Keeping teacher pay low is a biblical principle.

[SuperHornet]

JSO: While that's not just teacher's unions, they're certainly notorious for it. And the problem with that is it's usually closed-shop with little to no opportunity to opt out. If you're a conservative teacher and choose not to pay membership dues, you're forced to pay a "negotiating fee," which is funnelled right into the bag that supports the crap you're trying to avoid anyway.

There ARE a ton of outstanding teachers out there. But the unions ruin it for everyone else. Unions suck!

Nobody would become a teacher without the benefits secured by unions.

Liar. I know PLENTY of teachers that would keep their job without the trash the union foists on them.

[D1B]

Nobody would become a teacher without the benefits secured by unions.

Liar. I know PLENTY of teachers that would keep their job without the trash the union foists on them.

All the more reason to have unions. The people you speak of- committed/not in it for the money, are perfect and willing victims for conks and administrators to take advantage of, like they have for many years. All committed educators should not be expected to donate their time, all the time, and live in poverty.

[SuperHornet]

Cluck: It's their SOP. They marginalize conservative minorities to set themselves up as the "party of the minority." When they're successful with that, they can justify calling anyone who votes Republican/3rd party "racist." It happened to Alan Keyes, and it happened to Herman Cain. Whatever one may say about Keyes' and Cain's politics, that's EXACTLY what happened to them.

[kalm]

Cluck: It's their SOP. They marginalize conservative minorities to set themselves up as the "party of the minority." When they're successful with that, they can justify calling anyone who votes Republican/3rd party "racist." It happened to Alan Keyes, and it happened to Herman Cain. Whatever one may say about Keyes' and Cain's politics, that's EXACTLY what happened to them.

I don't recall anyone calling Keyes or Cain "racists". Their ship got sunk because they were either dumbasses, religious zealot dumbasses, or both.

[SuperHornet]

Cluck: It's their SOP. They marginalize conservative minorities to set themselves up as the "party of the minority." When they're successful with that, they can justify calling anyone who votes Republican/3rd party "racist." It happened to Alan Keyes, and it happened to Herman Cain. Whatever one may say about Keyes' and Cain's politics, that's EXACTLY what happened to them.

I don't recall anyone calling Keyes or Cain "racists". Their ship got sunk because they were either dumbasses, religious zealot dumbasses, or both.

That's not the point, kalm. NOBODY called them "racist." They were merely made to disappear so that the only "visible" minority candidate (or, in Keyes' case, the only candidate to "support" minorities) "just happened" to be a Donkey.

[AZGrizFan]

Cluck: It's their SOP. They marginalize conservative minorities to set themselves up as the "party of the minority." When they're successful with that, they can justify calling anyone who votes Republican/3rd party "racist." It happened to Alan Keyes, and it happened to Herman Cain. Whatever one may say about Keyes' and Cain's politics, that's EXACTLY what happened to them.

I don't recall anyone calling Keyes or Cain "racists". Their ship got sunk because they were either dumbasses, religious zealot dumbasses, or both.

The black folks just called them "Uncle Toms"

[YoUDeeMan]

Liar. I know PLENTY of teachers that would keep their job without the trash the union foists on them.

All the more reason to have unions. The people you speak of- committed/not in it for the money, are perfect and willing victims for conks and administrators to take advantage of, like they have for many years. All committed educators should not be expected to donate their time, all the time, and live in poverty.

Awesome...and you...a committed person who is not in it for the money...are a perfect and willing victim for Donks, administrators, and organizations like Habitat for Humanity and the Church to take advantage of, like they have for many years.

Let's end volunteerism and eliminate people who do things without wanting a lot of compensation...make it all a union effort. After all, mindless zombies need the help of organized thugs.

[D1B]

All the more reason to have unions. The people you speak of- committed/not in it for the money, are perfect and willing victims for conks and administrators to take advantage of, like they have for many years. All committed educators should not be expected to donate their time, all the time, and live in poverty.

Awesome...and you...a committed person who is not in it for the money...are a perfect and willing victim for Donks, administrators, and organizations like Habitat for Humanity and the Church to take advantage of, like they have for many years.

Let's end volunteerism and eliminate people who do things without wanting a lot of compensation...make it all a union effort. After all, mindless zombies need the help of organized thugs.

You're taking things to ridiculous extremes, again.

Who said "a lot"? Just fair.

I want top-notch, highly skilled and highly educated teachers - not some poorly-paid kumbaya singing granola scarfing Birkenstocked ex pothead with no children of their own. Or a ex-housewife that "likes kids and is good at math" or a loser who failed in the real world.

Who said "all union effort"? As Cap'n said, teachers rarely give a shit about the unions. If unions had so much power, teachers would not be as you described - committed volunteers.

Quit confusing these unions with the Teamsters or UAW. The local teachers union here are far from "organized thugs". MOF, a couple years ago the teacher's union president and the school district superintendent co-chaired our local United Way campaign.

Go fuck yourself you angry little kid. God forbid someone doesn't totally agree with you.

[YoUDeeMan]

You're taking things to ridiculous extremes, again.

Nobody would become a teacher without the benefits secured by unions.

How about if you lay down the pipe and come back when you can focus on what you are trying to say?

Who said "a lot"? Just fair.

I want top-notch, highly skilled and highly educated teachers - not some poorly-paid kumbaya singing granola scarfing Birkenstocked ex pothead with no children of their own. Or a ex-housewife that "likes kids and is good at math" or a loser who failed in the real world.

Who said "all union effort"? As Cap'n said, teachers rarely give a shit about the unions. If unions had so much power, teachers would not be as you described - committed volunteers.

It's a shame you have such a dismissive and hate filled attitude towards caring teachers. Projecting your own feelings, perhaps?

[YoUDeeMan]

The United Way... A great example of a charity that spends far too much money on administration fees and salaries and too little on the people they day they are helping.

Very similar to a union.

[kalm]

The United Way... A great example of a charity that spends far too much money on administration fees and salaries and too little on the people they day they are helping.

Very similar to a union.

And a bank.

[D1B]

You're taking things to ridiculous extremes, again.

Nobody would become a teacher without the benefits secured by unions.

How about if you lay down the pipe and come back when you can focus on what you are trying to say?

Who said "a lot"? Just fair.

I want top-notch, highly skilled and highly educated teachers - not some poorly-paid kumbaya singing granola scarfing Birkenstocked ex pothead with no children of their own. Or a ex-housewife that "likes kids and is good at math" or a loser who failed in the real world.

Who said "all union effort"? As Cap'n said, teachers rarely give a shit about the unions. If unions had so much power, teachers would not be as you described - committed volunteers.

It's a shame you have such a dismissive and hate filled attitude towards caring teachers. Projecting your own feelings, perhaps?

Sorry you can't keep up.

It aint Little House on the Prairie anymore, Flunk U.



"Well golly gee willackers, Miss Jane. Iffin the union comes to town, are we gonna lose our school?"

[D1B]

The United Way... A great example of a charity that spends far too much money on administration fees and salaries and too little on the people they day they are helping.

Very similar to a union.

I see your anger level is increasing. Nice straw man attempt.

Start another thread on the United Way, and I'll beat you to death in that one too.

[Cap'n Cat]

You anti's are all fucks.

Just got back from an activity at Lt. Cat's school today, "An Apple and a Book", in which parents were invited to come read with their kids for a while, and at the same time, munch on an apple (organic, from the whole foods store in town, by the way, Conks! ). The participation was phenomenal, cars were lined up to the state highway three blocks away - moms coming in with babies in tow, dads talking an hour off work. All organized by the teachers and the principal (the latter an African-American woman, by the way, Conks! ).

Some of you assholes without kids and all of you assholes with kids who long ago left the school systems need to go to the schools these days and see what's happening. No one gives a fvck about their union. What they do give a fvck about is kids, even in the "bad" schools (which are, more often that not, "bad" because school board Conks have gutted budgets far beyond the point at which the body is cold).

Fuck you all.

Love

Cappy

Why do Donks alway bring up skin color...as if it matters? Next thing you know Cappy will be telling us how many African-American fathers there were in attendance and how many were paying their share of child support...and letting us know how many black friends he has (as though we'd believe him).

Then he'll let us know what percentage of the teachers were in attendance...and how many were actually happy to be there versus how many were there because it was "expected".

There you go, Clucky. Hatin' again.

[YoUDeeMan]

The United Way... A great example of a charity that spends far too much money on administration fees and salaries and too little on the people they day they are helping.

Very similar to a union.

I see your anger level is increasing. Nice straw man attempt.

Start another thread on the United Way, and I'll beat you to death in that one too.

Straw man attempt? Who continues to bring up silly "stories" to support their view? You brought up United Way....why bother unless you thought it supported your argument? Oooops! Oh, never mind...it doesn't...you just decided to ad lib some tangent to distract from your weak ideas.

And why is is that people on the left always blather on about "anger" and "Hatin" (it must run in the family) when someone calls them on their ridiculous stands?

Jesus Christ, YOU said people wouldn't be teachers without the union benefits...a complete falsehood...and when questioned about reality, you countered with weak-azzed string of unrelated and totally BS crap.

Look, I get you schtick...big money = bad people. Poor people are simply victims of rich people.

Sure, there are some wealthy MF's that are trying to keep the rules slanted in order to keep their money. But there are FAR more bad poor people than there are bad rich people...simply because there are more poor people. Don't forget that. Being poor doesn't mean that people are simply innocent victims that suddenly turn bad.

Cripes, you actually bring up some good points when arguing against the status quo of conservatism...but you jump the shark too much to the point where it destroys your credibility. Sometimes you and Cappy are no better than Limbaugh or some liberal media troll.

[D1B]

I see your anger level is increasing. Nice straw man attempt.

Start another thread on the United Way, and I'll beat you to death in that one too.

Straw man attempt? Who continues to bring up silly "stories" to support their view? You brought up United Way....why bother unless you thought it supported your argument? Oooops! Oh, never mind...it doesn't...you just decided to ad lib some tangent to distract from your weak ideas.

And why is is that people on the left always blather on about "anger" and "Hatin" (it must run in the family) when someone calls them on their ridiculous stands?

Jesus Christ, YOU said people wouldn't be teachers without the union benefits...a complete falsehood...and when questioned about reality, you countered with weak-azzed string of unrelated and totally BS crap.

Look, I get you schtick...big money = bad people. Poor people are simply victims of rich people.

Sure, there are some wealthy MF's that are trying to keep the rules slanted in order to keep their money. But there are FAR more bad poor people than there are bad rich people...simply because there are more poor people. Don't forget that. Being poor doesn't mean that people are simply innocent victims that suddenly turn bad.

Cripes, you actually bring up some good points when arguing against the status quo of conservatism...but you jump the shark too much to the point where it destroys your credibility. Sometimes you and Cappy are no better than Limbaugh or some liberal media troll.

The nobody would become teachers was an obvious exaggeration made to underscore my point, which is: Pay and benefits are fucking important and unfortunately some professions, especially today in Conkutopia, need strength in numbers in order to secure it. I also want to attract better teachers and better people. How many people do you know would be fan fucking tastic teachers but choose not to cuz they want to have a family and live decently? I don't want the fucking volunteer fire department HR model in my fucking schools.

The United Way story was to show that unions are not thugs and can get along with management and both share similar goals ultimately. Conks like to falsely equate all unions with thuggery and inefficiency.

[Skjellyfetti]

What if we treated doctors like we treat teachers?

We must begin to hold all physicians accountable, regardless of specialization, to certain quantifiable measures of health, namely cholesterol levels, blood pressure, weight, and BMI. All patients assigned to a physician must meet specific annual minimum standards of health. Bad doctors will be those who do not meet their patients' annual minimums, and they may be subject to certain penalties if the health scores of their patients do not improve in a reasonable amount of time.

It will be mandatory for the Department of Health and Human Services, as well as all of the major governing bodies in medicine, to set a goal for reaching universal health and well-being in the United States. That is, a target year will be identified in which every person will achieve the ideal values in cholesterol, blood pressure, and BMI. Future targets may include assessments of mental health. A specific interval of time will also be determined to assess all patients for these values. Although pharmaceuticals may be used to stabilize or improve health outcomes, the patient must not be on any medications at the time of assessment unless approved by an official of the administrative body of the national health assessments.

Quantifiable variables will be utilized to evaluate all practices and hospitals. All of this information will be made public. Additionally, medical schools will be evaluated based on the quantifiable health of patients in the care of their graduates. Medical schools will subsequently be ranked based on the health outcomes of their graduates' patients regardless of specialty. Given more advanced statistical models, these numbers could ultimately be used to assess the impact of pre-medical programs at the undergraduate level.

In certain high needs areas, such as family practice, emergency medicine, or in practices in low income areas, alternative routes to being licensed will be provided. Moreover, data will determine what skills are necessary to impart in the curriculum of such programs. For instance, if a certain community prevails in specific medical conditions over others, then time will not be wasted covering rare conditions so that alternative programs can operate expeditiously.

Barriers to participation will be lowered in certain instances, in the form of direct subsidies or significant tax exemptions, for the opening of small hospitals or short-term care centers by private organizations or motivated members of the community.

Any hospital or practice is subject to a turnaround plan if minimum health requirements are not met. Should the facility not meet those requirements of minimum annual health, the entire staff will be terminated and reconstituted with more competent practitioners. Moreover, staff may be required to enroll in continuing medical education in advanced and remedial level re-licensing courses, including basic physics, chemistry, and biology.

In addition to in- or out-of-network information and basic demographics, an online data warehouse will be established that will provide all health data and outcomes for every licensed physician in the United States, regardless of specialty. The individual physician's education, license information, and health outcomes of patients will be listed. Should in-network physicians be deemed unfit for local health care consumers, the Federal government, with matching funds by health providers, will offer subsidies for consumers to see other practitioners.

Finally, a certain percentage of any and all physicians' patients will be assigned to them, care of those who qualify will be fully covered by providers. This will ensure adequate racial, income, and overall demographic diversity of clientele. The annual minimum health outcome data of these patients will also be included in the physician's overall quality.

[CID1990]

Under normal circumstances, you don't die when teachers fvck up, SK.

Doctors are already held to some of the most stringent liability rules in the entire country. If teachers were held accountable to the same levels as doctors then you would certainly have to pay them a lot more.

[SuperHornet]

I see your anger level is increasing. Nice straw man attempt.

Start another thread on the United Way, and I'll beat you to death in that one too.

Straw man attempt? Who continues to bring up silly "stories" to support their view? You brought up United Way....why bother unless you thought it supported your argument? Oooops! Oh, never mind...it doesn't...you just decided to ad lib some tangent to distract from your weak ideas.

And why is is that people on the left always blather on about "anger" and "Hatin" (it must run in the family) when someone calls them on their ridiculous stands?

Jesus Christ, YOU said people wouldn't be teachers without the union benefits...a complete falsehood...and when questioned about reality, you countered with weak-azzed string of unrelated and totally BS crap.

Look, I get you schtick...big money = bad people. Poor people are simply victims of rich people.

Sure, there are some wealthy MF's that are trying to keep the rules slanted in order to keep their money. But there are FAR more bad poor people than there are bad rich people...simply because there are more poor people. Don't forget that. Being poor doesn't mean that people are simply innocent victims that suddenly turn bad.

Cripes, you actually bring up some good points when arguing against the status quo of conservatism...but you jump the shark too much to the point where it destroys your credibility. Sometimes you and Cappy are no better than Limbaugh or some liberal media troll.

[∞∞∞]

Sorry for the bump, but yesterday I was subbing at a middle school in Norfolk for a 7th grade math class and the teacher left an assignment for the students to do. It was almost all basic multiplication (ex. 7000 x 300, 24 x 36) and the students were allowed to use a calculator. I wish I took a picture of the sheet but I wasn't thinking about it at the time, but it was definitely one of the saddest things I've ever seen. It took them like 10 minutes to do 80 problems after which I tried teaching them the actual concept behind the math since there was so much time to kill. Of course none of the students cared and they just kept chatting among themselves. I gave a copy of the assignment to the principal and voiced my concerns, but I'm not sure if he really cared. 7th grade math and they need calculators to multiply...and the teacher is fine with this...

ps. I don't sub often 'cause I hate the Norfolk Public School system, but I'll do it when I need money. It sucks.

[Cap'n Cat]

Sorry for the bump, but yesterday I was subbing at a middle school in Norfolk for a 7th grade math class and the teacher left an assignment for the students to do. It was almost all basic multiplication (ex. 7000 x 300, 24 x 36) and the students were allowed to use a calculator. I wish I took a picture of the sheet but I wasn't thinking about it at the time, but it was definitely one of the saddest things I've ever seen. It took them like 10 minutes to do 80 problems after which I tried teaching them the actual concept behind the math since there was so much time to kill. Of course none of the students cared and they just kept chatting among themselves. I gave a copy of the assignment to the principal and voiced my concerns, but I'm not sure if he really cared. 7th grade math and they need calculators to multiply...and the teacher is fine with this...

ps. I don't sub often 'cause I hate the Norfolk Public School system, but I'll do it when I need money. It sucks.

Kinda Conk-y, ain't it, Spurlie? You're saying you don't truly care about the students and you just wanna collect your $90?

[∞∞∞]

Kinda Conk-y, ain't it, Spurlie? You're saying you don't truly care about the students and you just wanna collect your $90?

As I said above, I tried teaching them afterwards and they kept talking. I'm sure the ones who were listening to me got something out of it, but I'm not gonna baby a bunch of 7th graders.

And it's only $80 per day.