Hack Holder Tries to Stop TX Voter ID law

[Bronco]

Thousands of felons, dead people still on Florida voter rolls
Orlando Sentinel ^ | September 18, 2010 | Sally Kestin, John Maines, Dana Williams and Scott Powers

Less than two months before the general election, Florida's voter-registration rolls still include thousands of dead people and felons who by law should have been removed.

Statewide, as many as 14,892 voters dead as long as two decades were still registered as of July. As many as 9,766 felons who have not gotten their voting rights restored under Florida law remain registered.
In Central Florida, the rolls still carry 1,515 felons, including convicted murderers, rapists, armed robbers and drug dealers, and 1,458 dead people.

The potential for election fraud in the names of dead voters is low, but ineligible felons have voted by the thousands in past elections and could decide close races on Nov. 2.
State elections officials pledged to clean up the rolls two years ago after a Sun Sentinel investigation found they included 28,000 people who had died and 33,000 ineligible felons.

More than half of those names were removed or deemed eligible voters. But the rest, along with newly added felons, remained on the rolls as of July, the most recent data available.

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[TwinTownBisonFan]

wow bronco - trotting out a whole host of posts on partisan sources...

very little of which has ever been validated in you know... the courts...

The minnesota source you cite had their "concerns" laughed out of court

[Bronco]

New White House Counsel tried to block ACORN investigation
The Examiner ^ | 11/13/2009 | Kevin Hall

Bauer worked for Obama on the 2008 campaign. During that time, he sent a letter to then-Attorney General Michael Mukasey arguing that ACORN should not be investigated for voter fraud. ACORN has admitted to more than 400,000 fraudulent voter registrations in 2008.

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[Cap'n Cat]

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Nevadans who arrived early to vote for Sharron Angle saw Harry Reid's name checked on the voting machines maintained by members of the Service Employees International Union. In other jurisdictions, voters showed up to find others had cast fraudulent absentee ballots in their names. Even those who didn't vote in places such as Troy, N.Y., found absentee ballots had been cast for them.

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Old Bronchitis is batting 1.000! Investors.com, a virulently anti-Obama online shithouse.



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[Bronco]

Conn. looking into voter cards submitted by ACORN
Hartford Courant ^ | 10-9-2008

HARTFORD, Conn. - The State Elections Enforcement Commission is looking into a complaint alleging that a community advocacy group submitted fraudulent voter registration cards in Bridgeport.

Joseph Borges, Bridgeport's Republican registrar of voters, filed the complaint. He said he has found problems with numerous voter registration cards submitted by the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now, or ACORN, which works to register low-income people.

In one instance, he says a card was filled out for a 7-year-old girl, whose age was listed as 27 on the card.

[GannonFan]

Still another Conkunist roll of ass wipe. Recognize the name?

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And that's the problem - the only people yapping about this tend to be the most partisan people in the room. On one hand you have TTBF and Wedge saying that people's rights are infringed if there is any requirement at all to actually be the person you say you are and then on the other hand you have Bronco listing questionable source material to prove the other side of the argument.

The system is broken and there are more loopholes in our system than in even 3rd world nations. Let's just fix it and move on.

[Cap'n Cat]

New White House Counsel tried to block ACORN investigation
The Examiner ^ | 11/13/2009 | Kevin Hall

Bauer worked for Obama on the 2008 campaign. During that time, he sent a letter to then-Attorney General Michael Mukasey arguing that ACORN should not be investigated for voter fraud. ACORN has admitted to more than 400,000 fraudulent voter registrations in 2008.

(Excerpt) Read more at examiner.com ...

examiner.com, too!!!

And they bitch about Wikipedia!

[Cap'n Cat]

Still another Conkunist roll of ass wipe. Recognize the name?

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And that's the problem - the only people yapping about this tend to be the most partisan people in the room. On one hand you have TTBF and Wedge saying that people's rights are infringed if there is any requirement at all to actually be the person you say you are and then on the other hand you have Bronco listing questionable source material to prove the other side of the argument.

The system is broken and there are more loopholes in our system than in even 3rd world nations. Let's just fix it and move on.

Let's you and I join up and run for office, Ganny. I'l be the out front face of the ticket and you be the brains behind the scenes! We can't lose!!! I'll be Reagan, you'll be my Atwater.

[Bronco]

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Pretty easy to find "progressive" fraud

BHO worked for the corrupt acorn...he taught this type of corruption



Can you imagine how many go unreported

Please post your conservatives caught on voter fraud stories here

I found more if you would like me to keep posting

[Cap'n Cat]

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Pretty easy to find "progressive" fraud

BHO worked for the corrupt acorn...he taught this type of corruption



Can you imagine how many go unreported

Please post your conservatives caught on voter fraud stories here

I found more if you would like me to keep posting

Just use "normal" recognized sources, Broncky!!

[SeattleGriz]

wow bronco - trotting out a whole host of posts on partisan sources...

very little of which has ever been validated in you know... the courts...

The minnesota source you cite had their "concerns" laughed out of court

Where else is he to find any research. The Donks are perfectly saying nothing happened as long as it keeps helping them.

[Cap'n Cat]

Hey, Broncky, I'm just like you! I can dig up "Shit" to counter anything you say.

Check this out:

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The GOP's ACORN
'Voter Fraud' Hoax
(2008 Version)

The seeds for this scam had been planted long ago. But by the GOP, not by ACORN. See our Special Coverage page of the GOP's "American Center for Voting Rights" front group, formed in early 2005 (just three days before they were called to testify to Congress on the '04 election) to begin the propaganda front for the 2008 election.

Also, see the Rosetta Stone for the modern day GOP "voter fraud" scam --- meant only to keep legal voters from being able to cast a vote at all --- in "Conservative Founding Father" Paul Weyrich's 1980 speech to 15,000 Baptist preachers in Dallas. The :40 second video is here, featuring Weyrich instructing his fellow rightwingers (including Ronald Reagan and Jerry Falwell, who were also there):

"I don't want everybody to vote. Elections are not won by a majority of people, they never have been from the beginning of our country and they are not now. As a matter of fact, our leverage in the elections quite candidly goes up as the voting populace goes down."
And then, right on schedule, in the days prior to the 2008 election, the GOP again hauled out their bogus ACORN "voter fraud" scam, as the latest battle in the ongoing "Republican War on Democracy".

[Cap'n Cat]

wow bronco - trotting out a whole host of posts on partisan sources...

very little of which has ever been validated in you know... the courts...

The minnesota source you cite had their "concerns" laughed out of court

Where else is he to find any research. The Donks are perfectly saying nothing happened as long as it keeps helping them.

Gross generalization, SeaGee. You should be more like Me and avoid those.

[SeattleGriz]

Where else is he to find any research. The Donks are perfectly saying nothing happened as long as it keeps helping them.

Gross generalization, SeaGee. You should be more like Me and avoid those.

[Cap'n Cat]

Gross generalization, SeaGee. You should be more like Me and avoid those.

[HI54UNI]

Let's just do this

[GrizFanStuckInUtah]

Let's just do this

We could end unemployment by hiring people to check all those.

[BDKJMU]

Holder has been in the tank since the Marc Rich pardon. And the voter ID laws are being upheld consistently by our appellate courts. You're out of touch with the legal world.

Holder's just fine. He's in the tank in ConkWorld only.

Hey, IT, if the voter ID laws are being held up in appeals courts, so be it. I respect the law. My only objection is to the suddenness of it and the parallel to Obama winning the election from the Conks.

I don't disagree, but your response has nothing to do with the NAACP involvement. As far as college ID's go, Obama has the 18-22 crowd to thank in large part for the record showing at the polls - wasn't a problem for them to cast D.

No, I did not talk about the NAACP, but it's obvious to me and those fighting this that blacks and other persons (handicapped, students, homeless, etc) are targeted. You can't tell me that, after Obama won in 2008, a smoke-filled room full of higher up Conks didn't sit around and figure out that they need to somehow squelch the votes of "vulnerable" potential Democrats.

Sorry, yes, it's anecdotal, but I believe it. And, yes, to Ganny's point, voter ID laws have been in existence for years, but the Conks are targeting, intentionally, places where such strictures do not exist... all of a sudden.

All of a sudden baloney. Republicans have been trying to get these passed for several decades now. Its been a trickle- now up to 31ish states

[BDKJMU]

Holder's just fine. He's in the tank in ConkWorld only.

Hey, IT, if the voter ID laws are being held up in appeals courts, so be it. I respect the law. My only objection is to the suddenness of it and the parallel to Obama winning the election from the Conks.

Actually, the surge in voter ID laws happened a good 10 years before Obama was ever elected, and really started to take off after the 2000 election. Do some people have bad intentions about these laws? I'm sure they do. But there are plenty of studies that show that voter ID laws do not result in lower voter turnout so the criticism of these laws as being a voting deterrent ring pretty hollow as well.

Bingo. I made my above reply about Cpt being wrong on the "suddenness" before I see you already addressed it here.

[BDKJMU]

As for the premise of voter-id laws in general... it's a classic GOP ploy to make it harder for college students, recent (legal) immigrants and the poor to vote. The reason voter ID makes it harder to vote is very simple - college students live on campuses - but not in any one place generally for more than one year or so... by requiring a photo ID - you are basically requiring a college student to purchase 4 drivers licenses in 4 years... (in MN these are $25 IIRC)... or just not vote... and that is EXACTLY the calculus the GOP wants them to make.

The same basic principle is true of many poor people - the poorer you are the more transient you generally are...

Baloney- it DOESN'T have to be a DL license, and most (if not all) of the states that require a ID to vote provide one FOR FREE. Also, if you're not at your home of residence where you're registered to vote (like a college student) you can vote by absentee ballot. And spare me the BS about it being too difficult. I've HAD to do it several times due to my job, and I haven't ever whined about it "being too difficult" to vote. In the donk world LAZINESS = DIFFICULTY.

[BDKJMU]

1. they could produce some evidence to show that any kind of widespread voter fraud actually has happened in the last 15 years or so... (which they can't... they just make vague claims about "it happening")

And donks can't produce evidence to show that voter fraud isn't happening.

As far as your claim that voter fraud doesn't exist, again, baloney.

EDIT: I see Bronco already beat me to it. Here is articles which come from mainstream news sources which list convictions in a half doz voter fraud cases by ACORN:
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[BDKJMU]

I can't find the story right now, but these laws are all starting to get more teeth. There was a guy in Utah that showed his VA ID and was turned away from voting. The VA iD would be considered a federal ID I guess and the state didn't recognize it so he wasn't able to vote. Now this guy did have a drivers license and didn't vote to prove a point but it still doesn't change the fact that the law does cut both ways.

I am 100% behind having to show some form of a valid ID to vote. I don't think any school ID should work as they are easy to reproduce and have no way of verifying them. If you are too lazy to go get a drivers license or a state ID then you are too damn lazy and stupid to vote.

Ditto. And I emphasize "lazy"

[BDKJMU]

Can you prove it doesn't happen? While not at a "real" political level I can tell you with 100% certainty that things like this happen on college campus elections across the nation. That is why even at the college level you are required to show your college ID to prove you are a college student and who you are.

Why is it so bad I want someone to show an ID to prove who they are? If states are willing to give photo ID's to those at polling places who need them, assuming they show other forms of ID, there is no reason they shouldn't have to show ID.

Here again you are missing the essential point.

Doing what you describe above is a federal offense and a felony (perjury) and the number of cases where someone would risk everything over one lousy vote... miniscule...

As for the ID - the problem is the burden it places on the voter... if you move to a new address at the start of the school year - are you going to go right out and get a new ID at that location? (spend the money and the time?)

It's not just as simple as "everyone has an ID"... it's just not.

Yes I would, or I would get an absentee ballot. I voted while I was in college. You keep on excusing LAZINESS.

[GannonFan]

And that's the problem - the only people yapping about this tend to be the most partisan people in the room. On one hand you have TTBF and Wedge saying that people's rights are infringed if there is any requirement at all to actually be the person you say you are and then on the other hand you have Bronco listing questionable source material to prove the other side of the argument.

The system is broken and there are more loopholes in our system than in even 3rd world nations. Let's just fix it and move on.

Let's you and I join up and run for office, Ganny. I'l be the out front face of the ticket and you be the brains behind the scenes! We can't lose!!! I'll be Reagan, you'll be my Atwater.

Wait a minute, didn't you say in the other thread that Chris Christy had no chance of winning on a nationwide basis due to his extremely large girth in his belly? Are you sure you want to be the out front face for our ticket? In a sumo match, how would you and Christy match up?

[BDKJMU]

I did have one question - how could anyone ever point out voter fraud anyway? Especially widespread fraud? How would one prove it? You can't legally videotape who goes to the polls, so you could never know who is voting. In this era of low voting percentages, there are tons of people who never vote so the rolls are filled with eligible names that are in essence unused. Didn't the Pew Center report (pretty certain the Pew Center is fairly non-partisan, correct me if I'm wrong) say that 1 out of every 8 active registrations are invalid or incorrect? That's 12% of the national rolls right there. The same report had record of at least 1.8 million active, although dead, voters, and 2.8 million people were on the rolls in more than one state. And 12 million registrations were so wrong that mailings wouldn't ever get to those actual people.

I certainly understand the concern, and it's valid, that the GOP rhetoric is partisan based on this, but it seems pretty easy to counter that and ensure that photo ID's are easy to get in terms of both cost (i.e. free) and time. Why is that a bad thing then? And taking the tact that there is no proven evidence of widespread fraud, when there is plenty of evidence of widespread loopholes all throughout the voting rolls in America (meaning that it wouldn't be very hard to take advantage of some of those and also that there is no way anyone could prove it anyway) seems like partisan rhetoric from the Dem side.

This should be one of those issues that are really easy to solve - come up with a simple way (i.e. no $$ or inconvenience) to prove who you are and that you only vote once anywhere. Of course, with the two parties invovled trying to game the system to their own advantages, we're stuck with the current flawed system. Pity.

Exactly. The donks like to beat the drum of haven't PROVEN WIDESPREAD voter fraud, which again, would be very difficult to prove.

With 12% or whatever it is of the voter rolls invalid/incorrect, the onus should be on the donks to prove that there isn't.