FUCK YOU FAT FUCK CHRISTIE

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

Love Christie, you may not like what he stands for but at least he stands up for what he believes and doenst waiver or care who feelings he hurts. In other words he is the only political LEADER in this country right now........thats why he scares people.

Keep it up fat ass the USA needs more guys like you.




If Christie can succeed in getting people like Capn and manejeff to move to Oslo then I might just blow him.

[DSUrocks07]

Love Christie, you may not like what he stands for but at least he stands up for what he believes and doenst waiver or care who feelings he hurts. In other words he is the only political LEADER in this country right now........thats why he scares people.

Keep it up fat ass the USA needs more guys like you.




If Christie can succeed in getting people like Capn and manejeff to move to Oslo then I might just blow him.

He doesn't pander for votes, he may be a lard ass but I have a measure of respect for the man. He says something and he does it, can't argue that this move was unexpected.

[catamount man]

what is going to happen is that, sooner than later, a church will have the choice to recognize a marriage that is deemed legal by the state or the choice to not recognize said marriage. Why ministers now act as wards of state when it comes to recognizing marriages is beyond me. Basically, the same people that hate religion and bitch for separation of church and state get mad because said church won't recognize that marriage. You cannot have it both ways left!

[kalm]

what is going to happen is that, sooner than later, a church will have the choice to recognize a marriage that is deemed legal by the state or the choice to not recognize said marriage. Why ministers now act as wards of state when it comes to recognizing marriages is beyond me. Basically, the same people that hate religion and bitch for separation of church and state get mad because said church won't recognize that marriage. You cannot have it both ways left!

Liberty is not a left/right thing. You can't have it both ways...whatever the hell you are.

[mainejeff]

If Christie can succeed in getting people like Capn and manejeff to move to Oslo then I might just blow him.

Oh god........here comes another Conk jumping out of the closet.

[JohnStOnge]

Liberty is not a left/right thing. You can't have it both ways...whatever the hell you are.

I know we go round and round on this but every time somebody says something that makes me think they are saying that homosexual marriage is a "liberty" issue I have to say that it is not. No liberty is taken away by virtue of the way marriage is defined.

If government says that two homosexuals can't live together and be life partners, then they are interferring with their liberty. Same is it says that one man can't live with two women, etc.

But government saying it won't recognize those relationships as "marriages" is not a denial of liberty. It is not saying they can't do what they want to do. In fact, if they want to consider themselves married they can do that. It is just saying that a particular recognition won't be granted and that certain benefits going along with that recognition won't be provided.

This thing of saying that not recognizing homosexual relationships as marriage is taking freedom away is nonsense. Like saying, "They are not free to marry." That's like saying "I am not free to have my wife call me King John" because she decides she's not going to call me "King John." This twisted notion that "freedom" involves having others perceive you in a certain way should be rejected. It won't be. But it should.

[kalm]

Liberty is not a left/right thing. You can't have it both ways...whatever the hell you are.

I know we go round and round on this but every time somebody says something that makes me think they are saying that homosexual marriage is a "liberty" issue I have to say that it is not. No liberty is taken away by virtue of the way marriage is defined.

If government says that two homosexuals can't live together and be life partners, then they are interferring with their liberty. Same is it says that one man can't live with two women, etc.

But government saying it won't recognize those relationships as "marriages" is not a denial of liberty. It is not saying they can't do what they want to do. In fact, if they want to consider themselves married they can do that. It is just saying that a particular recognition won't be granted and that certain benefits going along with that recognition won't be provided.

This thing of saying that not recognizing homosexual relationships as marriage is taking freedom away is nonsense. Like saying, "They are not free to marry." That's like saying "I am not free to have my wife call me King John" because she decides she's not going to call me "King John." This twisted notion that "freedom" involves having others perceive you in a certain way should be rejected. It won't be. But it should.

Government recognizing the same rights for gays as heterosexuals does not require you to perceive them in a certain way.

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

Government already does recognize the same "right" for gay and heterosexuals.



Gays just dont want to follow the laws on the books they want special treatment, they have every "right" that I do.

[mainejeff]

Government already does recognize the same "right" for gay and heterosexuals.



Gays just dont want to follow the laws on the books they want special treatment, they have every "right" that I do.

No they don't. But you are correct........they DO want the special treatment that heterosexual married couples receive from the government.

[Cap'n Cat]

To say that Reagan "won" the Cold War for the US is patently ridiculous, ignorant of fact and offensive to all people, from Presidents to buck privates, who put their asses on the line for America during that time.

[kalm]

Of course we could just have them "cuddle" the gay away and not have to worry about all of this.

The idea behind cuddle conversion is that homosexuality — or same-sex attraction (SSA), as proponents prefer to call it — is caused in part by a lack of fatherly love and affection. The thinking is that when boys miss out on healthy same-sex affection, they eroticize all male touch. Wyler, a “life coach” and founder of People Can Change, runs the “Journey Into Manhood” weekend retreat, which is heavy on physical contact, from wrestling to bear hugs. The more you find out about this event, the more remiss NPR seems in failing to mention it. Writer Ted Cox went undercover last year at one of these workshops and detailed his close encounters for Alternet:

I sat on the floor between the outstretched legs of a camp guide, my head leaning back against his shoulder. The guide sat behind me, his arms wrapped around my chest. This hold was called “The Motorcycle.” Five men surrounded the two of us, their hands resting gently on my arms, legs and chest.

While in this position, Cox writes that he felt “the unmistakable bulge pressing through [the guide's] tight jeans.” But erections are just a part of the healing process! As Richard Cohen, the progenitor of cuddle conversion, wrote in his book “Coming Out Straight,” “It is natural for us to feel stimulation when we are intimate with either someone of the same or opposite sex.” He also warns, “Do not become hooked on holding,” because “this technique can be addictive.”

Cohen, former president of Parents and Friends of Gays and Ex-Gays (PFOX), was shunned by the ex-gay movement after a series of embarrassing media appearances. In a 2007 “Daily Show” profile of Cohen, a male correspondent had what’s known as “the parental position” demonstrated on him. The clip got enough negative attention that the National Association for the Research and Therapy of Homosexuals (NARTH) and even PFOX deleted all references on their websites to the cuddle evangelist. But the practice is still alive and well, as Wyler proves.

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Conks.

[89Hen]

Kalm, these organizations seem rather ridiculous, but they bring up an interesting point. I know a few gay people who were married to people of the opposite sex prior to coming out. Now I know that there was much more of a stigma about being gay when they probably got married and maybe they were kidding themselves about who they really were because of fear of this stigma. But would you say the reverse can't or doesn't happen?

[kalm]

Kalm, these organizations seem rather ridiculous, but they bring up an interesting point. I know a few gay people who were married to people of the opposite sex prior to coming out. Now I know that there was much more of a stigma about being gay when they probably got married and maybe they were kidding themselves about who they really were because of fear of this stigma. But would you say the reverse can't or doesn't happen?

Anything can happen and nothing really surprises me when it comes to other people's sexuality. We are all a bunch of freaks... or normal - depending on how judgmental and puritanical you are.

The funny part about that story is that the "cuddle therapists" might be just a little confused about their own preferences.

[Cap'n Cat]

Kalm, these organizations seem rather ridiculous, but they bring up an interesting point. I know a few gay people who were married to people of the opposite sex prior to coming out. Now I know that there was much more of a stigma about being gay when they probably got married and maybe they were kidding themselves about who they really were because of fear of this stigma. But would you say the reverse can't or doesn't happen?

Anything can happen and nothing really surprises me when it comes to other people's sexuality. We are all a bunch of freaks... or normal - depending on how judgmental and puritanical you are.

The funny part about that story is that the "cuddle therapists" might be just a little confused about their own preferences.

Good post, kalmie. High-order thinking Conks can't understand.

[89Hen]

The funny part about that story is that the "cuddle therapists" might be just a little confused about their own preferences.

Or they are signing up because they are hoping to do exactly what they're doing. Just sayin.

[bluehenbillk]

Love Christie, you may not like what he stands for but at least he stands up for what he believes and doenst waiver or care who feelings he hurts. In other words he is the only political LEADER in this country right now........thats why he scares people.

Keep it up fat ass the USA needs more guys like you.

If Christie can succeed in getting people like Capn and manejeff to move to Oslo then I might just blow him.

+1


Christie is what you call a true leader - it's just a shame he didn't run in 2012..he'd stroll right into Pennsylvania Ave.

[89Hen]

High-order thinking Conks can't understand.

or perhaps see things differently.

[Cap'n Cat]

High-order thinking Conks can't understand.

or perhaps see things differently.

Yeah, seems simple, don't it, Hen? Conks fail to grasp alternate scenarios and, in their self-righteousness, discount them. Look in the mirror.

[kalm]

The funny part about that story is that the "cuddle therapists" might be just a little confused about their own preferences.

Or they are signing up because they are hoping to do exactly what they're doing. Just sayin.

No I'm talking about the therapists, the guys running the therapy program who are in charge of "cuddling the gay" out of other men.

If they like to cuddle other men in the "motorcycle" enough to get a boner, fine. But why then the ruse of gay conversion?
It's the same sad situation as Larry Craig who lived a lie for years because he was too ashamed to admit to his wife and everyone else what he liked. His culture shamed him into deceit.

[Cap'n Cat]

Love Christie, you may not like what he stands for but at least he stands up for what he believes and doenst waiver or care who feelings he hurts. In other words he is the only political LEADER in this country right now........thats why he scares people.

Keep it up fat ass the USA needs more guys like you.

If Christie can succeed in getting people like Capn and manejeff to move to Oslo then I might just blow him.

+1


Christie is what you call a true leader - it's just a shame he didn't run in 2012..he'd stroll right into Pennsylvania Ave.

He'd need an assist........

[Cap'n Cat]

Or they are signing up because they are hoping to do exactly what they're doing. Just sayin.

No I'm talking about the therapists, the guys running the therapy program who are in charge of "cuddling the gay" out of other men.

If they like to cuddle other men in the "motorcycle" enough to get a boner, fine. But why then the ruse of gay conversion?
It's the same sad situation as Larry Craig who lived a lie for years because he was too ashamed to admit to his wife and everyone else what he liked. His culture shamed him into deceit.

Been telling Conks this for years, kalmie. Good luck.

[89Hen]

Or they are signing up because they are hoping to do exactly what they're doing. Just sayin.

No I'm talking about the therapists, the guys running the therapy program who are in charge of "cuddling the gay" out of other men.

I got that. "Sign up" should maybe have been "apply for".

[89Hen]

or perhaps see things differently.

Yeah, seems simple, don't it, Hen? Conks fail to grasp alternate scenarios and, in their self-righteousness, discount them. Look in the mirror.

You're kidding, right? Perhaps you didnt' even read the couple posts leading up to your post.

[kalm]

No I'm talking about the therapists, the guys running the therapy program who are in charge of "cuddling the gay" out of other men.

If they like to cuddle other men in the "motorcycle" enough to get a boner, fine. But why then the ruse of gay conversion?
It's the same sad situation as Larry Craig who lived a lie for years because he was too ashamed to admit to his wife and everyone else what he liked. His culture shamed him into deceit.

Been telling Conks this for years, kalmie. Good luck.

You would think a true conservative would appreciate the liberty of sexual freedom between consenting adults.

[Cap'n Cat]

Yeah, seems simple, don't it, Hen? Conks fail to grasp alternate scenarios and, in their self-righteousness, discount them. Look in the mirror.

You're kidding, right? Perhaps you didnt' even read the couple posts leading up to your post.

Cap'n Cat is a self-aware feline. Just want you to know that you do it with great élan, as well, brother.