stand your ground and stare them down.

Agree.....also been my experince that 99% of cops are pussies without the gun & badge, but that's par for the general public as well....

The answer is no. Unless we are missing some info here, like the disturbance involved a weapon or something like that. It is hard to tell without having all the info that was available to the officer at the time, but given what we have I would say he probably should have kept it in the leather. I would have approached this situation differently but I have also not watched the video. If I disagree with what I see, then there's not much I can add here. If I agreed with the officer's actions I wouldnt want to spend the energy arguing about it.



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[Appaholic]

Cid, serious question. Was it protocol to approach a potential domestic disturbance situation, in a yard, in the middle of the day (no visibility issues like at night) with your gun drawn as this cop apparantly did? I don't know, that's why I'm asking....



Agree.....also been my experince that 99% of cops are pussies without the gun & badge, but that's par for the general public as well....

The answer is no. Unless we are missing some info here, like the disturbance involved a weapon or something like that. It is hard to tell without having all the info that was available to the officer at the time, but given what we have I would say he probably should have kept it in the leather. I would have approached this situation differently but I have also not watched the video. If I disagree with what I see, then there's not much I can add here. If I agreed with the officer's actions I wouldnt want to spend the energy arguing about it.



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Understood and thanks for the response...

[dbackjon]

INCOMPETANT MORON!!!!

It was rabid.

YOU KILLED OL YELLER?

[CID1990]

It was rabid.

YOU KILLED OL YELLER?

He was black.


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[dbackjon]

YOU KILLED OL YELLER?

He was black.


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racist!!

[CID1990]

He was black.


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racist!!

....and tan.


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