Sen. James Inhofe: Bible Refutes Climate Change

[JoltinJoe]

Oh, so firstly it was a completely 100% correct measurement, but then when it was revealed that units are consistent measurements and the numbers still don't add up, the point of the passage changes. Now granted, I understand that the point of the passage was never measurements, but if the bible is infallible it wouldn't make such a dumb mistake. My point is, you backpedal quite fast from "it's correct" to "that's not the point of the passage!"

Regardless, my original point stands.

Reading comprehension? Where did I say that it was a completely 100% correct measurement? My point has been all along that the writer was not making a mathematical assertion as to the value of Pi.

Are your reading comprehension skills so lacking? I'm afraid you're going to wind up at UNI.

[D1B]

Joltin Joe: spent 3/4 of his college education in religion classes, now he's a bible nerd quoting shit form Kirk Cameron's website.



Joe's hero.

pi = 3

[JoltinJoe]

Joltin Joe: spent 3/4 of his college education in religion classes, now he's a bible nerd quoting **** form Kirk Cameron's website.



Joe's hero.

pi = 3

Did you go to college? I mean, really go to college?

[D1B]

Oh, so firstly it was a completely 100% correct measurement, but then when it was revealed that units are consistent measurements and the numbers still don't add up, the point of the passage changes. Now granted, I understand that the point of the passage was never measurements, but if the bible is infallible it wouldn't make such a dumb mistake. My point is, you backpedal quite fast from "it's correct" to "that's not the point of the passage!"

Regardless, my original point stands.

Reading comprehension? Where did I say that it was a completely 100% correct measurement? My point has been all along that the writer was not making a mathematical assertion as to the value of Pi.

Are your reading comprehension skills so lacking? I'm afraid you're going to wind up at UNI.

Better than getting ass fucked by Father O'Brien in some dark closet on the Fordumb campus.

[youngterrier]

I don't care about the story. I was just disagreeing with your first comment that YT was wrong based on the length of a cubit being imprecise.

Let's indulge your point that they used measuring devices. So the guy who made the Molten Sea used one measuring stick based on one man's forearm, and we''ll now pretend the writer came along with another stick measuring a "cubit." Because the forearm used for one stick was not equal to one used for the other, you still get nothing but an approximation.

Really, can't you just concede the writer was speaking without any intention of being mathematically precise? The point was it was a big, damn impressive basin!

No, because you've completely deflected from the original point. My point was that the bible technically contradicts scientific and mathematical concepts, due to the ignorance of the time. You basically just tried to assert that those mathematics could be justified when they're really not. You were wrong. And you got called out on it. Just accept it.

Regardless, it's clear that no matter what you believe, the literal bible can't be used as a basis for science as it already contradicts obvious scientific principles, thus this jack ass saying global warming is refuted the bible is totally unjustified on the grounds of "reality"

[youngterrier]

Oh, so firstly it was a completely 100% correct measurement, but then when it was revealed that units are consistent measurements and the numbers still don't add up, the point of the passage changes. Now granted, I understand that the point of the passage was never measurements, but if the bible is infallible it wouldn't make such a dumb mistake. My point is, you backpedal quite fast from "it's correct" to "that's not the point of the passage!"

Regardless, my original point stands.

Reading comprehension? Where did I say that it was a completely 100% correct measurement? My point has been all along that the writer was not making a mathematical assertion as to the value of Pi.

Are your reading comprehension skills so lacking? I'm afraid you're going to wind up at UNI.

The bible says pi=3, and you basically just said it didn't when it does. Get over it.

[D1B]

Let's indulge your point that they used measuring devices. So the guy who made the Molten Sea used one measuring stick based on one man's forearm, and we''ll now pretend the writer came along with another stick measuring a "cubit." Because the forearm used for one stick was not equal to one used for the other, you still get nothing but an approximation.

Really, can't you just concede the writer was speaking without any intention of being mathematically precise? The point was it was a big, damn impressive basin!

No, because you've completely deflected from the original point. My point was that the bible technically contradicts scientific and mathematical concepts, due to the ignorance of the time. You basically just tried to assert that those mathematics could be justified when they're really not. You were wrong. And you got called out on it. Just accept it.

Regardless, it's clear that no matter what you believe, the literal bible can't be used as a basis for science as it already contradicts obvious scientific principals, thus this jack ass saying global warming is refuted the bible is totally unjustified on the grounds of "reality"

Joltin Joe

[youngterrier]

Really, can't you just concede the writer was speaking without any intention of being mathematically precise? The point was it was a big, damn impressive basin! He never claimed that Pi=3.

indirectly....he did!

Just as the young earth creationists claim that the world is 6,000 year old based on the literal interpretation of the bible, so does pi=3. You may not like it, and you may justify it one way or another, but it's clear that that is what is said and that the literal interpretation of the bible cannot be justified. That was the point.

[JoltinJoe]

Let's indulge your point that they used measuring devices. So the guy who made the Molten Sea used one measuring stick based on one man's forearm, and we''ll now pretend the writer came along with another stick measuring a "cubit." Because the forearm used for one stick was not equal to one used for the other, you still get nothing but an approximation.

Really, can't you just concede the writer was speaking without any intention of being mathematically precise? The point was it was a big, damn impressive basin!

No, because you've completely deflected from the original point. My point was that the bible technically contradicts scientific and mathematical concepts, due to the ignorance of the time. You basically just tried to assert that those mathematics could be justified when they're really not. You were wrong. And you got called out on it. Just accept it.

Regardless, it's clear that no matter what you believe, the literal bible can't be used as a basis for science as it already contradicts obvious scientific principals, thus this jack ass saying global warming is refuted the bible is totally unjustified on the grounds of "reality"

Now you're backtracking to the original point of the thread? Look, I said nothing about this jackass' opinion on the Bible and global warming.

You said the Bible made the claim that Pi equals 3. I said that your statement was a distortion.

The Bible was not making any mathematical claim about the value of Pi. it was describing a great basin. And the writer was describing it in terms of approximate measurements, just the way you would if doing the same thing.

It is a complete distortion to claim that the Bible makes the mathematical assertion that Pi equals 3.

My suggestion to you is that you don't pull this when you get to college, because some professor is going to dress you down, and you won't have the pea brain gallery to give your ignorance moral support.

[JoltinJoe]

Really, can't you just concede the writer was speaking without any intention of being mathematically precise? The point was it was a big, damn impressive basin! He never claimed that Pi=3.

indirectly....he did!

Just as the young earth creationists claim that the world is 6,000 year old based on the literal interpretation of the bible, so does pi=3. You may not like it, and you may justify it one way or another, but it's clear that that is what is said and that the literal interpretation of the bible cannot be justified. That was the point.

You fail to see the irony that, in trying to read into the Bible literal mathematical truth, you're no different than those who try to read into the Bible literal scientific truth. You're no different than Sen. Inhofe.

[youngterrier]

No, because you've completely deflected from the original point. My point was that the bible technically contradicts scientific and mathematical concepts, due to the ignorance of the time. You basically just tried to assert that those mathematics could be justified when they're really not. You were wrong. And you got called out on it. Just accept it.

Regardless, it's clear that no matter what you believe, the literal bible can't be used as a basis for science as it already contradicts obvious scientific principals, thus this jack ass saying global warming is refuted the bible is totally unjustified on the grounds of "reality"

Now you're backtracking to the original point of the thread? Look, I said nothing about this jackass' opinion on the Bible and global warming.

You said the Bible made the claim that Pi equals 3. I said that your statement was a distortion.

The Bible was not making any mathematical claim about the value of Pi. it was describing a great basin. And the writer was describing it in terms of approximate measurements, just the way you would if doing the same thing.

It is a complete distortion to claim that the Bible makes the mathematical assertion that Pi equals 3.

My suggestion to you is that you don't pull this when you get to college, because some professor is going to dress you down, and you won't have the pea brain gallery to give your ignorance moral support.

whatever, keep telling yourself that. Just as the bible says the world was created in 6 days, and we found out about this thing called "science" we discovered that it can't be taken literally and that if we do take it literally, it "refutes" many concepts taken as fact. I'm just laughing at your backpedalling at this point. You should really stop talking down to me. You come off as a prick.

PS: an approximation would be 31 or even 32, not 30

[youngterrier]

indirectly....he did!

Just as the young earth creationists claim that the world is 6,000 year old based on the literal interpretation of the bible, so does pi=3. You may not like it, and you may justify it one way or another, but it's clear that that is what is said and that the literal interpretation of the bible cannot be justified. That was the point.

You fail to see the irony that, in trying to read into the Bible literal mathematical truth, you're no different than those who try to read into the Bible literal scientific truth. You're no different than Sen. Inhofe.

How did you become a lawyer? You're deflecting quite well. At the beginning of this thread, my claim was that the bible says, in a literal sense, that pi=3, just as in a literal sense that the world was created in 6 days. Literally, that's what the says. Either that, or that C=3D. You came on here, and said that wasn't true, and then when everyone called you out on that BS, you've since back pedaled and talked about it not being the point of the passage. You can't have it both ways. Just admit you made a mistake, and I think everyone would respect you more.

[JoltinJoe]

Now you're backtracking to the original point of the thread? Look, I said nothing about this jackass' opinion on the Bible and global warming.

You said the Bible made the claim that Pi equals 3. I said that your statement was a distortion.

The Bible was not making any mathematical claim about the value of Pi. it was describing a great basin. And the writer was describing it in terms of approximate measurements, just the way you would if doing the same thing.

It is a complete distortion to claim that the Bible makes the mathematical assertion that Pi equals 3.

My suggestion to you is that you don't pull this when you get to college, because some professor is going to dress you down, and you won't have the pea brain gallery to give your ignorance moral support.

whatever, keep telling yourself that. Just as the bible says the world was created in 6 days, and we found out about this thing called "science" we discovered that it can't be taken literally and that if we do take it literally, it "refutes" many concepts taken as fact. I'm just laughing at your backpedalling at this point. You should really stop talking down to me. You come off as a prick.

PS: an approximation would be 31 or even 32, not 30

I talk down to you because you ask for it. You come across a smart-ass know-it-all, and if you think it makes me a prick for pointing that out, so be it. You talk down to people here all the time with far greater life experience than you, and then you whine when someone turns it around on you.

[JoltinJoe]

You fail to see the irony that, in trying to read into the Bible literal mathematical truth, you're no different than those who try to read into the Bible literal scientific truth. You're no different than Sen. Inhofe.

How did you become a lawyer? You're deflecting quite well. At the beginning of this thread, my claim was that the bible says, in a literal sense, that pi=3, just as in a literal sense that the world was created in 6 days. Literally, that's what the says. Either that, or that C=3D. You came on here, and said that wasn't true, and then when everyone called you out on that BS, you've since back pedaled and talked about it not being the point of the passage. You can't have it both ways. Just admit you made a mistake, and I think everyone would respect you more.

Oh, look at YT playing to pea brain gallery again.

If you keep acting like them, you'll end up like them.

[youngterrier]

whatever, keep telling yourself that. Just as the bible says the world was created in 6 days, and we found out about this thing called "science" we discovered that it can't be taken literally and that if we do take it literally, it "refutes" many concepts taken as fact. I'm just laughing at your backpedalling at this point. You should really stop talking down to me. You come off as a prick.

PS: an approximation would be 31 or even 32, not 30

I talk down to you because you ask for it. You come across a smart-ass know-it-all, and if you think that makes a prick for pointing that out, so be it. You talk down to people here all the time with far greater life experience than you, and then you whine when someone turns it around on you.

That life experience schpiel is great, but experience doesn't amount to anything when we're talking about facts. When we talk about facts, all you do is talk about your experience. You condescend on those who don't have your educational experience as if that has any bearing on the point at hand.

Politely, get over yourself, no one cares how cares how smart you are because that doesn't take away from the objective facts of reality.

[JoltinJoe]

I talk down to you because you ask for it. You come across a smart-ass know-it-all, and if you think that makes a prick for pointing that out, so be it. You talk down to people here all the time with far greater life experience than you, and then you whine when someone turns it around on you.

That life experience schpiel is great, but experience doesn't amount to anything when we're talking about facts. When we talk about facts, all you do is talk about your experience. You condescend on those who don't have your educational experience as if that has any bearing on the point at hand.

Politely, get over yourself, no one cares how cares how smart you are because that doesn't take away from the objective facts of reality.

Here's a fact for you: The Bible does not say that Pi equal 3.

You read that on some website, and your soft, malleable mind accepted it without thinking.

And then you repeated it here and you were shown this was wrong. But you refuse to admit you are wrong and would rather argue about it.

[grizzaholic]

That life experience schpiel is great, but experience doesn't amount to anything when we're talking about facts. When we talk about facts, all you do is talk about your experience. You condescend on those who don't have your educational experience as if that has any bearing on the point at hand.

Politely, get over yourself, no one cares how cares how smart you are because that doesn't take away from the objective facts of reality.

Here's a fact for you: The Bible does not say that Pi equal 3.

You read that on some website, and your soft, malleable mind accepted it without thinking.

And then you repeated it here and you were shown this was wrong. But you refuse to admit you are wrong and would argue about it.

Are you a Mensa member?

[youngterrier]

How did you become a lawyer? You're deflecting quite well. At the beginning of this thread, my claim was that the bible says, in a literal sense, that pi=3, just as in a literal sense that the world was created in 6 days. Literally, that's what the says. Either that, or that C=3D. You came on here, and said that wasn't true, and then when everyone called you out on that BS, you've since back pedaled and talked about it not being the point of the passage. You can't have it both ways. Just admit you made a mistake, and I think everyone would respect you more.

Oh, look at YT playing to pea brain gallery again.

If you keep acting like them, you'll end up like them.

Get the fuck over yourself

seriously, you can't refute the fact that the bible indirectly says that pi=3. You can't contest that fact. You can say that it was an approximation, etc but that doesn't take away from what the words printed in black and white mean when taken in a literal context.

You came on here, and said that that fact was not true and no one is buying that because we can all read. So instead of admitting you were wrong in this instance you're just back-pedaling, name-calling, and deflecting, while referring to your superior intellect all the way.

So to save us all the trouble of prying another answer from you, I ask again. If the bible says that the diameter of a circle is 10 units while the circumference of the same circle is 30 of the same units and one interprets the bible in a literal context, knowing that the equation that the circumference of a circle is equal to pi multiplied times the diameter, can one conclude that pi is equal to 3 or that the equation is wrong?

[youngterrier]

That life experience schpiel is great, but experience doesn't amount to anything when we're talking about facts. When we talk about facts, all you do is talk about your experience. You condescend on those who don't have your educational experience as if that has any bearing on the point at hand.

Politely, get over yourself, no one cares how cares how smart you are because that doesn't take away from the objective facts of reality.

Here's a fact for you: The Bible does not say that Pi equal 3.

You read that on some website, and your soft, malleable mind accepted it without thinking.

And then you repeated it here and you were shown this was wrong. But you refuse to admit you are wrong and would argue about it.

In a literal context, it does. It may not explicitly say the equation or the number of which to reach a circle, but if used in literal context it undeniably implies contradictions to our understanding of reality in the numerical value of pi or the equations of which we find the numerical value of circles. Just as in a literal context if one reads the book of genesis one can conclude that the bible says that the world was created in 6 literal days, one can conclude that pi=3 or that the equations to find circles is C=3D.

Now, as for the not thinking part, it's clear that you're not, because the words are in black and white, and instead of acknowledging facts you're just name calling.

You're wrong Joe, get over it.

[grizzaholic]

Joe, is it impossible for you to EVER admit you were wrong about something...even as mundane as this?

[JoltinJoe]

Oh, look at YT playing to pea brain gallery again.

If you keep acting like them, you'll end up like them.

Get the **** over yourself

seriously, you can't refute the fact that the bible indirectly says that pi=3. You can't contest that fact. You can say that it was an approximation, etc but that doesn't take away from what the words printed in black and white mean when taken in a literal context.

You came on here, and said that that fact was not true and no one is buying that because we can all read. So instead of admitting you were wrong in this instance you're just back-pedaling, name-calling, and deflecting, while referring to your superior intellect all the way.

So to save us all the trouble of prying another answer from you, I ask again. If the bible says that the diameter of a circle is 10 units while the circumference of the same circle is 30 of the same units and takes the bible in a literal context, knowing that the equation that the circumference of a circle is equal to pi multiplied times the diameter, can one conclude that pi is equal to 3 or that the equation is wrong?

Just keep digging the hole deeper, sonny.

BTW, the Catholic Church, long before the advent of modern science, accepted that the Bible stories were allegory, including the creation story. You can read the writings of St. Augustine on this point.

Sorry, you actually have to go to a library to read St. Augustine.

[D1B]

Get the **** over yourself

seriously, you can't refute the fact that the bible indirectly says that pi=3. You can't contest that fact. You can say that it was an approximation, etc but that doesn't take away from what the words printed in black and white mean when taken in a literal context.

You came on here, and said that that fact was not true and no one is buying that because we can all read. So instead of admitting you were wrong in this instance you're just back-pedaling, name-calling, and deflecting, while referring to your superior intellect all the way.

So to save us all the trouble of prying another answer from you, I ask again. If the bible says that the diameter of a circle is 10 units while the circumference of the same circle is 30 of the same units and takes the bible in a literal context, knowing that the equation that the circumference of a circle is equal to pi multiplied times the diameter, can one conclude that pi is equal to 3 or that the equation is wrong?

Just keep digging the hole deeper, sonny.

BTW, the Catholic Church, long before the advent of modern science, accepted that the Bible stories were allegory, including the creation story. You can read the writings of St. Augustine on this point.

Sorry, you actually have to go to a library to read St. Augustine.

Annnnd here's the part where Joe backpedals to the point where he essentially says the bible is a crock of shit.

Game, set and match = YT

[youngterrier]

Get the **** over yourself

seriously, you can't refute the fact that the bible indirectly says that pi=3. You can't contest that fact. You can say that it was an approximation, etc but that doesn't take away from what the words printed in black and white mean when taken in a literal context.

You came on here, and said that that fact was not true and no one is buying that because we can all read. So instead of admitting you were wrong in this instance you're just back-pedaling, name-calling, and deflecting, while referring to your superior intellect all the way.

So to save us all the trouble of prying another answer from you, I ask again. If the bible says that the diameter of a circle is 10 units while the circumference of the same circle is 30 of the same units and takes the bible in a literal context, knowing that the equation that the circumference of a circle is equal to pi multiplied times the diameter, can one conclude that pi is equal to 3 or that the equation is wrong?

Just keep digging the hole deeper, sonny.

BTW, the Catholic Church, long before the advent of modern science, accepted that the Bible stories were allegory, including the creation story. You can read the writings of St. Augustine on this point.

Sorry, you actually have to go to a library to read St. Augustine.

Name calling, Name calling, not addressing the substance.

Answer the question

I never said you or the catholic church takes the stories literally, or that they should, and you can't say I did, I just pointed out the facts of what the bible literally says.

And St. Augustine is a funny guy, considering he created arguments that contradicted themselves, but that's another cup of tea all together.

You can continue to insult me, I don't care, it's the internet. But I'll continue to use facts while you continue to name call.

[JoltinJoe]

In a literal context, it does. It may not explicitly say the equation or the number of which to reach a circle, but if used in literal context it undeniably implies contradictions to our understanding of reality in the numerical value of pi or the equations of which we find the numerical value of circles. Just as in a literal context if one reads the book of genesis one can conclude that the bible says that the world was created in 6 literal days, one can conclude that pi=3 or that the equations to find circles is C=3D.

You remind me of a student I have this semester. Says something wrong in class, is politely shown his mistake but refuses to give up, then gets smart-alecky. And the only way to shut up him is to embarrass him.

[grizzaholic]

In a literal context, it does. It may not explicitly say the equation or the number of which to reach a circle, but if used in literal context it undeniably implies contradictions to our understanding of reality in the numerical value of pi or the equations of which we find the numerical value of circles. Just as in a literal context if one reads the book of genesis one can conclude that the bible says that the world was created in 6 literal days, one can conclude that pi=3 or that the equations to find circles is C=3D.

You remind me of a student I have this semester. Says something wrong in class, is politely shown his mistake but refuses to give up, then gets smart-alecky. And the only way to shut up him is to embarrass him.

Pot meet kettle