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youngterrier wrote:
AZGrizFan wrote:
You're exactly right, D. We conks are laughing our asses off at the foaming-at-the-mouth-fear-mongering-al-gore-worshiping-hockey-stick motherfuckers on this site like YT who keep us entertained.
I've never posted any predictions about global warming. Al Gore is an alarmist, and uses hyperbole to try to get a point across. His doomsday predictions are not what any scientist thinks will happen outside of the next 10,000 years or so. That doesn't take away from the reality of climate change.
I don't believe anyone has argued the point of whether the climate is actually changing. :coffee:
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AZGrizFan wrote:
D1B wrote:
OOOOOOOKAY, Conky, whatever you say... :thumb:
I just think it's funny to watch you fellas get so worked up about this....so damned frustrated when you just can't seem to change someone's mind!
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Reminds me of ralph over on AGS who used to foam at the mouth about this as "settled science". :rofl: Hell, we haven't even seen the tip of the iceberg yet (see what I did there?) :kisswink:
It's settled science.
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AZGrizFan wrote:
youngterrier wrote: I've never posted any predictions about global warming. Al Gore is an alarmist, and uses hyperbole to try to get a point across. His doomsday predictions are not what any scientist thinks will happen outside of the next 10,000 years or so. That doesn't take away from the reality of climate change.
I don't believe anyone has argued the point of whether the climate is actually changing. :coffee:
BDK does :lol:

but seriously, I know this, but the debate is how not if, and I think there is good evidence to think we are at least partly responsible. What I don't like is dumbasses like BDK, whom have the science education of a 3rd grader trying to "refute" a credible theory with straw men and other falsehoods. Not once has he not used legitimate science as an argument, in fact he's only used falsehoods like "scientists said _______" (when the didn't) and essentially "Let me tell you about this science I don't understand" to make a point "point."

I prefer discussion Tman and SG have brought up, at least it's educational and thought provoking.
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D1B wrote:
AZGrizFan wrote:
I just think it's funny to watch you fellas get so worked up about this....so damned frustrated when you just can't seem to change someone's mind!
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Reminds me of ralph over on AGS who used to foam at the mouth about this as "settled science". :rofl: Hell, we haven't even seen the tip of the iceberg yet (see what I did there?) :kisswink:
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D1B wrote:
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I just think it's funny to watch you fellas get so worked up about this....so damned frustrated when you just can't seem to change someone's mind!
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Reminds me of ralph over on AGS who used to foam at the mouth about this as "settled science". :rofl: Hell, we haven't even seen the tip of the iceberg yet (see what I did there?) :kisswink:
It's settled science.
OK, Ralph. :rofl:
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It's settled science.
OK, Ralph. :rofl:
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OK, Ralph. :rofl:
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Ok, Z. :rofl:
I agree. You do have your head up Ralph's ass.
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Ok, Z. :rofl:
I agree. You do have your head up Ralph's ass.
I'm gonna beat you up at recess tomorrow. Meet me at the merry-go-round. :rofl:
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D1B wrote:
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I agree. You do have your head up Ralph's ass.
I'm gonna beat you up at recess tomorrow. Meet me at the merry-go-round. :rofl:
Fine. :tothehand:
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D1B wrote:
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I agree. You do have your head up Ralph's ass.
I'm gonna beat you up at recess tomorrow. Meet me at the merry-go-round. :rofl:
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travelinman67 wrote:In grade school, had two numbskulls like yourself who were always challenging me...

...I always insisted that we fight INSIDE the jungle jim cage...

...so they couldn't escape. 8-)
:coffee: :coffee: :coffee: :coffee:

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andy7171 wrote:YT makes a compelling case, his video's are narrated by a guy with an english accent. It must be the smarter one.
I don't know about british guys being smart, but chicks with british accents are hot. :nod:
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AZGrizFan wrote:
travelinman67 wrote:In grade school, had two numbskulls like yourself who were always challenging me...

...I always insisted that we fight INSIDE the jungle jim cage...

...so they couldn't escape. 8-)
:coffee: :coffee: :coffee: :coffee:

FYI, it's a jungle GYM. :kisswink:




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travelinman67 wrote:
AZGrizFan wrote: :coffee: :coffee: :coffee: :coffee:

FYI, it's a jungle GYM. :kisswink:


...though it was MY domain.
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AZGrizFan wrote:
travelinman67 wrote:In grade school, had two numbskulls like yourself who were always challenging me...

...I always insisted that we fight INSIDE the jungle jim cage...

...so they couldn't escape. 8-)
:coffee: :coffee: :coffee: :coffee:

FYI, it's a jungle GYM. :kisswink:
He meant Jungle Jim, the 1937 Grade School Fighting Champion.

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travelinman67 wrote:
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I'm gonna beat you up at recess tomorrow. Meet me at the merry-go-round. :rofl:
...reminds me that MMA and UFC owe me millions.

In grade school, had two numbskulls like yourself who were always challenging me...

...I always insisted that we fight INSIDE the jungle jim cage...

...so they couldn't escape. 8-)


I shoulda trademarked that "cage fighting" idea...damn! <sigh>


BTW... One grew up to become a security guard...who was eventually convicted of stealing. The other grew up and became a meth head...eventually being convicted for pimping his wife from a van parked behind an adult bookstore.

...their similarity to you, D, is spooky.

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youngterrier wrote:Okay, first off, the problem with the links posted is that they mention nothing of the 800 year lag.....

http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/ar ... ice-cores/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

http://www.sciencebits.com/IceCoreTruth" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

First off, I'm going to have to reject the premises of the faulty Ice core data, in terms of ice core data being fundamentally flawed, simply because I've googled "ice core controversy"and no one seems to deny the usefulness and accuracy of ice core data (including skeptics) except Jaworoski. Sorry, I mean, it's hard to address a controversy, when I'm unqualified to do so, and furthermore there doesn't seem to be a controversy.

Second of all, if you think I'm ignorant enough to think that man is the only cause of Climate change ever, you'd be wrong, and no scientist believes that either.
This. How many scientists speak in absolute terms like this Jaws fella? Maybe theirs no ice core controversy because his ideas were looked at...and laughed at.

Nice work YT. :clap:
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kalm wrote:
youngterrier wrote:Okay, first off, the problem with the links posted is that they mention nothing of the 800 year lag.....

http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/ar ... ice-cores/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

http://www.sciencebits.com/IceCoreTruth" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

First off, I'm going to have to reject the premises of the faulty Ice core data, in terms of ice core data being fundamentally flawed, simply because I've googled "ice core controversy"and no one seems to deny the usefulness and accuracy of ice core data (including skeptics) except Jaworoski. Sorry, I mean, it's hard to address a controversy, when I'm unqualified to do so, and furthermore there doesn't seem to be a controversy.

Second of all, if you think I'm ignorant enough to think that man is the only cause of Climate change ever, you'd be wrong, and no scientist believes that either.
This. How many scientists speak in absolute terms like this Jaws fella? Maybe theirs no ice core controversy because his ideas were looked at...and laughed at.

Nice work YT. :clap:
Or maybe because his findings and results don't match their ideology... :coffee:
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Baldy wrote:
kalm wrote:
This. How many scientists speak in absolute terms like this Jaws fella? Maybe theirs no ice core controversy because his ideas were looked at...and laughed at.

Nice work YT. :clap:
Or maybe because his findings and results don't match their ideology... :coffee:
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D1B wrote:Beats being a curmudgeonly, bitter old fuck who pisses in a bag, shits in diapers, prays to jesus, and hates anyone younger than 50....
Does Cappie pray?

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youngterrier wrote:
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You're exactly right, D. We conks are laughing our asses off at the foaming-at-the-mouth-fear-mongering-al-gore-worshiping-hockey-stick motherfuckers on this site like YT who keep us entertained.
I've never posted any predictions about global warming. Al Gore is an alarmist, and uses hyperbole to try to get a point across. His doomsday predictions are not what any scientist thinks will happen outside of the next 10,000 years or so. That doesn't take away from the reality of climate change.
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Reselling Climate Change to Voters Without Saying So

Written by Raven Clabough
Wednesday, 21 March 2012 13:02
Since the notion of manmade climate change has been debunked by a number of experts, the dialogue on the subject has undergone some dramatic changes. Rather than attempting to assert the truthfulness of manmade climate change, environmentalists and supporters of cap and trade have redirected the American people’s attention to high gas prices and the effects of pollutants on children, in the hopes that voters will be swayed to inadvertently elect global warming warriors to office.

“You don’t have to be James Carville to figure out that talking about people’s health and the health of their children … is going to make a difference to the average voter,” said Daniel Weiss, director of climate strategy at the Center for American Progress Action Fund.

Environmentalists have reportedly turned their attention to the Midwestern portion of the United States, focused on swing voters. The Sierra Club and the Natural Resources Defense Council (NRDC) has purchased an expensive advertisement to be shown in the swing states which features children breathing through asthma inhalers. The ad is intended to make the claim that a reduction in regulations for greenhouse emissions is directly related to incidences of asthma attacks.

“We’re going to talk a lot about the health implications of dirty air,” said Heather Taylor, director of NRDC’s political arm. “I think that the Midwest is one of those places where [there are] a million great clean energy stories, especially. And they’re not being told right now, because we’ve tended to be in other markets. That’s an area where we feel like it’s time to go tell those stories.”

The timing of the advertisement coordinates well with the release of poll numbers on public health and environmental regulations by the American Lung Association. According to the figures from that poll, the majority of respondents believe it is more important to ensure clean air quality than reduce unnecessary environmental regulations, 51 percent to 43 percent.

Notably, those figures change in battleground states such as Pennsylvania and Ohio, where the Lung Association noted it was less likely that voters in those states believe protecting air quality outweighs the need to rein in regulations. In Ohio, for example, the numbers were turned on their heads, with 51 percent supporting repealing regulations over 43 percent who believed ensuring clean air quality was more important.

The American Lung Association has also launched a multi-million-dollar campaign against Republican efforts to repeal environmental regulations.

“We are sort of stepping up our public advocacy on who’s standing up for clean air and who’s standing up for big polluters,” said ALA Assistant Vice President Peter Iwanowicz.

Politico notes the wisdom of the strategy:

Republicans have portrayed President Barack Obama and his minions at various federal agencies as job killers in a time of high unemployment and fragile economic growth. The left has figured out it needs a better message — one that’s more resonant on the local level — to combat the job-killer talk.

So melting glaciers are giving way to smog-induced asthma. And fuel-efficiency is now a matter of pump prices, not pollutants.

But industry attorney Scott Segal has called the advertisement a “new low,” and asserts that it exploits childhood asthma.

Sierra Club National Political Director Tony Cani notes that the issues being addressed in the advertisement and clean air campaigns are directly related to climate change without explicitly saying so. He explained, “When we’re talking about the immediate effects of some of these policies and some of these issues that will lead to climate change, they’re very serious too. We think that when we’re talking about [health] issues … we’re still talking about climate change,” he added. They “might not be using that word or that phrase.”

Advocates of the notion of manmade climate change have been forced to retreat from their assertions because significantly fewer Americans now believe in it following the Climategate scandal.

Americans grew wise to the climate change scheme when it became clear that progressives and Marxists were seizing upon claims that the planet is in peril to negotiate cap and trade and climate change policies. Through the formation of the Chicago Climate Exchange, coupled with the failed cap and trade bill, innocuously named the “American Power Act,” industrialized “wealthy” nations such as the United States would have had to pay for carbon credits. The process would have taken American wealth and redistributed it to the rest of the world.

Still, environmental activists have attempted to repackage the notion of climate change a number of times over the course of the last few decades in an effort to sell it and the radical agenda that comes with it to the American people. The dialogue on climate change has been dramatically transformed since it first entered the American political sphere. In the 1970s, the progressives first attempted to convince the country that “global cooling” was the immediate threat. But by the 1980s, scientists had refuted that theory, prompting the progressives to turn their attention to “global warming.” Now that “green” scientists are in the uncomfortable position of trying to reconcile increased ice formations at the southern polar cap, long periods of cooler temperatures, etc., with global-warming theories, they have renamed the environmental issue “climate change.”

Obama’s science czar John Holdren even went a step further, introducing another term that would allow environmentalists to talk about any climate phenomenon and still package it as climate change: “global climate disruption.”

It was during his lecture to the Kavli Prize Symposium on September 6 that Holdren first coined the expression “global climate disruption.” He discussed a variety of aspects related to global climate disruption, summing up the focus of his speech by explaining, “The problem is that the world is getting most of the energy its economies need in ways that are wrecking the climate its environment needs.” Holdren said it is a myth that the Earth is no longer warming, and described the phenomenon as “highly uniform, not just about temperature, rapid compared to capacities for adjustment, and harmful for most places and times.”

At the start of his lecture, Holdren explained the transition from “global warming” to “global climate disruption”: “Climate change means disruption of the patterns. Global average temperature is just an index of the state of the global climate as expressed in these patterns. Small changes in the index [lead to] big changes in the patterns.”

Obama’s Science Czar could not very well allow the issue of climate change to die, as it would thwart efforts to pass tyrannical measures such as the 2007 Energy Independence and Security Act, which regulates virtually every product produced in America, and Cap and Trade, a system that punishes thriving industrial economies by imposing a tax on whatever bureaucrats decide is an excessive use of carbon. For Holdren, the solutions do not end there. According to the 1973 book Human Ecology: Global Problems and Solutions, which Holdren co-authored, he has long supported government population control, by any means necessary, and the destruction of the American economy.

As Americans are now on alert to the radical environmental agenda, President Obama is in the delicate position of having to avoid taking an extreme environmentalist position. Democratic pollster Thom Riehle contends that Republicans will attempt to force Obama into taking such a position. He explains, “Once the administration issues a proposal to reduce carbon dioxide from power plants, I would expect that Republicans and their super PAC would pounce on that proposal with all their might.”

In the meantime, the Democrats may be embarking on a losing battle if they pursue an agenda that is based on cleaning up air quality, as polls show that the majority of adults are satisfied with air quality.
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travelinman67 wrote:
youngterrier wrote: I've never posted any predictions about global warming. Al Gore is an alarmist, and uses hyperbole to try to get a point across. His doomsday predictions are not what any scientist thinks will happen outside of the next 10,000 years or so. That doesn't take away from the reality of climate change.
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Reselling Climate Change to Voters Without Saying So

Written by Raven Clabough
Wednesday, 21 March 2012 13:02
Since the notion of manmade climate change has been debunked by a number of experts, the dialogue on the subject has undergone some dramatic changes. Rather than attempting to assert the truthfulness of manmade climate change, environmentalists and supporters of cap and trade have redirected the American people’s attention to high gas prices and the effects of pollutants on children, in the hopes that voters will be swayed to inadvertently elect global warming warriors to office.

“You don’t have to be James Carville to figure out that talking about people’s health and the health of their children … is going to make a difference to the average voter,” said Daniel Weiss, director of climate strategy at the Center for American Progress Action Fund.

Environmentalists have reportedly turned their attention to the Midwestern portion of the United States, focused on swing voters. The Sierra Club and the Natural Resources Defense Council (NRDC) has purchased an expensive advertisement to be shown in the swing states which features children breathing through asthma inhalers. The ad is intended to make the claim that a reduction in regulations for greenhouse emissions is directly related to incidences of asthma attacks.

“We’re going to talk a lot about the health implications of dirty air,” said Heather Taylor, director of NRDC’s political arm. “I think that the Midwest is one of those places where [there are] a million great clean energy stories, especially. And they’re not being told right now, because we’ve tended to be in other markets. That’s an area where we feel like it’s time to go tell those stories.”

The timing of the advertisement coordinates well with the release of poll numbers on public health and environmental regulations by the American Lung Association. According to the figures from that poll, the majority of respondents believe it is more important to ensure clean air quality than reduce unnecessary environmental regulations, 51 percent to 43 percent.

Notably, those figures change in battleground states such as Pennsylvania and Ohio, where the Lung Association noted it was less likely that voters in those states believe protecting air quality outweighs the need to rein in regulations. In Ohio, for example, the numbers were turned on their heads, with 51 percent supporting repealing regulations over 43 percent who believed ensuring clean air quality was more important.

The American Lung Association has also launched a multi-million-dollar campaign against Republican efforts to repeal environmental regulations.

“We are sort of stepping up our public advocacy on who’s standing up for clean air and who’s standing up for big polluters,” said ALA Assistant Vice President Peter Iwanowicz.

Politico notes the wisdom of the strategy:

Republicans have portrayed President Barack Obama and his minions at various federal agencies as job killers in a time of high unemployment and fragile economic growth. The left has figured out it needs a better message — one that’s more resonant on the local level — to combat the job-killer talk.

So melting glaciers are giving way to smog-induced asthma. And fuel-efficiency is now a matter of pump prices, not pollutants.

But industry attorney Scott Segal has called the advertisement a “new low,” and asserts that it exploits childhood asthma.

Sierra Club National Political Director Tony Cani notes that the issues being addressed in the advertisement and clean air campaigns are directly related to climate change without explicitly saying so. He explained, “When we’re talking about the immediate effects of some of these policies and some of these issues that will lead to climate change, they’re very serious too. We think that when we’re talking about [health] issues … we’re still talking about climate change,” he added. They “might not be using that word or that phrase.”

Advocates of the notion of manmade climate change have been forced to retreat from their assertions because significantly fewer Americans now believe in it following the Climategate scandal.

Americans grew wise to the climate change scheme when it became clear that progressives and Marxists were seizing upon claims that the planet is in peril to negotiate cap and trade and climate change policies. Through the formation of the Chicago Climate Exchange, coupled with the failed cap and trade bill, innocuously named the “American Power Act,” industrialized “wealthy” nations such as the United States would have had to pay for carbon credits. The process would have taken American wealth and redistributed it to the rest of the world.

Still, environmental activists have attempted to repackage the notion of climate change a number of times over the course of the last few decades in an effort to sell it and the radical agenda that comes with it to the American people. The dialogue on climate change has been dramatically transformed since it first entered the American political sphere. In the 1970s, the progressives first attempted to convince the country that “global cooling” was the immediate threat. But by the 1980s, scientists had refuted that theory, prompting the progressives to turn their attention to “global warming.” Now that “green” scientists are in the uncomfortable position of trying to reconcile increased ice formations at the southern polar cap, long periods of cooler temperatures, etc., with global-warming theories, they have renamed the environmental issue “climate change.”

Obama’s science czar John Holdren even went a step further, introducing another term that would allow environmentalists to talk about any climate phenomenon and still package it as climate change: “global climate disruption.”

It was during his lecture to the Kavli Prize Symposium on September 6 that Holdren first coined the expression “global climate disruption.” He discussed a variety of aspects related to global climate disruption, summing up the focus of his speech by explaining, “The problem is that the world is getting most of the energy its economies need in ways that are wrecking the climate its environment needs.” Holdren said it is a myth that the Earth is no longer warming, and described the phenomenon as “highly uniform, not just about temperature, rapid compared to capacities for adjustment, and harmful for most places and times.”

At the start of his lecture, Holdren explained the transition from “global warming” to “global climate disruption”: “Climate change means disruption of the patterns. Global average temperature is just an index of the state of the global climate as expressed in these patterns. Small changes in the index [lead to] big changes in the patterns.”

Obama’s Science Czar could not very well allow the issue of climate change to die, as it would thwart efforts to pass tyrannical measures such as the 2007 Energy Independence and Security Act, which regulates virtually every product produced in America, and Cap and Trade, a system that punishes thriving industrial economies by imposing a tax on whatever bureaucrats decide is an excessive use of carbon. For Holdren, the solutions do not end there. According to the 1973 book Human Ecology: Global Problems and Solutions, which Holdren co-authored, he has long supported government population control, by any means necessary, and the destruction of the American economy.

As Americans are now on alert to the radical environmental agenda, President Obama is in the delicate position of having to avoid taking an extreme environmentalist position. Democratic pollster Thom Riehle contends that Republicans will attempt to force Obama into taking such a position. He explains, “Once the administration issues a proposal to reduce carbon dioxide from power plants, I would expect that Republicans and their super PAC would pounce on that proposal with all their might.”

In the meantime, the Democrats may be embarking on a losing battle if they pursue an agenda that is based on cleaning up air quality, as polls show that the majority of adults are satisfied with air quality.
...like I keep demonstrating, YT...

...it's about politics and power, not science.

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I stopped reading after "debunked," considering that article is nothing but political bullshit and not anything science.

No serious scientist gives a prediction for climate change. There are multiple possibilities and outcomes. None of which I've endorsed
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travelinman67 wrote:
youngterrier wrote: I've never posted any predictions about global warming. Al Gore is an alarmist, and uses hyperbole to try to get a point across. His doomsday predictions are not what any scientist thinks will happen outside of the next 10,000 years or so. That doesn't take away from the reality of climate change.
Like THIS reality?

http://thenewamerican.com/tech-mainmenu ... -saying-so


Reselling Climate Change to Voters Without Saying So

Written by Raven Clabough
Wednesday, 21 March 2012 13:02
Since the notion of manmade climate change has been debunked by a number of experts, the dialogue on the subject has undergone some dramatic changes. Rather than attempting to assert the truthfulness of manmade climate change, environmentalists and supporters of cap and trade have redirected the American people’s attention to high gas prices and the effects of pollutants on children, in the hopes that voters will be swayed to inadvertently elect global warming warriors to office.

“You don’t have to be James Carville to figure out that talking about people’s health and the health of their children … is going to make a difference to the average voter,” said Daniel Weiss, director of climate strategy at the Center for American Progress Action Fund.

Environmentalists have reportedly turned their attention to the Midwestern portion of the United States, focused on swing voters. The Sierra Club and the Natural Resources Defense Council (NRDC) has purchased an expensive advertisement to be shown in the swing states which features children breathing through asthma inhalers. The ad is intended to make the claim that a reduction in regulations for greenhouse emissions is directly related to incidences of asthma attacks.

“We’re going to talk a lot about the health implications of dirty air,” said Heather Taylor, director of NRDC’s political arm. “I think that the Midwest is one of those places where [there are] a million great clean energy stories, especially. And they’re not being told right now, because we’ve tended to be in other markets. That’s an area where we feel like it’s time to go tell those stories.”

The timing of the advertisement coordinates well with the release of poll numbers on public health and environmental regulations by the American Lung Association. According to the figures from that poll, the majority of respondents believe it is more important to ensure clean air quality than reduce unnecessary environmental regulations, 51 percent to 43 percent.

Notably, those figures change in battleground states such as Pennsylvania and Ohio, where the Lung Association noted it was less likely that voters in those states believe protecting air quality outweighs the need to rein in regulations. In Ohio, for example, the numbers were turned on their heads, with 51 percent supporting repealing regulations over 43 percent who believed ensuring clean air quality was more important.

The American Lung Association has also launched a multi-million-dollar campaign against Republican efforts to repeal environmental regulations.

“We are sort of stepping up our public advocacy on who’s standing up for clean air and who’s standing up for big polluters,” said ALA Assistant Vice President Peter Iwanowicz.

Politico notes the wisdom of the strategy:

Republicans have portrayed President Barack Obama and his minions at various federal agencies as job killers in a time of high unemployment and fragile economic growth. The left has figured out it needs a better message — one that’s more resonant on the local level — to combat the job-killer talk.

So melting glaciers are giving way to smog-induced asthma. And fuel-efficiency is now a matter of pump prices, not pollutants.

But industry attorney Scott Segal has called the advertisement a “new low,” and asserts that it exploits childhood asthma.

Sierra Club National Political Director Tony Cani notes that the issues being addressed in the advertisement and clean air campaigns are directly related to climate change without explicitly saying so. He explained, “When we’re talking about the immediate effects of some of these policies and some of these issues that will lead to climate change, they’re very serious too. We think that when we’re talking about [health] issues … we’re still talking about climate change,” he added. They “might not be using that word or that phrase.”

Advocates of the notion of manmade climate change have been forced to retreat from their assertions because significantly fewer Americans now believe in it following the Climategate scandal.

Americans grew wise to the climate change scheme when it became clear that progressives and Marxists were seizing upon claims that the planet is in peril to negotiate cap and trade and climate change policies. Through the formation of the Chicago Climate Exchange, coupled with the failed cap and trade bill, innocuously named the “American Power Act,” industrialized “wealthy” nations such as the United States would have had to pay for carbon credits. The process would have taken American wealth and redistributed it to the rest of the world.

Still, environmental activists have attempted to repackage the notion of climate change a number of times over the course of the last few decades in an effort to sell it and the radical agenda that comes with it to the American people. The dialogue on climate change has been dramatically transformed since it first entered the American political sphere. In the 1970s, the progressives first attempted to convince the country that “global cooling” was the immediate threat. But by the 1980s, scientists had refuted that theory, prompting the progressives to turn their attention to “global warming.” Now that “green” scientists are in the uncomfortable position of trying to reconcile increased ice formations at the southern polar cap, long periods of cooler temperatures, etc., with global-warming theories, they have renamed the environmental issue “climate change.”

Obama’s science czar John Holdren even went a step further, introducing another term that would allow environmentalists to talk about any climate phenomenon and still package it as climate change: “global climate disruption.”

It was during his lecture to the Kavli Prize Symposium on September 6 that Holdren first coined the expression “global climate disruption.” He discussed a variety of aspects related to global climate disruption, summing up the focus of his speech by explaining, “The problem is that the world is getting most of the energy its economies need in ways that are wrecking the climate its environment needs.” Holdren said it is a myth that the Earth is no longer warming, and described the phenomenon as “highly uniform, not just about temperature, rapid compared to capacities for adjustment, and harmful for most places and times.”

At the start of his lecture, Holdren explained the transition from “global warming” to “global climate disruption”: “Climate change means disruption of the patterns. Global average temperature is just an index of the state of the global climate as expressed in these patterns. Small changes in the index [lead to] big changes in the patterns.”

Obama’s Science Czar could not very well allow the issue of climate change to die, as it would thwart efforts to pass tyrannical measures such as the 2007 Energy Independence and Security Act, which regulates virtually every product produced in America, and Cap and Trade, a system that punishes thriving industrial economies by imposing a tax on whatever bureaucrats decide is an excessive use of carbon. For Holdren, the solutions do not end there. According to the 1973 book Human Ecology: Global Problems and Solutions, which Holdren co-authored, he has long supported government population control, by any means necessary, and the destruction of the American economy.

As Americans are now on alert to the radical environmental agenda, President Obama is in the delicate position of having to avoid taking an extreme environmentalist position. Democratic pollster Thom Riehle contends that Republicans will attempt to force Obama into taking such a position. He explains, “Once the administration issues a proposal to reduce carbon dioxide from power plants, I would expect that Republicans and their super PAC would pounce on that proposal with all their might.”

In the meantime, the Democrats may be embarking on a losing battle if they pursue an agenda that is based on cleaning up air quality, as polls show that the majority of adults are satisfied with air quality.
...like I keep demonstrating, YT...

...it's about politics and power, not science.

:coffee:
Nice source, shitbag. :lol: :dunce:
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The John Birch Society :rofl:

Really, Tman!?
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85 today in Bangor, Maine......might hit 90 tomorrow.

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D, what part of the article is not accurate?

As I noted after the article, it's about politics, not science.

You quote shit from overtly racist, anti-American and anti-Christian organizations all the time.

So what?

It's politics or opinion.

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