Catholics Pray for D1B

[D1B]

Yes, but abandoned it at about 15. Realized it was all smoke and mirrors and ghosts.

Not a single Catholic left in the family. Grandma Cat converted to Lutheranism after Grandpa Cat passed away as did Sister Cat 1. Sister Cat 2 is ambivalent.

So you were able to make up your mind to leave the church and I was able to make up my mind to return to the church. I became a holiday Catholic while I was at college and for a few years after. Then I decided to start going again and don't regret a day.

Bet you regret your church's role in covering up a world wide child abuse scandal.

[Bronco]

- Ya know
There's way more public school teachers accused of sexual misconduct
stories way more common than catholic abuse

[JoltinJoe]

So you were able to make up your mind to leave the church and I was able to make up my mind to return to the church. I became a holiday Catholic while I was at college and for a few years after. Then I decided to start going again and don't regret a day.

Bet you regret your church's role in covering up a world wide child abuse scandal.

This truly free-thinking atheist nails you and your shameful, hateful ilk:

http://www.spiked-online.com/index.php/ ... icle/8360/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

A great article which makes rational criticisms of the Church leadership while exposing your twisted agenda:

The second contemporary trend that has elevated something quite rare (incidents of abuse by priests) into a social disaster is the rise of the ‘new atheism’. Now the dominant liberal outlook of our age – in particular in the media outlets that have most keenly focused on the Catholic abuse scandals: the New York Times, the Irish Times, and the UK Guardian – the new atheism differs from the atheism of earlier free-thinking humanists in that its main aim is not to enlighten, but to scaremonger about the impact of religion on society. For these thinkers and opinion-formers, the drip-drip of revelations of abuse in Catholic institutions offers an opportunity to demonise the religious as backward and people who possess strong beliefs as suspect.

Many contemporary opinion-formers are not concerned with getting to the truth of how widespread Catholic sexual abuse was, or what were the specific circumstances in which it occurred; rather they want to milk incidents of abuse and make them into an indictment of religion itself. They frequently flit between discussing priests who abuse children and the profound stupidity of people who believe in God. One commentator wildly refers to the Vatican’s ‘international criminal conspiracy to protect child-rapists’ and says most ordinary Catholics turn a blind eye to this because ‘people behave in bizarre ways when they decide it is a good thing to abandon any commitment to fact and instead act on faith’.

Richard Dawkins, author of The God Delusion, unwittingly reveals what draws the new atheists towards the Catholic-abuse story: their belief that religion is itself a form of abuse. ‘Odious as the physical abuse of children by priests undoubtedly is, I suspect that it may do them less lasting damage than the mental abuse of bringing them up Catholic in the first place’, he argues. He admits that physical abuse by priests is rare, but only to flag up what he sees as a more serious form of abuse: ‘Only a minority of priests abuse the bodies of the children in their care. But how many priests abuse their minds?’ In this spectacularly crude critique of religion, no moral distinction is made between being educated by a priest and raped by one – indeed, the former is considered worse than the latter, since as one Observer columnist recently darkly warned: ‘We have no idea what children are being taught in those classrooms…’

If ‘bringing a child up Catholic’ is itself abuse, there can only be one solution: external authorities must protect children not only from religious institutions but from their own religious parents, too. One new atheist has proposed an age of consent for joining a religion: 14. In an Oxford Amnesty Lecture popular amongst new atheists, a liberal academic argued that children ‘have a human right not to have their minds crippled by exposure to other people’s bad ideas’, and parents ‘have no god-given licence to enculturate their children in whatever ways they personally choose’. Here, a simplistic leap is made from protecting children from paedophile priests to protecting them from their own parents, since in the new-atheist view strong beliefs and freedom of religion – which, yes, includes the freedom of parents to bring up their children as they see fit – are the real problem. They exaggerate the extent of Catholic sexual abuse in order to strengthen their prejudicial arguments.

Whatever you think of the Catholic Church, you should be concerned about today’s abuse-obsession. Events of the (sometimes distant) past which nobody can change are being used to justify dangerous trends in the present. A new kind of society is being solidified on the back of exposing abusive priests, one in which scaremongering supersedes facts, where people redefine themselves as permanently damaged victims, where freedom of thought is problematised, and where parents are considered suspect for not adhering to the superior values of the atheistic elite. Seriously, radical humanists should fight back against this.

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[D1B]

Bet you regret your church's role in covering up a world wide child abuse scandal.

This truly free-thinking atheist nails you and your shameful, hateful ilk:

http://www.spiked-online.com/index.php/ ... icle/8360/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

A great article which makes rational criticisms of the Church leadership while exposing your twisted agenda:

The second contemporary trend that has elevated something quite rare (incidents of abuse by priests) into a social disaster is the rise of the ‘new atheism’. Now the dominant liberal outlook of our age – in particular in the media outlets that have most keenly focused on the Catholic abuse scandals: the New York Times, the Irish Times, and the UK Guardian – the new atheism differs from the atheism of earlier free-thinking humanists in that its main aim is not to enlighten, but to scaremonger about the impact of religion on society. For these thinkers and opinion-formers, the drip-drip of revelations of abuse in Catholic institutions offers an opportunity to demonise the religious as backward and people who possess strong beliefs as suspect.

Many contemporary opinion-formers are not concerned with getting to the truth of how widespread Catholic sexual abuse was, or what were the specific circumstances in which it occurred; rather they want to milk incidents of abuse and make them into an indictment of religion itself. They frequently flit between discussing priests who abuse children and the profound stupidity of people who believe in God. One commentator wildly refers to the Vatican’s ‘international criminal conspiracy to protect child-rapists’ and says most ordinary Catholics turn a blind eye to this because ‘people behave in bizarre ways when they decide it is a good thing to abandon any commitment to fact and instead act on faith’.

Richard Dawkins, author of The God Delusion, unwittingly reveals what draws the new atheists towards the Catholic-abuse story: their belief that religion is itself a form of abuse. ‘Odious as the physical abuse of children by priests undoubtedly is, I suspect that it may do them less lasting damage than the mental abuse of bringing them up Catholic in the first place’, he argues. He admits that physical abuse by priests is rare, but only to flag up what he sees as a more serious form of abuse: ‘Only a minority of priests abuse the bodies of the children in their care. But how many priests abuse their minds?’ In this spectacularly crude critique of religion, no moral distinction is made between being educated by a priest and raped by one – indeed, the former is considered worse than the latter, since as one Observer columnist recently darkly warned: ‘We have no idea what children are being taught in those classrooms…’

If ‘bringing a child up Catholic’ is itself abuse, there can only be one solution: external authorities must protect children not only from religious institutions but from their own religious parents, too. One new atheist has proposed an age of consent for joining a religion: 14. In an Oxford Amnesty Lecture popular amongst new atheists, a liberal academic argued that children ‘have a human right not to have their minds crippled by exposure to other people’s bad ideas’, and parents ‘have no god-given licence to enculturate their children in whatever ways they personally choose’. Here, a simplistic leap is made from protecting children from paedophile priests to protecting them from their own parents, since in the new-atheist view strong beliefs and freedom of religion – which, yes, includes the freedom of parents to bring up their children as they see fit – are the real problem. They exaggerate the extent of Catholic sexual abuse in order to strengthen their prejudicial arguments.

Whatever you think of the Catholic Church, you should be concerned about today’s abuse-obsession. Events of the (sometimes distant) past which nobody can change are being used to justify dangerous trends in the present. A new kind of society is being solidified on the back of exposing abusive priests, one in which scaremongering supersedes facts, where people redefine themselves as permanently damaged victims, where freedom of thought is problematised, and where parents are considered suspect for not adhering to the superior values of the atheistic elite. Seriously, radical humanists should fight back against this.

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Go fuck yourself, Midget.

More excuses for the catholic pedophile factory.

[D1B]

- Ya know
There's way more public school teachers accused of sexual misconduct
stories way more common than catholic abuse

There's way more teachers.

Principals, union heads, superintendents and entire financial and intellectual resources of the school districts are not working together to shield serial pedophiles from accountability and drastically increasing the number of victims by transferring criminals to other school districts.

The Factory.

[SeattleGriz]

Dawkins.

He has had his ass handed to him so many times it is laughable.

[Cap'n Cat]

Dawkins.

He has had his ass handed to him so many times it is laughable.

Uh-huh. Where is your shit being published, Edison?

[D1B]

Dawkins.

He has had his ass handed to him so many times it is laughable.

Yeah, you've read him.

You drunk, stupid fuck.

[JoltinJoe]

Dawkins's retreat from atheism took its first official step yesterday. Just as in the case of Anthony Flew, who started to acknowledge some doubt about atheism before moving emphatically to the position that a creator did exist before he died, Dawkins said yesterday that he was not sure that there is no God, and that he should be viewed as an agnostic. This is a huge step for a man who had been previously openly hostile to the non-commitment of agnostics and had written a book, "The Poverty of Agnosticism."



Richard Dawkins, Famous Atheist, Not Entirely Sure God Doesn't Exist

The next to start moving toward belief: Paul Kurtz.

[Rob Iola]

Yeah, I get that from your posts. For D though, brother or not, either he's brilliant at keeping the schtick going or there's an underlying reason for the obsession...

It's the former. He woulda told me if Father Miller or Father Roberts at St. Pat's diddled his balloon knot, I'm sure.

OT, but Cap'n are you an editor over at the Urban Dictionary site? "Balloon knot"? So what's the answer to this SAT question: Camel toe is to moose knuckle as balloon knot is to ______?

[D1B]

Dawkins's retreat from atheism took its first official step yesterday. Just as in the case of Anthony Flew, who started to acknowledge some doubt about atheism before moving emphatically to the position that a creator did exist before he died, Dawkins said yesterday that he was not sure that there is no God, and that he should be viewed as an agnostic. This is a huge step for a man who had been previously openly hostile to the non-commitment of agnostics and had written a book, "The Poverty of Agnosticism."



Richard Dawkins, Famous Atheist, Not Entirely Sure God Doesn't Exist

The next to start moving toward belief: Paul Kurtz.

So what? I think there is a higher power too.

It's agreed by all skeptics and humanists that the christian interpretation and industry created to reinforce it, is a fucking joke, just like you Joe.

Your faith is dying a rapid death as people leave your church and refuse to follow your archaic rules and demands. Most catholics are catholic in name only - as Pew study after study continue to confirm.

Shit, you can't even get priests to sign up.

[D1B]

Catholic priest shortage:

USnews.com

A decade later, the challenge of attracting priests continues to bedevil the Roman Catholic Church. The pope's visit this week is clearly meant as a stimulus to his American flock, and, apart from the tarnish of the sex abuse scandal, there is perhaps no more immediate concern among Catholic leaders than that of adequate church leadership. Congregations often abandon traditions and lose direction without guidance from priests; parishes, in some cases, have folded.

According to statistics, the number of U.S. priests began falling in the 1970s, and the decline has since accelerated. In 1975, the Center for Applied Research in the Apostolate at Georgetown University reports, there were 36,005 diocesan priests in the United States. By 1995, the total had fallen to 32,300; in 2005, the count stood at 28,700. The most recent count, from 2007, puts the number at 27,971. The decline appears to be even more precipitous when one includes "religious" priests, members of religious orders who tend to live within the priestly community. In total, the number of Catholic priests in the United States dropped from nearly 59,000 in 1975 to about 41,500 last year.

Serioulsy, what person of stable mind would give up a life of sex and intimacy with a partner for the stupud fucking church? Only perverts, psychopaths, weirdos, social misanthropes, pedophiles and just plain losers would apply.

Takes a "special" person.....



Oh God, I can't wait till toddler swimming camp starts.

[CAA Flagship]

Serioulsy, what person of stable mind would give up a life of sex and intimacy with a partner.....

You are just one stable mind from all of the necessary qualifications to give us that answer.

[LeadBolt]

Dawkins.

He has had his ass handed to him so many times it is laughable.

Yeah, you've read him.

You drunk, stupid ****.

Try reading Dawkins "The Blind Watch Maker" and then contrast it with Norman Geisler and Frank Turek's "I Don't Have Enough Faith to Be an Atheist".

I think you will find that the "scientist" Dawkins uses circular logic that comes basically comes back to "there isn't a God because I don't want one".

The theologians Geisler and Turek use good science in making their case for the existence of God in the first half of their book before moving on to make the case for Christianity in the second half.

[andy7171]

I set up a Novena for D1B this weekend.

[Rob Iola]

My next door neighbor's 7 year old daughter had her first communion yesterday - I asked her to include D1B in her prayers...

[YoUDeeMan]

Growing up I went to St. John the Beloved outside of Wilmington, DE

Milltown Road? That was my church (the old one)...and CCD in the little buidling to the left side of the church. Got out with my butt still a virgin.

[Rob Iola]

Growing up I went to St. John the Beloved outside of Wilmington, DE

Milltown Road? That was my church (the old one)...and CCD in the little buidling to the left side of the church. Got out with my butt still a virgin.

Yup - lived in Arundel (parents still live there) and went to St. Mark's High. Thankfully not Sallies - apparently they've had issues with some of the Oblates who taught there...

[D1B]

Yeah, you've read him.

You drunk, stupid ****.

Try reading Dawkins "The Blind Watch Maker" and then contrast it with Norman Geisler and Frank Turek's "I Don't Have Enough Faith to Be an Atheist".

I think you will find that the "scientist" Dawkins uses circular logic that comes basically comes back to "there isn't a God because I don't want one".

The theologians Geisler and Turek use good science in making their case for the existence of God in the first half of their book before moving on to make the case for Christianity in the second half.

Lay out their argument for us. Especially interested in the case for Christianity.

[D1B]

My next door neighbor's 7 year old daughter had her first communion yesterday - I asked her to include D1B in her prayers...

Thanks, she should though be praying for young boys.

Dear heavenly and loving father (or is it Jesus, or Mary?). Please keep your priests from raping the young boys among us. They do not deserve such pain and torture. Amen

[89Hen]

St Mary Magdelen here. Sister went there for school, but I was public the whole way.

[Rob Iola]

My next door neighbor's 7 year old daughter had her first communion yesterday - I asked her to include D1B in her prayers...

Thanks, she should though be praying for young boys.

Dear heavenly and loving father (or is it Jesus, or Mary?). Please keep your priests from raping the young boys among us. They do not deserve such pain and torture. Amen

Should've thought of that - will need to try to slip that in with the intentions for next week's mass, right after "and for those hearing the call from Jesus to pursue a vocation in the Church, we pray..." and right before "and for D1B, we pray..."

[D1B]

Thanks, she should though be praying for young boys.

Dear heavenly and loving father (or is it Jesus, or Mary?). Please keep your priests from raping the young boys among us. They do not deserve such pain and torture. Amen

Should've thought of that - will need to try to slip that in with the intentions for next week's mass, right after "and for those hearing the call from Jesus to pursue a vocation in the Church, we pray..." and right before "and for D1B, we pray..."

You continue a catholic tradition of not giving a shit about victims and children and focusing solely on the welfare of church assets and the pedophile reputations.

[Rob Iola]

Should've thought of that - will need to try to slip that in with the intentions for next week's mass, right after "and for those hearing the call from Jesus to pursue a vocation in the Church, we pray..." and right before "and for D1B, we pray..."

You continue a catholic tradition of not giving a shit about victims and children and focusing solely on the welfare of church assets and the pedophile reputations.

I dunno about that - quite a few church assets are now being paid out to the victims, as you and I have both documented...

[Cap'n Cat]

You continue a catholic tradition of not giving a shit about victims and children and focusing solely on the welfare of church assets and the pedophile reputations.

I dunno about that - quite a few church assets are now being paid out to the victims' lawyers, as you and I have both documented...

FIFY