Uh Oh, Conks! Census Bureau: US "Minority White" By 2042!

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I've always been a minority as a Norwegian American in this country

Ditto:
1/4 Norwegian
1/4 Italian
1/4 Welsh
1/4 Scot
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1 Good looking badass mutherfucker.

[SeattleGriz]

Scando's Unit

Yeah, you'd dig my heritage Gil. Grandma born in Minot, Grandpa born in Fergus Falls, made their way westward to Havre, Spokane, and eventually Poulsbo, WA on the Fjords of Puget Sound.

Your grandma sounds like a helluva woman. I was born in Minot as well.

[Cap'n Cat]

Back to the topic....


I wanna hear what Broncky's doing to prepare for the "darkening" in 2042.


"Tail yoo wut, white peoples, any o' dem northern Negroids comes 'round here, ain't gonna be a lick of 'em standin' whens I gets thru wit 'em."

[JohnStOnge]

Must admit that that's a pretty weird outfit with the preacher's collar and the Maltese Cross with the little symbol that kind of calls a swastika to mind in it.

[kalm]

Yeah, you'd dig my heritage Gil. Grandma born in Minot, Grandpa born in Fergus Falls, made their way westward to Havre, Spokane, and eventually Poulsbo, WA on the Fjords of Puget Sound.

Your grandma sounds like a helluva woman. I was born in Minot as well.

Yep. She helped Grandpa escape the feds a few times in Havre during his rum running days, would cook homemade lefsa on the cast iron wood fired stove, and was the best gardener around. You two have pretty much followed the same path if memory serves. Just hop the Kingston Ferry and you've completed the trip!

[BDKJMU]

Cool. Whites won't be discriminated against like they are now by being the only racial group denied affirmative action. Whites as a minority will be able to benefit from affirmative action like all the non whites do.

[CID1990]

Jesus, what a dick.

Just the truth. I'll use the NAEP 8th Grade Math test again..in this case mostly because it has a longer history than the 12th Grade Math test so you can see how things have changed over time.

Here's how average score went by ethnic group in 1990:

Asian 275
White 270
Hispanic 246
Black 237

Here's how it went by ethnic group 21 years later in 2011:

Asian 303
White 293
Hispanic 270
Black 262

The NAEP site indicates that in 1990 "Accommodations were not permitted for this assessment." That may be a factor in the fact that every group's score improved. And every group could've improved to some extent.

But the point is that the relative positions of the groups and the gaps between them didn't change that much. Whites scored an average of 23 points higher than Hispanics in 1990 then 24 points higher in 2011. They scored 31 points higher on average than Blacks in 1990 and 33 points higher in 2011. To do it properly I'd have to put it in terms of standard deviations but the picture wouldn't change so I won't put you through that.

I've already showed you guys numerous times that quantitatively measurable environmental factors can't account for the differences between ethnic groups. If you had to bet, looking at how little things have changed in terms of those test scores over the past 21 years, would you bet things are going to change substantilly with respect to the relative performance of those four ethnic groups by 2042?

See, this is why I am skeptical about that study in the other thread about "low effort thought" resulting in conservative positions. Liberals, progressives, whatever you want to call them...are only interested in reality when reality fits their pre-conceived world view with respect to things like egalitarianism and environmentalism. Real, hard numbers like those referenced above won't be accepted by them because they don't fit in with what they wish to believe.

There is no way...none...that somebody could look at those numbers and not think that there is going to be a down side for the United States if the trend in changing ethnic demographics continues. It's just the truth.

I mean, it's not going to be the end of the world. There will still be plenty of people good at math. But the average math aptitude of the US population is going to be lower than it would be if the proportions were to stay the same as they are now or move in the other direction. And, though I wont' post the numbers, the same is true of science aptitudes.

And suppose it's all cultural as an egalitarian would immediately contend? Would that make it any better? Do you have any reason to think that the cultural factors that ostensibly lead to substantially lower math and science aptitudes are going to change enough before 2042 to think that what I'm predicting won't happen?

Fvck man, if you have to write War and Peace to make a point, maybe you dont have one. Summarize man, Christ in a sidecar!

[Cap'n Cat]

Fvck man, if you have to write War and Peace to make a point, maybe you dont have one. Summarize man, Christ in a sidecar!

Man, Ciddy, that what's we've been telling him since he registered on AGS back in '78!!!!

[JohnStOnge]

Fvck man, if you have to write War and Peace to make a point, maybe you dont have one. Summarize man, Christ in a sidecar!

I like to back up what I say. I could've just said that if the projected demographic trend continues we will lose ground with respect to our science and math aptitude distributions but I would think that if somebody's going to say something like that they should provide some basis for saying it.

[Appaholic]

Jesus, what a dick.

Just the truth. I'll use the NAEP 8th Grade Math test again..in this case mostly because it has a longer history than the 12th Grade Math test so you can see how things have changed over time.

Here's how average score went by ethnic group in 1990:

Asian 275
White 270
Hispanic 246
Black 237

Here's how it went by ethnic group 21 years later in 2011:

Asian 303
White 293
Hispanic 270
Black 262

The NAEP site indicates that in 1990 "Accommodations were not permitted for this assessment." That may be a factor in the fact that every group's score improved. And every group could've improved to some extent.

But the point is that the relative positions of the groups and the gaps between them didn't change that much. Whites scored an average of 23 points higher than Hispanics in 1990 then 24 points higher in 2011. They scored 31 points higher on average than Blacks in 1990 and 33 points higher in 2011. To do it properly I'd have to put it in terms of standard deviations but the picture wouldn't change so I won't put you through that.

I've already showed you guys numerous times that quantitatively measurable environmental factors can't account for the differences between ethnic groups. If you had to bet, looking at how little things have changed in terms of those test scores over the past 21 years, would you bet things are going to change substantilly with respect to the relative performance of those four ethnic groups by 2042?

See, this is why I am skeptical about that study in the other thread about "low effort thought" resulting in conservative positions. Liberals, progressives, whatever you want to call them...are only interested in reality when reality fits their pre-conceived world view with respect to things like egalitarianism and environmentalism. Real, hard numbers like those referenced above won't be accepted by them because they don't fit in with what they wish to believe.

There is no way...none...that somebody could look at those numbers and not think that there is going to be a down side for the United States if the trend in changing ethnic demographics continues. It's just the truth.

I mean, it's not going to be the end of the world. There will still be plenty of people good at math. But the average math aptitude of the US population is going to be lower than it would be if the proportions were to stay the same as they are now or move in the other direction. And, though I wont' post the numbers, the same is tr

Quit making sense....ue of science aptitudes.

And suppose it's all cultural as an egalitarian would immediately contend? Would that make it any better? Do you have any reason to think that the cultural factors that ostensibly lead to substantially lower math and science aptitudes are going to change enough before 2042 to think that what I'm predicting won't happen?

Quit making sense....