Liberals say it is fine to kill born babies

[D1B]

Of course it isn't. You're deep in a powerful cannibalistic patriarchal ancestor worship cult and that's why you need my help.

Your god owns at least half of all abortions. You're pro-choice, just as long as god makes the choice.

Genetic issues are the reason for the majority of spontaneous abortions, not God. That is the body's way of preventing the birth of a child that would have no chance in life, or a really messed up one.

Who cares? God is an idiot and seems to concentrate his wrath on the most vulnerable.

[travelinman67]

Genetic issues are the reason for the majority of spontaneous abortions, not God. That is the body's way of preventing the birth of a child that would have no chance in life, or a really messed up one.

Who cares? God is an idiot and seems to concentrate his wrath on the most vulnerable.

Source?

[D1B]

but if life begins at conception, as said in the Christian faith, it really is God's fault, as nature killed it.....

I am not following your logic. By your statement you seem to be saying our bodies require God to run everything.

Talking bout the work of the almighty creator. If I choose to kill myself, big fucking deal. The fetuses have no choice.

They're like salmon. They gotta pass through god's faulty design work, then through the health habits of a mother that doesn't know she's pregnant, then the liberal abortion machine, then the fucking conks who relegate it to a life of poverty, suffering and ridicule.

[D1B]

Who cares? God is an idiot and seems to concentrate his wrath on the most vulnerable.

Source?

Read the bible, Fatty Arbuckle.

[SeattleGriz]

I am not following your logic. By your statement you seem to be saying our bodies require God to run everything.

Talking bout the work of the almighty creator. If I choose to kill myself, big fucking deal. The fetuses have no choice.

They're like salmon. They gotta pass through god's faulty design work, then through the health habits of a mother that doesn't know she's pregnant, then the liberal abortion machine, then the fucking conks who relegate it to a life of poverty, suffering and ridicule.

Now you give a shit about them having no choice?

[D1B]

Talking bout the work of the almighty creator. If I choose to kill myself, big fucking deal. The fetuses have no choice.

They're like salmon. They gotta pass through god's faulty design work, then through the health habits of a mother that doesn't know she's pregnant, then the liberal abortion machine, then the fucking conks who relegate it to a life of poverty, suffering and ridicule.

Now you give a shit about them having no choice?

Sure do, Dim. You take care of the liberals, I'll take care of god and the conks.

Ready and break......

[youngterrier]

Which is why we don't dub into morality

Why do we have any laws?

for the securing of prosperity

[youngterrier]

but if life begins at conception, as said in the Christian faith, it really is God's fault, as nature killed it.....

I am not following your logic. By your statement you seem to be saying our bodies require God to run everything.

Isn't that what religion basically says? I mean you're an ID guy, I thought you'd agree with that.

[SeattleGriz]

I am not following your logic. By your statement you seem to be saying our bodies require God to run everything.

Isn't that what religion basically says? I mean you're an ID guy, I thought you'd agree with that.

If religion does say that God controls every aspect of our lives, I missed it. I am of the belief that while God is all powerful, knowing and present, God wants us to realize the consequences of our choices, whether good or bad.

When I read through the Bible, by myself with nobody guiding me, that is the overwhelming point I took away. You are free to make your own choices.

Might be a bit too simplistic, but if God controls everything, why the need for faith? Wouldn't God just "force" you to believe? Self abortion of a fetus that is genetically messed up is a way to help preserve the fitness of a species in my opinion, and has nothing to do with God passing down judgement.

Like I said before, if people want to take that stance, I will just say God is being merciful and terminating a life to bring it home to Heaven and save it from a horrible existence on Earth. Two can play the absurd game.

[89Hen]

Why do we have any laws?

for the securing of prosperity

[SeattleGriz]

I might add the whole point of the thread was not about unborns, but the advocating of killing those that have already be brought to term.

[youngterrier]

Isn't that what religion basically says? I mean you're an ID guy, I thought you'd agree with that.

If religion does say that God controls every aspect of our lives, I missed it. I am of the belief that while God is all powerful, knowing and present, God wants us to realize the consequences of our choices, whether good or bad.

When I read through the Bible, by myself with nobody guiding me, that is the overwhelming point I took away. You are free to make your own choices.

Might be a bit too simplistic, but if God controls everything, why the need for faith? Wouldn't God just "force" you to believe? Self abortion of a fetus that is genetically messed up is a way to help preserve the fitness of a species in my opinion, and has nothing to do with God passing down judgement.

Like I said before, if people want to take that stance, I will just say God is being merciful and terminating a life to bring it home to Heaven and save it from a horrible existence on Earth. Two can play the absurd game.

ah yes, but why even go there at all? why create life at all? why nitpick and say "God did me good today?' Why is he responsible for all the good, but none of the bad (even though everything technically derives from him). Why is it that when something good happens, one is in his favor, but when something bad happens, it happens because he works in mysterious ways? I mean that's being selective at the very least.

Does the Bible not teach that God is all powerful, all knowing, all present, etc? If so, wouldn't you say it's kind of a jerkish thing to give life to someone then take it away? Because essentially that's what it is. Why let this "child" suffer in the first place. I'm not being absurd here, this whole selective belief is. Because if it's a way to "teach a lesson" to "sinners" it's quite sadistic when the blood of innocents have to be spilled.

[Wedgebuster]

I might add the whole point of the thread was not about unborns, but the advocating of killing those that have already be brought to term.

Oh, the death penalty.

Most conks are in favor.

[SeattleGriz]

If religion does say that God controls every aspect of our lives, I missed it. I am of the belief that while God is all powerful, knowing and present, God wants us to realize the consequences of our choices, whether good or bad.

When I read through the Bible, by myself with nobody guiding me, that is the overwhelming point I took away. You are free to make your own choices.

Might be a bit too simplistic, but if God controls everything, why the need for faith? Wouldn't God just "force" you to believe? Self abortion of a fetus that is genetically messed up is a way to help preserve the fitness of a species in my opinion, and has nothing to do with God passing down judgement.

Like I said before, if people want to take that stance, I will just say God is being merciful and terminating a life to bring it home to Heaven and save it from a horrible existence on Earth. Two can play the absurd game.

ah yes, but why even go there at all? why create life at all? why nitpick and say "God did me good today?' Why is he responsible for all the good, but none of the bad (even though everything technically derives from him). Why is it that when something good happens, one is in his favor, but when something bad happens, it happens because he works in mysterious ways? I mean that's being selective at the very least.

Does the Bible not teach that God is all powerful, all knowing, all present, etc? If so, wouldn't you say it's kind of a jerkish thing to give life to someone then take it away? Because essentially that's what it is. Why let this "child" suffer in the first place. I'm not being absurd here, this whole selective belief is. Because if it's a way to "teach a lesson" to "sinners" it's quite sadistic when the blood of innocents have to be spilled.

Obviously I don't know exactly how God operates, nor does anyone else on Earth. I agree as to why would God give a baby, only to take it away. That is why I believe it is a consequence of two people with free will having sex and unfortunately having an issue (most likely genetic) that prevents the baby from coming to term. Error correction inherent in our design.

As to God working in mysterious ways, if nobody exactly knows how God operates but believe He is all powerful, knowing and present, one isn't left with much else. I suppose it comes back to the faith part. I realize that is a cop out, but like I have said before, if God revealed Himself or forced you to believe, why would you need faith?

[SeattleGriz]

I might add the whole point of the thread was not about unborns, but the advocating of killing those that have already be brought to term.

Oh, the death penalty.

Most conks are in favor.

Nice try.

[89Hen]

ah yes, but why even go there at all? why create life at all? why nitpick and say "God did me good today?' Why is he responsible for all the good, but none of the bad (even though everything technically derives from him). Why is it that when something good happens, one is in his favor, but when something bad happens, it happens because he works in mysterious ways? I mean that's being selective at the very least.

Does the Bible not teach that God is all powerful, all knowing, all present, etc? If so, wouldn't you say it's kind of a jerkish thing to give life to someone then take it away? Because essentially that's what it is. Why let this "child" suffer in the first place. I'm not being absurd here, this whole selective belief is. Because if it's a way to "teach a lesson" to "sinners" it's quite sadistic when the blood of innocents have to be spilled.

For being the son of a preacher you don't seem to understand Christianity very well... at least in this thread.

[89Hen]

I might add the whole point of the thread was not about unborns, but the advocating of killing those that have already be brought to term.

Oh, the death penalty.

Most conks are in favor.

Dems: 50 favor/42 oppose glass houses.

[D1B]

ah yes, but why even go there at all? why create life at all? why nitpick and say "God did me good today?' Why is he responsible for all the good, but none of the bad (even though everything technically derives from him). Why is it that when something good happens, one is in his favor, but when something bad happens, it happens because he works in mysterious ways? I mean that's being selective at the very least.

Does the Bible not teach that God is all powerful, all knowing, all present, etc? If so, wouldn't you say it's kind of a jerkish thing to give life to someone then take it away? Because essentially that's what it is. Why let this "child" suffer in the first place. I'm not being absurd here, this whole selective belief is. Because if it's a way to "teach a lesson" to "sinners" it's quite sadistic when the blood of innocents have to be spilled.

For being the son of a preacher you don't seem to understand Christianity very well... at least in this thread.

Hen, he understands it very well. This is one of several arguments that put christians on the ropes.

You don't like it because you don't have an answer. A child can dismantle christianity.

He, unlike you, has been given a choice by his parents.

You're the product of centuries of child abuse by parents brainwashed by the catholic church.





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[polsongrizz]

I am hoping to open a drive through Abortion kiosk myself...just picked up some tools of the trade the other day...


Now I just need to come up with a catchy slogan.

[89Hen]

He, unlike you, has been given a choice by his parents.

You're so full of shit you stink.

[D1B]

He, unlike you, has been given a choice by his parents.

You're so full of shit you stink.

OK, you had a choice then, right?





This scary. Check out the perverts in the background.

[Vidav]

ah yes, but why even go there at all? why create life at all? why nitpick and say "God did me good today?' Why is he responsible for all the good, but none of the bad (even though everything technically derives from him). Why is it that when something good happens, one is in his favor, but when something bad happens, it happens because he works in mysterious ways? I mean that's being selective at the very least.

Does the Bible not teach that God is all powerful, all knowing, all present, etc? If so, wouldn't you say it's kind of a jerkish thing to give life to someone then take it away? Because essentially that's what it is. Why let this "child" suffer in the first place. I'm not being absurd here, this whole selective belief is. Because if it's a way to "teach a lesson" to "sinners" it's quite sadistic when the blood of innocents have to be spilled.

Obviously I don't know exactly how God operates, nor does anyone else on Earth. I agree as to why would God give a baby, only to take it away. That is why I believe it is a consequence of two people with free will having sex and unfortunately having an issue (most likely genetic) that prevents the baby from coming to term. Error correction inherent in our design.

As to God working in mysterious ways, if nobody exactly knows how God operates but believe He is all powerful, knowing and present, one isn't left with much else. I suppose it comes back to the faith part. I realize that is a cop out, but like I have said before, if God revealed Himself or forced you to believe, why would you need faith?

Why do we need faith in the first place? Wouldn't it be easier for humans to make the right choice if God revealed himself so that to doubt in his existence would be the irrational thought instead of the other way around?

[D1B]

Obviously I don't know exactly how God operates, nor does anyone else on Earth. I agree as to why would God give a baby, only to take it away. That is why I believe it is a consequence of two people with free will having sex and unfortunately having an issue (most likely genetic) that prevents the baby from coming to term. Error correction inherent in our design.

As to God working in mysterious ways, if nobody exactly knows how God operates but believe He is all powerful, knowing and present, one isn't left with much else. I suppose it comes back to the faith part. I realize that is a cop out, but like I have said before, if God revealed Himself or forced you to believe, why would you need faith?

Why do we need faith in the first place? Wouldn't it be easier for humans to make the right choice if God revealed himself so that to doubt in his existence would be the irrational thought instead of the other way around?

Joltin Joe with a theological shitball basically saying god is testing us and has indeed revealed himself, just look at the shroud of Turin, in 3 2 1....

[SeattleGriz]

Obviously I don't know exactly how God operates, nor does anyone else on Earth. I agree as to why would God give a baby, only to take it away. That is why I believe it is a consequence of two people with free will having sex and unfortunately having an issue (most likely genetic) that prevents the baby from coming to term. Error correction inherent in our design.

As to God working in mysterious ways, if nobody exactly knows how God operates but believe He is all powerful, knowing and present, one isn't left with much else. I suppose it comes back to the faith part. I realize that is a cop out, but like I have said before, if God revealed Himself or forced you to believe, why would you need faith?

Why do we need faith in the first place? Wouldn't it be easier for humans to make the right choice if God revealed himself so that to doubt in his existence would be the irrational thought instead of the other way around?

I don't know, you got me on that one. Good question. Maybe because God wants us to choose our path?

[youngterrier]

ah yes, but why even go there at all? why create life at all? why nitpick and say "God did me good today?' Why is he responsible for all the good, but none of the bad (even though everything technically derives from him). Why is it that when something good happens, one is in his favor, but when something bad happens, it happens because he works in mysterious ways? I mean that's being selective at the very least.

Does the Bible not teach that God is all powerful, all knowing, all present, etc? If so, wouldn't you say it's kind of a jerkish thing to give life to someone then take it away? Because essentially that's what it is. Why let this "child" suffer in the first place. I'm not being absurd here, this whole selective belief is. Because if it's a way to "teach a lesson" to "sinners" it's quite sadistic when the blood of innocents have to be spilled.

For being the son of a preacher you don't seem to understand Christianity very well... at least in this thread.

I understand it better than you do, I'm just not elaborating any further in this thread as it's getting way of topic. All I will say is that if God is all-present, all-knowing, and all-powerful, technically everything is because of him and everything bad that has happened is either due to his neglect or his own intuition. But alas, God is good, so everything that has happened is good, if that is the case.