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Chicago Tribune, April 10 2012
CHICAGO, April 10 (Reuters) - The number of credible
allegations of sexual abuse of minors committed by Roman
Catholic priests or deacons in the United States rose 15 percent
last year, and the church spent $144 million to deal with the
ongoing scandal, according to a church-sponsored audit released
on Tuesday. :ohno:

A total of 489 people reported credible allegations of abuse
by priests or deacons in 2011, the bulk of them involving adults
victimized when they were children decades ago by now-deceased
clerics, the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops said in a
report on its ninth annual audit of the issue.

Twenty-one of the victims were younger than 19 and
victimized more recently. Attorneys for victims say there are
likely tens of thousands more victims who have never come
forward since the scandal erupted in Boston in 2002. :nod:

"We renew our promise to strive to the fullest to end the
societal scourge of child sexual abuse," Cardinal Timothy Dolan,
president of the conference, said in an introductory letter to
the report.

The yearly audit for the bishops identified credible
allegations against 406 priests or deacons. In 2010, there were
428 credible allegations against 345 offenders. More than
one-third of the alleged perpetrators had never been charged
before.

The figures for victims and offenders were twice as high
earlier in the decade, then dropped off beginning in 2008.

Twelve accused clerics remained active in ministry pending
the outcome of investigations. Eleven percent of new allegations
were deemed false.

Altogether, U.S. dioceses and religious institutes spent
$144 million on abuse settlement-related costs, which included
$50 million for settlements, $37 million in attorneys' fees, $6
million on therapy for victims and $10 million on support for
offenders. About a quarter of the settlement amount was covered
by church insurance policies. :ohno:

The church spent another $33 million on child protection
efforts last year. Nearly all church employees have undergone
training on the issue, the bishops' audit said, and a majority
of children in parishes have been instructed how identify when
they are being "groomed" for abuse and what to do.

"The church must continue to be vigilant. The church must do
all she can never to let abuse happen again. And we must all
continue to work with full resolve toward the healing and
reconciliation of the victims/survivors," Dolan said.

The yearly audit was conducted for the first time by
StoneBridge Business Partners, which visited one-third of the
195 dioceses. Data was also provided by the Georgetown
University-based Center for Applied Research in the Apostolate.

Critics such as the Survivors Network of Those Abused by
Priests (SNAP) has said the church cannot police itself, and
that the crime of church higher-ups hiding and transferring
offending priests is a persistent problem.


SNAP's outreach director Barbara Dorris called the audits
"nearly meaningless."

A trial is under way for a member of the church hierarchy in
Philadelphia, Monsignor William Lynn, who is accused of
transferring offending priests to unsuspecting parishes.

Lynn, 61, is the highest-ranking member of the U.S. church
to go on trial in an abuse-related case, though Kansas City,
Missouri, Bishop Robert Finn is to go on trial in September on a
charge he failed to report to authorities about a priest found
with pornographic pictures of young girls.

"Those horrific cases prove that, when it comes to kids'
safety, little in church hierarchy has changed," Dorris said.

Altogether, U.S. dioceses have spent $2.1 billion :ohno: on
settlement-related costs for the abuse scandal between 2004
through last year, according to the report. Eight dioceses and a
Jesuit province have declared bankruptcy since 2004 because of
the costs of the scandal. (*Jesuits are the worst offenders - sadistic, perverted monsters)

(Reporting By Andrew Stern; Editing by Cynthia Osterman)
*Again, keep in mind this is a CHURCH SPONSORED audit. The catholic church leadership and laity are full of liars and well-meaning people with their heads in the sand. The problem is probably 100 times worse than what the catholic bishops would have you believe. :nod:
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Chicago Tribune, April 10 2012
CHICAGO, April 10 (Reuters) - The number of credible
allegations of sexual abuse of minors committed by Roman
Catholic priests or deacons in the United States rose 15 percent
last year, and the church spent $144 million to deal with the
ongoing scandal, according to a church-sponsored audit released
on Tuesday. :ohno:

A total of 489 people reported credible allegations of abuse
by priests or deacons in 2011, the bulk of them involving adults
victimized when they were children decades ago by now-deceased
clerics, the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops said in a
report on its ninth annual audit of the issue.

Twenty-one of the victims were younger than 19 and
victimized more recently. Attorneys for victims say there are
likely tens of thousands more victims who have never come
forward since the scandal erupted in Boston in 2002. :nod:

"We renew our promise to strive to the fullest to end the
societal scourge of child sexual abuse," Cardinal Timothy Dolan,
president of the conference, said in an introductory letter to
the report.

The yearly audit for the bishops identified credible
allegations against 406 priests or deacons. In 2010, there were
428 credible allegations against 345 offenders. More than
one-third of the alleged perpetrators had never been charged
before.

The figures for victims and offenders were twice as high
earlier in the decade, then dropped off beginning in 2008.

Twelve accused clerics remained active in ministry pending
the outcome of investigations. Eleven percent of new allegations
were deemed false.

Altogether, U.S. dioceses and religious institutes spent
$144 million on abuse settlement-related costs, which included
$50 million for settlements, $37 million in attorneys' fees, $6
million on therapy for victims and $10 million on support for
offenders. About a quarter of the settlement amount was covered
by church insurance policies. :ohno:

The church spent another $33 million on child protection
efforts last year. Nearly all church employees have undergone
training on the issue, the bishops' audit said, and a majority
of children in parishes have been instructed how identify when
they are being "groomed" for abuse and what to do.

"The church must continue to be vigilant. The church must do
all she can never to let abuse happen again. And we must all
continue to work with full resolve toward the healing and
reconciliation of the victims/survivors," Dolan said.

The yearly audit was conducted for the first time by
StoneBridge Business Partners, which visited one-third of the
195 dioceses. Data was also provided by the Georgetown
University-based Center for Applied Research in the Apostolate.

Critics such as the Survivors Network of Those Abused by
Priests (SNAP) has said the church cannot police itself, and
that the crime of church higher-ups hiding and transferring
offending priests is a persistent problem.


SNAP's outreach director Barbara Dorris called the audits
"nearly meaningless."

A trial is under way for a member of the church hierarchy in
Philadelphia, Monsignor William Lynn, who is accused of
transferring offending priests to unsuspecting parishes.

Lynn, 61, is the highest-ranking member of the U.S. church
to go on trial in an abuse-related case, though Kansas City,
Missouri, Bishop Robert Finn is to go on trial in September on a
charge he failed to report to authorities about a priest found
with pornographic pictures of young girls.

"Those horrific cases prove that, when it comes to kids'
safety, little in church hierarchy has changed," Dorris said.

Altogether, U.S. dioceses have spent $2.1 billion :ohno: on
settlement-related costs for the abuse scandal between 2004
through last year, according to the report. Eight dioceses and a
Jesuit province have declared bankruptcy since 2004 because of
the costs of the scandal. (*Jesuits are the worst offenders - sadistic, perverted monsters)

(Reporting By Andrew Stern; Editing by Cynthia Osterman)
*Again, keep in mind this is a CHURCH SPONSORED audit. The catholic church leadership and laity are full of liars and well-meaning people with their heads in the sand. The problem is probably 100 times worse than what the catholic bishops would have you believe. :nod:
The Vatican will not do anything to deal with this problem they stick their heads in the sand and act as if this problem is none of their concern.
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D1B wrote:Crickets from Mesothelioma. :lol:

I'm sure whatever Joe is doing, it is good for everyone.
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Well, if you want to know the truth, the headline is misleading. The number of cases did not rise last year. The number of cases from 30 to 50 years that were first reported last year increased.

The present rate of abuse by Church clergy is extremely low.
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JoltinJoe wrote:Well, if you want to know the truth, the headline is misleading. The number of cases did not rise last year. The number of cases from 30 to 50 years that were first reported last year increased.

The present rate of abuse by Church clergy is extremely low.
They're low because the church is reporting the numbers. Your church leadership exhibits alarming dishonesty and avioidance of accountability. So many children have been raped by your priests and almost all could have been avoided.

Here you go again, minimizing the crimes of your church. :thumb:

Your church has spent 2.1 BILLION DOLLARS in settlements and paying scumbag lawyers. :thumb:

Staggering.
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Can we drop the Catholic Church stuff? We all get it. They'll work to improve it.
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D1B wrote:
JoltinJoe wrote:Well, if you want to know the truth, the headline is misleading. The number of cases did not rise last year. The number of cases from 30 to 50 years that were first reported last year increased.

The present rate of abuse by Church clergy is extremely low.
They're low because the church is reporting the numbers. Your church leadership exhibits alarming dishonesty and avioidance of accountability. So many children have been raped by your priests and almost all could have been avoided.

Here you go again, minimizing the crimes of your church. :thumb:

Your church has spent 2.1 BILLION DOLLARS in settlements and paying scumbag lawyers. :thumb:

Staggering.
Of course, you also minimize the extent of sexual crimes against children throughout the world by only focusing on those committed by people associated with the Catholic Church, so more than one person can parse their argument apparently. Let's face it, if you didn't already hate religion, people who are religious, and the Catholic Church specifically, I'm not sure what you would post about.

With that said, I don't think anyone here, Joe included, has ever said that the Church's crimes in these cases are anything other than heinous and abominable and insidious, as is the Church's much too long delay in responding to this. That's a straw man you set up on your own.
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GannonFan wrote:
D1B wrote:
They're low because the church is reporting the numbers. Your church leadership exhibits alarming dishonesty and avioidance of accountability. So many children have been raped by your priests and almost all could have been avoided.

Here you go again, minimizing the crimes of your church. :thumb:

Your church has spent 2.1 BILLION DOLLARS in settlements and paying scumbag lawyers. :thumb:

Staggering.
Of course, you also minimize the extent of sexual crimes against children throughout the world by only focusing on those committed by people associated with the Catholic Church, so more than one person can parse their argument apparently. Let's face it, if you didn't already hate religion, people who are religious, and the Catholic Church specifically, I'm not sure what you would post about.

With that said, I don't think anyone here, Joe included, has ever said that the Church's crimes in these cases are anything other than heinous and abominable and insidious, as is the Church's much too long delay in responding to this. That's a straw man you set up on your own.
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Cap'n Cat wrote:Can we drop the Catholic Church stuff? We all get it. They'll work to improve it.
Here here. Of course, the hope is they'll work to improve it - the Catholic hierarchy, however, hasn't done enough for people to assume they will without some prodding in the right direction.
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Cap'n Cat wrote:
GannonFan wrote: Of course, you also minimize the extent of sexual crimes against children throughout the world by only focusing on those committed by people associated with the Catholic Church, so more than one person can parse their argument apparently. Let's face it, if you didn't already hate religion, people who are religious, and the Catholic Church specifically, I'm not sure what you would post about.

With that said, I don't think anyone here, Joe included, has ever said that the Church's crimes in these cases are anything other than heinous and abominable and insidious, as is the Church's much too long delay in responding to this. That's a straw man you set up on your own.
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D1B wrote:
JoltinJoe wrote:Well, if you want to know the truth, the headline is misleading. The number of cases did not rise last year. The number of cases from 30 to 50 years that were first reported last year increased.

The present rate of abuse by Church clergy is extremely low.
They're low because the church is reporting the numbers. Your church leadership exhibits alarming dishonesty and avioidance of accountability. So many children have been raped by your priests and almost all could have been avoided.

Here you go again, minimizing the crimes of your church. :thumb:

Your church has spent 2.1 BILLION DOLLARS in settlements and paying scumbag lawyers. :thumb:

Staggering.
Every study which has ever been done has concluded the same thing: the rate of abuse by Catholic clergy is equal to or lower than the overall rate of abuse by other clergy and other adults.

If you put any institution under the scrutiny that the Church has been under, the results would be the same. The myopic fixation on the Catholic Church results from PI lawyers chasing a centralized institution with deep pockets and anti-Catholic bigotry from people like you.

Yes, what happened was grievously wrong. But let's not fool ourselves into thinking the Catholic Church was alone in how it dealt with these things.

Cue DumB and his distorted, bigoted view of history that all historical wrongs resulted because of the "power and control" of the Church. :dunce:
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JoltinJoe wrote:
D1B wrote:
They're low because the church is reporting the numbers. Your church leadership exhibits alarming dishonesty and avioidance of accountability. So many children have been raped by your priests and almost all could have been avoided.

Here you go again, minimizing the crimes of your church. :thumb:

Your church has spent 2.1 BILLION DOLLARS in settlements and paying scumbag lawyers. :thumb:

Staggering.
Every study which has ever been done has concluded the same thing: the rate of abuse by Catholic clergy is equal to or lower than the overall rate of abuse by other clergy and other adults.

If you put any institution under the scrutiny that the Church has been under, the results would be the same. The myopic fixation on the Catholic Church results from PI lawyers chasing a centralized institution with deep pockets and anti-Catholic bigotry from people like you.

Yes, what happened was grievously wrong. But let's not fool ourselves into thinking the Catholic Church was alone in how it dealt with these things.

Cue DumB and his distorted, bigoted view of history that all historical wrongs resulted because of the "power and control" of the Church. :dunce:
Let's give it a rest, gentlemen.
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Cap'n Cat wrote:
JoltinJoe wrote:
Every study which has ever been done has concluded the same thing: the rate of abuse by Catholic clergy is equal to or lower than the overall rate of abuse by other clergy and other adults.

If you put any institution under the scrutiny that the Church has been under, the results would be the same. The myopic fixation on the Catholic Church results from PI lawyers chasing a centralized institution with deep pockets and anti-Catholic bigotry from people like you.

Yes, what happened was grievously wrong. But let's not fool ourselves into thinking the Catholic Church was alone in how it dealt with these things.

Cue DumB and his distorted, bigoted view of history that all historical wrongs resulted because of the "power and control" of the Church. :dunce:
Let's give it a rest, gentlemen.
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JoltinJoe wrote:
D1B wrote:
They're low because the church is reporting the numbers. Your church leadership exhibits alarming dishonesty and avioidance of accountability. So many children have been raped by your priests and almost all could have been avoided.

Here you go again, minimizing the crimes of your church. :thumb:

Your church has spent 2.1 BILLION DOLLARS in settlements and paying scumbag lawyers. :thumb:

Staggering.
Every study which has ever been done has concluded the same thing: the rate of abuse by Catholic clergy is equal to or lower than the overall rate of abuse by other clergy and other adults.

If you put any institution under the scrutiny that the Church has been under, the results would be the same. The myopic fixation on the Catholic Church results from PI lawyers chasing a centralized institution with deep pockets and anti-Catholic bigotry from people like you.

Yes, what happened was grievously wrong. But let's not fool ourselves into thinking the Catholic Church was alone in how it dealt with these things.

Cue DumB and his distorted, bigoted view of history that all historical wrongs resulted because of the "power and control" of the Church. :dunce:
Here you go again, minimizing the crimes of your church. The catholic church IS ALONE regarding the massive cover up and protection of pedophiles.

Sorry Joe, your precious Jenkins study in now a decade old and becomes less and less irrelevent every day. We've only seen the tip of the iceberg. :nod:

Yeah, they're chasing deep pockets = deep GUILTY pockets. :nod: Even the bishops cited in the Trib article conclude about 90% of the case are valid.
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Cap'n Cat wrote:
JoltinJoe wrote:
Every study which has ever been done has concluded the same thing: the rate of abuse by Catholic clergy is equal to or lower than the overall rate of abuse by other clergy and other adults.

If you put any institution under the scrutiny that the Church has been under, the results would be the same. The myopic fixation on the Catholic Church results from PI lawyers chasing a centralized institution with deep pockets and anti-Catholic bigotry from people like you.

Yes, what happened was grievously wrong. But let's not fool ourselves into thinking the Catholic Church was alone in how it dealt with these things.

Cue DumB and his distorted, bigoted view of history that all historical wrongs resulted because of the "power and control" of the Church. :dunce:
Let's give it a rest, gentlemen.
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GannonFan wrote:
D1B wrote:
They're low because the church is reporting the numbers. Your church leadership exhibits alarming dishonesty and avioidance of accountability. So many children have been raped by your priests and almost all could have been avoided.

Here you go again, minimizing the crimes of your church. :thumb:

Your church has spent 2.1 BILLION DOLLARS in settlements and paying scumbag lawyers. :thumb:

Staggering.
Of course, you also minimize the extent of sexual crimes against children throughout the world by only focusing on those committed by people associated with the Catholic Church, so more than one person can parse their argument apparently. Let's face it, if you didn't already hate religion, people who are religious, and the Catholic Church specifically, I'm not sure what you would post about.

With that said, I don't think anyone here, Joe included, has ever said that the Church's crimes in these cases are anything other than heinous and abominable and insidious, as is the Church's much too long delay in responding to this. That's a straw man you set up on your own.
Really? Where are the numbers coming from, GF? You really believe they're providing accurate numbers? :dunce:

The catholic church is the only org that has escaped accountability. If you can come up with an org even remotely similar, do it. If you can come up with abuse case and victim numbers that didn't originate from catholic bishops, then provide em. Until then, STFU and leave me to my work.

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D1B wrote:
GannonFan wrote: Of course, you also minimize the extent of sexual crimes against children throughout the world by only focusing on those committed by people associated with the Catholic Church, so more than one person can parse their argument apparently. Let's face it, if you didn't already hate religion, people who are religious, and the Catholic Church specifically, I'm not sure what you would post about.

With that said, I don't think anyone here, Joe included, has ever said that the Church's crimes in these cases are anything other than heinous and abominable and insidious, as is the Church's much too long delay in responding to this. That's a straw man you set up on your own.
Really? Where are the numbers coming from, GF? You really believe they're providing accurate numbers? :dunce:

The catholic church is the only org that has escaped accountability. If you can come up with an org even remotely similar, do it. If you can come up with abuse case and victim numbers that didn't originate from catholic bishops, then provide em. Until then, STFU and leave me to my work.

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If you actually cared about all those kids that would be one thing, but you come off as just a religion-hating, religious believer hating idealogue. Maybe you should leave all this for those who actually care about the kids whose lives have been so devastated by the despicable and heinous acts of the Church's hierarchy - that gets lost in your rabid determination to debase all things religious. Not that you care of course.
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GannonFan wrote:
D1B wrote:
Really? Where are the numbers coming from, GF? You really believe they're providing accurate numbers? :dunce:

The catholic church is the only org that has escaped accountability. If you can come up with an org even remotely similar, do it. If you can come up with abuse case and victim numbers that didn't originate from catholic bishops, then provide em. Until then, STFU and leave me to my work.

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If you actually cared about all those kids that would be one thing, but you come off as just a religion-hating, religious believer hating idealogue. Maybe you should leave all this for those who actually care about the kids whose lives have been so devastated by the despicable and heinous acts of the Church's hierarchy - that gets lost in your rabid determination to debase all things religious. Not that you care of course.
Whatever, Myron. When the church comes clean, I'll lay off, OK?

Now fuck off.
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D1B wrote:
GannonFan wrote:
If you actually cared about all those kids that would be one thing, but you come off as just a religion-hating, religious believer hating idealogue. Maybe you should leave all this for those who actually care about the kids whose lives have been so devastated by the despicable and heinous acts of the Church's hierarchy - that gets lost in your rabid determination to debase all things religious. Not that you care of course.
Whatever, Myron. When the church comes clean, I'll lay off, OK?

Now fuck off.

But, I believe they have come clean. The last two popes have acknowledged the problem and most of what we hear now is the stuff bubbling up from the, often, distant past. They are doing something about it. Being a massive, far-flung enterprise, it will take a lot of time to clear up. I just see the need for continuous bashings anymore. We're making friends into enemies here. My opinion only.

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D1B wrote:
GannonFan wrote:
If you actually cared about all those kids that would be one thing, but you come off as just a religion-hating, religious believer hating idealogue. Maybe you should leave all this for those who actually care about the kids whose lives have been so devastated by the despicable and heinous acts of the Church's hierarchy - that gets lost in your rabid determination to debase all things religious. Not that you care of course.
Whatever, Myron. When the church comes clean, I'll lay off, OK?

Now **** off.
I don't believe that for a second - your cause here is to libel religion and the people who are religious as often and as vitroilic as you can - I don't believe you care one iota about the victims in these cases, just so far as you can advance your cause of demeaning religion. As long as religion exists, I'm sure you'll be posting in opposition to it.
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D1B wrote:
Whatever, Myron. When the church comes clean, I'll lay off, OK?

Now **** off.
I don't believe that for a second - your cause here is to libel religion and the people who are religious as often and as vitroilic as you can - I don't believe you care one iota about the victims in these cases, just so far as you can advance your cause of demeaning religion. As long as religion exists, I'm sure you'll be posting in opposition to it.

Wrong again. As long as religion fucks up and intrudes on our freedoms, i'll be posting in opposition to it.

It's front page news, every day, asshole, and this is a political forum.

For christ's fucking sakes, we're one blowjob away from a fucking mormon being the leader of the free world. :shock: :ohno:

You're delusional if you don't see the immediate danger of religion to humanity.
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Re: U.S. Catholic Church says child abuse cases rose in 2011

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Cap'n Cat wrote:
D1B wrote:
Whatever, Myron. When the church comes clean, I'll lay off, OK?

Now fuck off.

But, I believe they have come clean. The last two popes have acknowledged the problem and most of what we hear now is the stuff bubbling up from the, often, distant past. They are doing something about it. Being a massive, far-flung enterprise, it will take a lot of time to clear up. I just see the need for continuous bashings anymore. We're making friends into enemies here. My opinion only.

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They have done nothing substantial or voluntary. They've not cooperated with law enforcement and the people responsible for the cover up have not been brought to justice.

The stuff, bubbling up from the past are people who were raped as children and according to the catholics, some 90% are deemed valid, which means it's probably closer to 100%, cuz they're fucking proven liars.

Just in the last few years massive scandals involving torture, physical and sexual abuse have "bubbled up" in Ireland and almost all of Europe. Thousands of Native American children raped and beaten by Jesuit sadists in America and Canada, and major dioceses going bankrupt every year.
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Re: U.S. Catholic Church says child abuse cases rose in 2011

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D1B wrote:
GannonFan wrote:
I don't believe that for a second - your cause here is to libel religion and the people who are religious as often and as vitroilic as you can - I don't believe you care one iota about the victims in these cases, just so far as you can advance your cause of demeaning religion. As long as religion exists, I'm sure you'll be posting in opposition to it.

Wrong again. As long as religion fucks up and intrudes on our freedoms, i'll be posting in opposition to it.

It's front page news, every day, asshole, and this is a political forum.

For christ's fucking sakes, we're one blowjob away from a fucking mormon being the leader of the free world. :shock: :ohno:

You're delusional if you don't see the immediate danger of religion to humanity.
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/09/26/us/26 ... wanted=all" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Four former members of a youth group he runs have accused him of repeatedly coercing them into homosexual sex acts, and of abusing his considerable moral authority over them while plying them with cash, new cars, lodging and lavish trips.
~ Baptist

http://www.stopbaptistpredators.org/news.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;


HOw come you don't post about assholes like Creflo Dollar?


That's right, they aren't Catholics.

D1B, Where did your minister touch you?
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Re: U.S. Catholic Church says child abuse cases rose in 2011

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Ibanez wrote:
D1B wrote:

Wrong again. As long as religion fucks up and intrudes on our freedoms, i'll be posting in opposition to it.

It's front page news, every day, asshole, and this is a political forum.

For christ's fucking sakes, we're one blowjob away from a fucking mormon being the leader of the free world. :shock: :ohno:

You're delusional if you don't see the immediate danger of religion to humanity.
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/09/26/us/26 ... wanted=all" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Four former members of a youth group he runs have accused him of repeatedly coercing them into homosexual sex acts, and of abusing his considerable moral authority over them while plying them with cash, new cars, lodging and lavish trips.
~ Baptist

http://www.stopbaptistpredators.org/news.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;


HOw come you don't post about assholes like Creflo Dollar?


That's right, they aren't Catholics.

D1B, Where did your minister touch you?
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Addressed this before, Dumb Fuck. I'll take the catholics, YOU handle the baptists and jews.

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