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EPA Bullying mom & pop...

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The Supreme Court agreed to hear the sadly representative case of an Idaho couple dragged through the ringer by our aggressive, money-hungry, bullying EPA. It’s essentially a due process case, intended to settle the narrow question of whether or not individuals should have immediate access to the judicial system when the EPA takes action against them. But there’s more here, because the saga of Mike and Chantell Sackett is a harrowing tale that illustrates just how out of control this agency is.

You can read all about the Sacketts’ fight at the Pacific Legal Foundation website. In brief, the story is this: Six years ago, the couple bought a 0.63 acre parcel alongside a lake, intending to build a house. They started construction, and – like any number of individuals (as opposed to developers) building homes – they didn’t do a formal wetlands delineation before starting to move earth and dump gravel. (A “wetlands delineation” is the investigative process by which experts decide whether there is a wetland on site on not.)

At this point, I need to veer off of the main story for a moment to describe what a wetland is as far as regulators are concerned. Not surprisingly, the regulatory definition of a wetland has little to do with the common sense definition.

First of all, a wetland need not actually be wet. It is rather primarily defined by hydrography (i.e. water flow patterns), soil classification and the type of vegetation present. In my career, I have seen it determined that a couple of tire ruts with a few cattails growing in them are “wetlands.”

For a wetland to be regulated, it must also be connected to “waters of the United States,” which are basically any navigable river, lake or other body of water. Thus, in my tire rut example, the ruts were determined to be part of waters of the United States because they drained into a ditch, which ran into a creek, which ran into a small river, which eventually drained into the Chicago Sanitary and Ship Canal, which drains into the Des Plaines River​, which drains into the Illinois River​, which is a navigable water way. So there you go.

When most people think of wetlands protection, they think of big swamps and fens teaming with aquatic birds and beavers engaged in wholly unregulated construction projects. That happens, but much more often wetland protection is about tire ruts, tiny pools or a smattering of cat tails on the edge of a pond. It’s regulation for regulation’s sake, in other words, for delving into such minutia does nothing to improve the world. The EPA, Army Corps of Engineers and Congress are all at fault here: Congress for granting the Agency and Corps such broad authority and the two regulatory bodies for wielding it so grandiosely.

Back to the Sacketts. The couple got sucked into this surreal world. The EPA ordered them to stop construction and to return the 0.63 acre site to its original condition. If they didn’t, the EPA said it could fine the couple up to $37,500 per day for non-compliance. In fact, the Agency can take such unjustifiably punitive action, for such is the power that Congress has surrendered to it. Unfortunately, it’s not at all unusual to see the EPA use its remarkable ability to levy ridiculous fines as a club in just this way.

Here we come to a rather interesting nuance of the underlying law. The EPA maintains that, under the Clean Water Act there can be no judicial appeal of its ruling that the Sacketts’ property contains a wetland until and unless the EPA actually takes action – in the form of a fine or permit denial, for example. So, simply by doing nothing, the EPA can effectively kill this (or any) project. If the couple defies the Agency’s cease and desist order, they know that they are potentially subject to huge fines. Once the penalty demand comes in they can appeal the EPA’s decision to a court, but there’s absolutely no guarantee that they would win. Thus, the Sacketts face the uncomfortable choice of building and playing Russian Roulette with their life savings, or not building and abandoning both their dream and their property.
This ban on pre-enforcement judicial review is a powerful tool that the EPA uses on a routine basis. It’s the regulatory equivalent of racketeering in a way. The Pacific Legal Foundation argues that people shouldn’t have to wait for the Agency to decide to act before acquiring some certainty. That doesn’t seem an unreasonable request, even if settling that question does not address the larger issue of overly restrictive wetlands determinations.

Predictably, environmental groups went into full Straw Man construction project mode to explain why bullying a couple trying to build their dream home is really a good thing. From a story in the Washington Post:
The danger of a Sackett victory, said Lawrence M. Levine, a senior lawyer at the Natural Resources Defense Council, is that it could allow major polluters to tie up the EPA in litigation.

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“It’s really a war against federal regulation of any kind,” he added.
There’s simply no merit to either of Levine’s statements. None at all. It’s not surprising that Levine would think in terms of tying up the EPA in litigation, since that’s his organization’s modus operandi when they don’t get what they want, but suggesting that this will give major polluters (whoever they are supposed to be) a get-out-of-jail-free card is ludicrous. This is about restoring some sort of balance to a system that – thanks to the efforts of groups like NRDC – has been badly out of balance for quite some time.

Likewise, the silly argument that this is a war against all federal regulation of any kind ought to be beneath even so biased a critic as Levine. People understand that we need environmental protection and we need to look out for worker safety and we need to have speed limits and countless other measures designed to keep us safe and healthy. That said, it doesn’t follow that we should hand a blank check to every agency that’s entrusted with doing these things. Saying that you are for reasonable regulation, does not mean you are against regulation of any kind.
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More job/industry destroying bullshit from the White House and EPA.

Where will Obama side on mud puddles?

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If jobs are on President Obama's mind, he should care about the U.S. logging industry. In 46 of the 50 states, forestry ranks in the top 10 manufacturing industries. It employs about 2.5 million Americans and pays $87 billion in wages annually. Its annual sales are $230 billion, including exports of roughly $35 billion.

Those jobs and that revenue now face a man-made crisis -- more specifically, a Big Green environmentalist-made crisis. Obama's administration could weigh in on either side.

For 35 years, the Environmental Protection Agency has understood silviculture -- the act of harvesting trees, as opposed to processing them -- to be an agricultural activity, not a manufacturing one. The distinction is vital because of particulars in the Clean Water Act. Runoff from "point-source" manufacturing facilities (including saw mills) is closely regulated. Permits are required, and an involved monitoring and remediation process is prescribed.

On the other hand, the "natural runoff" from forest roads -- basically mud puddles that accumulate in ditches -- has never required such permits or monitoring. It is cared for through what is known as "best management practices."

But in the case Georgia-Pacific West Inc. v. Northwest Environmental Defense Center, the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals turned this long-standing rule on its head. The court said that the EPA has been misinterpreting its own rules for 35 years, and that, in fact, forest roads must be regulated in similar fashion to factories and power plants.

The Ninth Circuit decision, if upheld, would crush forestry in the Pacific Northwest. As Democratic Sen. Ron Wyden of Oregon put it, "One court would shut down forestry on private, state and tribal lands by subjecting it to the same, endless cycle of litigation."

The many millions of dollars needed to obtain EPA permits ($160 million in Washington state alone) are actually the easy part. The hard part begins with the monitoring and remediation of mud puddles along tens of thousands of miles of forest roads.

It ends in the courtroom, where the Clean Water Act's citizen lawsuit provision would allow anyone to drag foresters, landowners or local governments any time a puddle is improperly neglected.

The Clean Water Act has historically empowered well-funded Big Green environmental groups to tie up industrial activity in court. Other provisions of federal law force taxpayers to pay them any time they succeed.

The Ninth Circuit's ruling could empower them to shut down entire forests and many livelihoods. Imagine trying to do business, knowing that at any moment, a well-funded group of litigious environmentalists -- like the plaintiffs in this case -- could shut you down.

Georgia-Pacific is headed to the Supreme Court, which will decide in June whether to hear it. It has asked Obama's solicitor general for his position.

So far in the litigation process, the Obama EPA and Justice Department have sided with the industry, adhering to the traditional, 35-year-old interpretation of EPA rules. But in its most recent brief, the federal government's lawyers included a curious passage that has caused a small panic among the logging industry's legal team.

It essentially asserts that EPA has never before officially stated its decades-old position in writing, that runoff collected in man-made roadside ditches counts as "natural runoff."

Tim Bishop, the attorney who will argue the case before the Supreme Court if it receives a hearing, told me this statement is factually false, and that it nearly disowns the position that EPA has always taken.

"They seem to be backing off," he said.


Is Obama preparing to ditch another decades-old precedent, as he did with the rules concerning union elections in the airline industry? Might he side with his Big Green environmentalist political allies once again, as he did with the Keystone XL pipeline, and thus sacrifice large numbers of private-sector jobs that cost taxpayers nothing?
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Do mud guppies/snails even matter?
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grizzaholic wrote:Do mud guppies/snails even matter?
In the final analysis: No. If those who study such things are correct all life on Earth will be gone within a billion years due to increasing radiant energy from the sun. If the estimates of how long life on Earth has been around are correct and that estimate is as well, that means the tenure of life on Earth is well past its halfway point.

Every species is destined for extinction. Why does it matter if it happens now or a million years from now? It's going to happen.

The emotional attachment we have to sustaining the existence of species is irrational.
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SCOTUS Opens Door for Citizens to Sue EPA In Self Defense

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EPA no longer allowed to bully and intimidate people with impunity!!!

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/03 ... -over-epa/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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Next, allow citizens to sue EPA and its employees for damages resulting from negligence or reckless indifference.

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WASHINGTON – The Supreme Court has come forcefully down on the side of an Idaho couple in its fight against the Environmental Protection Agency, unanimously ruling Wednesday that the couple can challenge an EPA order to stop construction of their home on property designated a wetland.

Mike and Chantell Sackett bought their land near a scenic lake for $25,000, but when they decided to build a property there in 2007, the EPA ordered a halt, saying the Clean Water Act requires that wetlands not be disturbed without a permit.

They've been fighting for the right to challenge the decision in court for several years, and facing millions of dollars in fines over the land.

The couple complained there was no reasonable way to challenge the order, and noted they don't know why the EPA concluded there are wetlands on their lot, which is surrounded by a residential neighborhood with sewer lines and homes.

In an opinion written by Justice Antonin Scalia, the court ruled the EPA cannot impose fines that could be as much as $75,000 a day without giving property owners the ability to challenge its actions.

The ruling allows the couple to challenge the EPA head-on in court, but the real battle begins now. The case has brought attention to the EPA's reach. While the court only allowed a challenge to be brought, in a concurring opinion, Justice Samuel Alito noted that the law allowing EPA to demand compliance is overly broad.

"The reach of the Clean Water Act is notoriously unclear. Any piece of land that is wet at least part of the year is in danger of being classified by EPA employees as wetlands covered by the act, and according to the federal government, if property owners begin to construct a home on a lot that the agency thinks possesses the requisite wetness, the property owners are at the agency's mercy," Alito wrote.

"The court's decision provides a modest measure of relief," he added. "But the combination of the uncertain reach of the Clean Water Act and the draconian penalties imposed for the sort of violations alleged in this case still leaves most property owners with little practical alternative but to dance to the EPA's tune. Real relief requires Congress to do what it should have done in the first place: provide a reasonably clear rule regarding the reach of the Clean Water Act."

The couple, which termed the battle "David versus Goliath," has earned support from several lawmakers who want to reduce the grasp of the EPA on private property. Reps. Raul Labrador, R-Idaho, Sen. Rand Paul, R-Ky., and Idaho Republican Sens. Mike Crapo and Jim Risch, all joined the Chantells and other couples in a forum last fall about limiting EPA authority.

Labrador congratulated the Sacketts after the ruling.

"The federal government is an intimidating force against ordinary citizens, and standing up to its bureaucracy requires extraordinary bravery. Thanks to the unwavering courage and selfless sacrifice of the Sacketts, Americans everywhere will be guaranteed the right to appeal a decision imposed by a government agency. Their victory also safeguards individual property rights against the encroachment of the federal government, a fundamental assurance of our Constitution," he said.
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Good to see unanimity on the SCOTUS in the Sackett case. :nod: :thumb:
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grizzaholic wrote:Do mud guppies/snails even matter?
Only if you like fish, which I do. So thank you EPA :thumb:
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You know when the SCOTUS unanimously rules 9-0 against the EPA in the Sackett case :clap: that the f'ing NAZIS at the EPA were WAY overstepping their authority.
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EPA caught hiding illegal lobbyist communications

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Said it before...

...the EPA is run by crooks and liars:

http://www.eenews.net/stories/1059986068

Go back and look who Obama brought in to run the EPA, Lisa Jackson, and his "environmental czar", Carol Browner. Both belong in Gitmo pending trial for treason.
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travelinman67 wrote:Said it before...

...the EPA is run by crooks and liars:

http://www.eenews.net/stories/1059986068

Go back and look who Obama brought in to run the EPA, Lisa Jackson, and his "environmental czar", Carol Browner. Both belong in Gitmo pending trial for treason.
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kalm wrote:
travelinman67 wrote:Said it before...

...the EPA is run by crooks and liars:

http://www.eenews.net/stories/1059986068

Go back and look who Obama brought in to run the EPA, Lisa Jackson, and his "environmental czar", Carol Browner. Both belong in Gitmo pending trial for treason.
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River Otters were near extinct in King county 30 years ago...
Due to a few simple regulations they are going strong today
Otters are an excellent measure of the general health of wetland ecosystems

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Fuck the EPA and ELF and anyone that is against logging.
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grizzaholic wrote:Fuck the EPA and ELF and anyone that is against logging.

Jizzaholic = dumb fucking idiot.
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grizzaholic wrote:**** the EPA and ELF and anyone that is against logging.
Stupid conk fvck. :tothehand:

If you cut down the trees where will the wolves live?
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travelinman67 wrote:So...

...the bureaucratic pollution flowing unchecked from the New Obama EPA seems to produce daily nuggets of nanny state nonsense. Rather than starting a new thread for each one, this thread will provide a place for posters to hold EPA's feet to the fire of rational sanity.

Beginning with today's butthead nuggett...

EPA classifies milk as oil, forcing costly rules on farmers

Updated Thursday, June 16, 2010
Monica Scott The Grand Rapids Press

http://www.mlive.com/news/grand-rapids/ ... l_for.html
GRAND RAPIDS -- Having watched the oil gushing in the Gulf of Mexico, dairy farmer Frank Konkel has a hard time seeing how spilled milk can be labeled the same kind of environmental hazard.

But the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) is classifying milk as oil because it contains a percentage of animal fat, which is a non-petroleum oil.

The Hesperia farmer and others would be required to develop and implement spill prevention plans for milk storage tanks. The rules are set to take effect in November, though that date might be pushed back.

"That could get expensive quickly," Konkel said. "We have a serious problem in the Gulf. Milk is a wholesome product that does not equate to spilling oil."

But last week environmentalists disagreed at a Senate committee hearing on a resolution from Sen. Wayne Kuipers, R-Holland, calling for the EPA to rescind its ruling.

"The federal Clean Water Act requirements were meant to protect the environment from petroleum-based oils, not milk," he said. "I think it is an example of federal government gone amuck."


But Gayle Miller, legislative director of Sierra Club Michigan Chapter, said agricultural pollution probably is the nation's most severe chronic problem when it comes to water pollution.

"Milk is wholesome in a child's body. It is devastating in a waterway," Miller said. "The fact that it's biodegradable is irrelevant if people die as a result of cryptosporidium, beaches close for E. coli and fish are killed."

Miller said "big agriculture" is constantly trying to be exempted from environmental regulations at the state and federal level. She was disappointed to learn the EPA told The Press it "expects shortly to issue a notice to extend the date for milk storage tanks to comply with SPCC (Spill Prevention Control and Countermeasure) regulations."

Also, the International Dairy Foods Association said it has learned the EPA will exempt the industry from the rule.

But state lawmakers say they won't let up until that is official.

Konkel, who also spoke at the Senate hearing, co-owns Silver Sky Dairy, with his wife, Shari, and a brother-in-law and his wife. They have 300 milking cows on about 800 acres and a 5,000-gallon tank that keeps their milk cool.

The regulations apply to farms that store more than 1,320 gallons in above-ground containers or more than 42,000 gallons in buried containers.

In May, U.S. Rep. Candice Miller, R-Mount Clemens, introduced legislation, co-sponsored by Rep. Pete Hoekstra, R-Holland, that prohibits enforcement of the EPA's regulations on dairy and dairy product producers, processors, handlers and distributors.

"This is an example of where we have overreach by the department that defies common sense," said Matt Smego, legislative counsel for Michigan Farm Bureau.

Smego said its an unnecessary regulatory burden that creates additional costs. He said it could cost $2,500 for a certified engineer to safeguard milk, plus more to construct secondary containment structures.

Michigan has 2,299 dairy farms. According to the Michigan Department of Agriculture, dairy is the leading segment of Michigan's agricultural industry, providing a $5.1 billion impact on the state's economy.
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Chizzang wrote:
kalm wrote:
I went sport fishing today and not a single government agent was there to stop me. :ohno:
River Otters were near extinct in King county 30 years ago...
Due to a few simple regulations they are going strong today
Otters are an excellent measure of the general health of wetland ecosystems

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houndawg wrote:
travelinman67 wrote:So...

...the bureaucratic pollution flowing unchecked from the New Obama EPA seems to produce daily nuggets of nanny state nonsense. Rather than starting a new thread for each one, this thread will provide a place for posters to hold EPA's feet to the fire of rational sanity.

Beginning with today's butthead nuggett...

EPA classifies milk as oil, forcing costly rules on farmers

Updated Thursday, June 16, 2010
Monica Scott The Grand Rapids Press

http://www.mlive.com/news/grand-rapids/ ... l_for.html



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Fvcking ingrate. He wouldn't be in business at all without his government subsidies. :ohno:
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Re: EPA Watch

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travelinman67 wrote:EPA Bullying mom & pop...

http://frontpagemag.com/2012/01/04/obamas-epa-on-trial/
The Supreme Court agreed to hear the sadly representative case of an Idaho couple dragged through the ringer by our aggressive, money-hungry, bullying EPA. It’s essentially a due process case, intended to settle the narrow question of whether or not individuals should have immediate access to the judicial system when the EPA takes action against them. But there’s more here, because the saga of Mike and Chantell Sackett is a harrowing tale that illustrates just how out of control this agency is.

You can read all about the Sacketts’ fight at the Pacific Legal Foundation website. In brief, the story is this: Six years ago, the couple bought a 0.63 acre parcel alongside a lake, intending to build a house. They started construction, and – like any number of individuals (as opposed to developers) building homes – they didn’t do a formal wetlands delineation before starting to move earth and dump gravel. (A “wetlands delineation” is the investigative process by which experts decide whether there is a wetland on site on not.)

At this point, I need to veer off of the main story for a moment to describe what a wetland is as far as regulators are concerned. Not surprisingly, the regulatory definition of a wetland has little to do with the common sense definition.

First of all, a wetland need not actually be wet. It is rather primarily defined by hydrography (i.e. water flow patterns), soil classification and the type of vegetation present. In my career, I have seen it determined that a couple of tire ruts with a few cattails growing in them are “wetlands.”

For a wetland to be regulated, it must also be connected to “waters of the United States,” which are basically any navigable river, lake or other body of water. Thus, in my tire rut example, the ruts were determined to be part of waters of the United States because they drained into a ditch, which ran into a creek, which ran into a small river, which eventually drained into the Chicago Sanitary and Ship Canal, which drains into the Des Plaines River​, which drains into the Illinois River​, which is a navigable water way. So there you go.

When most people think of wetlands protection, they think of big swamps and fens teaming with aquatic birds and beavers engaged in wholly unregulated construction projects. That happens, but much more often wetland protection is about tire ruts, tiny pools or a smattering of cat tails on the edge of a pond. It’s regulation for regulation’s sake, in other words, for delving into such minutia does nothing to improve the world. The EPA, Army Corps of Engineers and Congress are all at fault here: Congress for granting the Agency and Corps such broad authority and the two regulatory bodies for wielding it so grandiosely.

Back to the Sacketts. The couple got sucked into this surreal world. The EPA ordered them to stop construction and to return the 0.63 acre site to its original condition. If they didn’t, the EPA said it could fine the couple up to $37,500 per day for non-compliance. In fact, the Agency can take such unjustifiably punitive action, for such is the power that Congress has surrendered to it. Unfortunately, it’s not at all unusual to see the EPA use its remarkable ability to levy ridiculous fines as a club in just this way.

Here we come to a rather interesting nuance of the underlying law. The EPA maintains that, under the Clean Water Act there can be no judicial appeal of its ruling that the Sacketts’ property contains a wetland until and unless the EPA actually takes action – in the form of a fine or permit denial, for example. So, simply by doing nothing, the EPA can effectively kill this (or any) project. If the couple defies the Agency’s cease and desist order, they know that they are potentially subject to huge fines. Once the penalty demand comes in they can appeal the EPA’s decision to a court, but there’s absolutely no guarantee that they would win. Thus, the Sacketts face the uncomfortable choice of building and playing Russian Roulette with their life savings, or not building and abandoning both their dream and their property.
This ban on pre-enforcement judicial review is a powerful tool that the EPA uses on a routine basis. It’s the regulatory equivalent of racketeering in a way. The Pacific Legal Foundation argues that people shouldn’t have to wait for the Agency to decide to act before acquiring some certainty. That doesn’t seem an unreasonable request, even if settling that question does not address the larger issue of overly restrictive wetlands determinations.

Predictably, environmental groups went into full Straw Man construction project mode to explain why bullying a couple trying to build their dream home is really a good thing. From a story in the Washington Post:



There’s simply no merit to either of Levine’s statements. None at all. It’s not surprising that Levine would think in terms of tying up the EPA in litigation, since that’s his organization’s modus operandi when they don’t get what they want, but suggesting that this will give major polluters (whoever they are supposed to be) a get-out-of-jail-free card is ludicrous. This is about restoring some sort of balance to a system that – thanks to the efforts of groups like NRDC – has been badly out of balance for quite some time.

Likewise, the silly argument that this is a war against all federal regulation of any kind ought to be beneath even so biased a critic as Levine. People understand that we need environmental protection and we need to look out for worker safety and we need to have speed limits and countless other measures designed to keep us safe and healthy. That said, it doesn’t follow that we should hand a blank check to every agency that’s entrusted with doing these things. Saying that you are for reasonable regulation, does not mean you are against regulation of any kind.
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River Otters were near extinct in King county 30 years ago...
Due to a few simple regulations they are going strong today
Otters are an excellent measure of the general health of wetland ecosystems

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Today, thanks to the EPA and organizations like Bobby Kennedy jr.'s River Keepers, the mighty Spokane is returning to health. You can fly fish for native red band rainbow trout in the middle of the city.

God bless the EPA, god bless the River Keepers, and god bless America!
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Do tell. :coffee:
Didn't THINK you had anything to back up that statement.
Your military career - The United States Military is for the most part a welfare and jobs program for the poor. You would be dipping fries at Big Kahuna Burger without it.

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D1B wrote:
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Didn't THINK you had anything to back up that statement.
Your military career - The United States Military is for the most part a welfare and jobs program for the poor. You would be dipping fries at Big Kahuna Burger without it.

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As opposed to you, who IS dipping fries at Big Kahuna Burger. :coffee: :kisswink:
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Your military career - The United States Military is for the most part a welfare and jobs program for the poor. You would be dipping fries at Big Kahuna Burger without it.

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As opposed to you, who IS dipping fries at Big Kahuna Burger. :coffee: :kisswink:
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kalm wrote:
houndawg wrote:
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Back in the early 70's, the Spokane River, like many rivers across the country was polluted to the point where you could set it on fire. It was sterile and almost completely devoid of aquatic life.

Today, thanks to the EPA and organizations like Bobby Kennedy jr.'s River Keepers, the mighty Spokane is returning to health. You can fly fish for native red band rainbow trout in the middle of the city.

God bless the EPA, god bless the River Keepers, and god bless America!
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