Obama rated worst President in the Wilson to Obama era

[SeattleGriz]

A Traitor

How the fuck does believing the troops should have been brought home from Vietnam make someone a traitor? Especially a fucking VETERAN of that war?

I assume you've never spoken out against any US military intervention before? I couldn't search your posts and find you saying similar things about Libya or Afghanistan?

Pretty much proven beyond a doubt that Kerry went to Vietnam because he believed it would help him become President. How do you explain his getting out of the military by little known regulations, lack of releasing his DD214 even though he said he would and finally, the fact he filmed "heroic" movies of himself while in Vietnam.

His life was never at risk. His father, who was in the State Department made sure of that.

[Ivytalk]

GWB will easily go down as a bottom five all time president. I'm completely ashamed that I voted for him in 2000. Comparing Obama's disregard of the Constitution to Bush/Cheney's is laughable.

Wanna bet? At Sambo's this year, I'll school you in that subject. By the time I get through with you, you'll be worshiping at the altar of Robert Bork.

[citdog]

"I threw the Constitution of 'the late united states' in the trash.

[Ivytalk]

"I threw the Constitution of 'the late united states' in the trash.

Ah, Jeff Davis was a pussy.

[citdog]

"I threw the Constitution of 'the late united states' in the trash.

Ah, Jeff Davis was a STATESMAN..

accuracy.........etc.....etc.....

[93henfan]

Abraham Lincoln had hopes to be a boxer when he was teenager, but his dad encouraged him to pursue politics because he couldn't take a shot to the head.

[JohnStOnge]

Ah yes, the Constitution. This must have been how it went down with the Bible a couple hundred years after it was written.........a bunch of power grabbers must have sensed that if they could enshrine a document in Godliness........they would keep and expand their power over the minions. Very soon, I expect to hear from some some whacked out Republican that the Constitution was written by the hand of God, and that the story about the men that wrote it was all a vast liberal conspiracy.

All venom and acrimony aside, what we call "The Bible" was written over more than 1,000 years as a series of separate works by something like 40 different authors. None of them were thinking "I'm writing the Bible." The separate works were later put together to form the book.

The Constitution was written in a relatively short time frame as a complete document for a specific purpose. We have a detailed description of how it is supposed to work in the form of The Federalist, which is a series of articles written specifically to tell those who were considering ratification how it was supposed to work.

[Ibanez]

Carter invaded Iran...to rescue the American hostages they took. The move failed, and the hostages were released soon after the inauguration of Reagan. Reagan's campaign colluded with the Iranians to hold the hostages until after the inauguration to ensure the election by making Carter look bad.

Did Tigger tell you that?

[travelinman67]

Judicial Watch obtains Valerie Jarrett's family file...

They're all communist!

SURPRISE!!!!

https://www.judicialwatch.org/blog/2015 ... ts-family/

FBI Files Document Communism in Valerie Jarrett’s Family

JUNE 22, 2015

Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) files obtained by Judicial Watch reveal that the dad, maternal grandpa and father-in-law of President Obama’s trusted senior advisor,Valerie Jarrett, were hardcore Communists under investigation by the U.S. government.
Jarrett’s dad, pathologist and geneticist Dr. James Bowman, had extensive ties to Communist associations and individuals, his lengthy FBI file shows. In 1950 Bowman was in communication with a paid Soviet agent named Alfred Stern, who fled to Prague after getting charged with espionage. Bowman was also a member of a Communist-sympathizing group called the Association of Internes and Medical Students.
After his discharge from the Army Medical Corps in 1955, Bowman moved to Iran to work, the FBI records show.According to Bowman’s government file the Association of Internes and Medical Students is an organization that “has long been a faithful follower of the Communist Party line” and engages in un-American activities. Bowman was born in Washington D.C. and had deep ties to Chicago, where he often collaborated with fellow Communists.
JW also obtained documents on Bowman from the U.S. Office of Personnel Management (OPM) showing that the FBI was brought into investigate him for his membership in a group that “follows the communist party line.” The Jarrett family Communist ties also include a business partnership between Jarrett’s maternal grandpa, Robert Rochon Taylor, and Stern, the Soviet agent associated with her dad. Jarrett’s father-in-law, Vernon Jarrett, was also another big-time Chicago Communist, according to separate FBI files obtained by JW as part of a probe into the Jarrett family’s Communist ties. For a period of time Vernon Jarrett appeared on the FBI’s Security Index and was considered a potential Communist saboteur who was to be arrested in the event of a conflict with the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics (USSR). His FBI file reveals that he was assigned to write propaganda for a Communist Party front group in Chicago that would “disseminate the Communist Party line among…the middle class.”
It’s been well documented that Valerie Jarrett, a Chicago lawyer and longtime Obama confidant, is a liberal extremist who wields tremendous power in the White House. Faithful to her roots, she still has connections to many Communist and extremist groups, including the Muslim Brotherhood. Jarrett and her family also had strong ties to Frank Marshal Davis, a big Obama mentor and Communist Party member with an extensive FBI file.
JW has exposed Valerie Jarrett’s many transgressions over the years, including her role in covering up a scandalous gun-running operation carried out by the Department of Justice (DOJ). Last fall JW obtained public records that show Jarrett was a key player in the effort to cover up that Attorney General Eric Holder lied to Congress about the Fast and Furious, a disastrous experiment in which the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco Firearms and Explosives (ATF) allowed guns from the U.S. to be smuggled into Mexico so they could eventually be traced to drug cartels. Instead, federal law enforcement officers lost track of hundreds of weapons which have been used in an unknown number of crimes, including the murder of a U.S. Border Patrol agent in Arizona.
In 2008 JW got documents linking Valerie Jarrett, who also served as co-chairman of Obama’s presidential transition team, to a series of real estate scandals, including several housing projects operated by convicted felon and Obama fundraiser/friend Antoin “Tony” Rezko. According to the documents obtained from the Illinois Secretary of State, Valerie Jarrett served as a board member for several organizations that provided funding and support for Chicago slum projects operated by Rezko.

Just another piece of the case.

The Obama Administration's mission is to weaken our Nation's foundation.

[dbackjon]

Yes, we are all commies.


Glad you figured that out. Now go back to your youtubes, Expando

[andy7171]

I don't fall for these deep conspiracies often. But the VJ one intrigues me. And scares me a bit.

[kalm]

Yes, we are all commies.


Glad you figured that out. Now go back to your youtubes, Expando

Hey, Tman stumbled on to something fresh and new here. FBI commie investigations from the 50's!

[CID1990]

I don't fall for these deep conspiracies often. But the VJ one intrigues me. And scares me a bit.

She's a known quantity. FBI files on her family just go a long way towards explaining how she comes by her Chicago ways honestly, that's all.

[travelinman67]

I don't fall for these deep conspiracies often. But the VJ one intrigues me. And scares me a bit.

She's a known quantity. FBI files on her family just go a long way towards explaining how she comes by her Chicago ways honestly, that's all.

Moreso, the Dumbydonks shrieked when Bush surrounded himself with "ethically challenged" counsel, yet ignore when their boy has a born and bred communist as his chief advisor.

Yet, the Donks demand to be taken seriously.

[houndawg]

Ah yes, the Constitution. This must have been how it went down with the Bible a couple hundred years after it was written.........a bunch of power grabbers must have sensed that if they could enshrine a document in Godliness........they would keep and expand their power over the minions. Very soon, I expect to hear from some some whacked out Republican that the Constitution was written by the hand of God, and that the story about the men that wrote it was all a vast liberal conspiracy.

All venom and acrimony aside, what we call "The Bible" was written over more than 1,000 years as a series of separate works by something like 40 different authors. None of them were thinking "I'm writing the Bible." The separate works were later put together to form the book.

The Constitution was written in a relatively short time frame as a complete document for a specific purpose. We have a detailed description of how it is supposed to work in the form of The Federalist, which is a series of articles written specifically to tell those who were considering ratification how it was supposed to work.

You're even more dull than CID.

[D1B]

Yes, we are all commies.


Glad you figured that out. Now go back to your youtubes, Expando

Hey, Tman stumbled on to something fresh and new here. FBI commie investigations from the 50's!

Tman6.93 - always a good laugh.

[Chizzang]

Back on the original topic:
Obama might actually go down quite a bit differently than the foaming at the mouth Radio Right wing hopes...
The history books will tell future generations quite a few things about American's first black president

*The affordable Care Act
25 years from now people won't be able to imagine a world where some folks didn't have healthcare
And it will be difficult to explain why people didn't and why some people did

*Killing Bin Laden
25 years from now he'll be the president listed under that banner

*Marriage Rights
25 years from now nobody will understand why tax breaks and Retirement Benefits and Estate holdings were only available to a man and a woman (and a corporation) but withheld from same sex partners..?
and it will be difficult to explain why a government would openly benefit one and not all



Not saying I think he's a good president
but this fantasy that he's going down as the worst ever is a pipe dream
The history books will have a whole bunch of nice things to say about his terms

[Vidav]

Worse:

Coolidge, Hoover, JFK, Carter, Reagan, Bush, Bush.

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

Keep drinking Russian all of those guys especially the Bushes are light years ahead of the dumbest fucker ever elected.

[travelinman67]

Back on the original topic:
Obama might actually go down quite a bit differently than the foaming at the mouth Radio Right wing hopes...
The history books will tell future generations quite a few things about American's first black president

*The affordable Care Act
25 years from now people won't be able to imagine a world where some folks didn't have healthcare
And it will be difficult to explain why people didn't and why some people did

*Killing Bin Laden
25 years from now he'll be the president listed under that banner

*Marriage Rights
25 years from now nobody will understand why tax breaks and Retirement Benefits and Estate holdings were only available to a man and a woman (and a corporation) but withheld from same sex partners..?
and it will be difficult to explain why a government would openly benefit one and not all



Not saying I think he's a good president
but this fantasy that he's going down as the worst ever is a pipe dream
The history books will have a whole bunch of nice things to say about his terms

Thank you, David Axelrod.

At all levels, the Obama Administration has been the most corrupt, least transparent, most lawless of any administration over the past 90 years.
At this point, it doesn't really matter what bills/policies he's implemented, as his corruption, much of which hasn't been made public yet due to a corrupt Justice Department's refusal ro investigate or prosecute, will be exposed over the next decade.

While he seems like a decent person, his actions belie his persona.

[Ibanez]

Worse:

Coolidge, Hoover, JFK, Carter, Reagan, Bush, Bush.

Hoover actually wasn't that bad. It wasn't his policies that lead to the great depression, it just happened on his watch. A decade of excess culminated with under his administration. Look up what he did during WW1, that's the greatness of Hoover. Hoover enters on March 4, 1929 and by August the recession had begun. He didn't cause that. MAYBE something he did as Commerce Secretary is a cause, but he get's a bad reputation and all because he was there when it happened.

[kalm]

Back on the original topic:
Obama might actually go down quite a bit differently than the foaming at the mouth Radio Right wing hopes...
The history books will tell future generations quite a few things about American's first black president

*The affordable Care Act
25 years from now people won't be able to imagine a world where some folks didn't have healthcare
And it will be difficult to explain why people didn't and why some people did

*Killing Bin Laden
25 years from now he'll be the president listed under that banner

*Marriage Rights
25 years from now nobody will understand why tax breaks and Retirement Benefits and Estate holdings were only available to a man and a woman (and a corporation) but withheld from same sex partners..?
and it will be difficult to explain why a government would openly benefit one and not all



Not saying I think he's a good president
but this fantasy that he's going down as the worst ever is a pipe dream
The history books will have a whole bunch of nice things to say about his terms

Thank you, David Axelrod.

At all levels, the Obama Administration has been the most corrupt, least transparent, most lawless of any administration over the past 90 years.
At this point, it doesn't really matter what bills/policies he's implemented, as his corruption, much of which hasn't been made public yet due to a corrupt Justice Department's refusal ro investigate or prosecute, will be exposed over the next decade.

While he seems like a decent person, his actions belie his persona.

I'm guessing Reagan and Bush are well ahead of Obama in administration convictions but I'm siding with Tman here a bit. The Holder DOJ had no interest in going after Bush officials or Wall Street so it's not much of a shock they didn't go after their own. Then there's the revolving regulatory door:

That's the forest, and here are some of its trees:

The great investigative financial journalist Pam Martens, at her "Wall Street On Parade" website, headlined on April 16th, "The Foreclosure Settlement Scandal: It's All About Paying Former Regulators Billions," and she reported that the sub-contractor that the Obama Administration had allowed Bank of America to hire in order to evaluate the harms that the bank had done to defrauded mortgagees, and in order to calculate how much these victims should be compensated by the bank for their illegally foreclosed homes, etc., "is chock full of dozens of former regulators," such as Mary Schapiro, former chair of the Securities and Exchange Commission, and Eugene Ludwig, former general counsel to the Office of Comptroller of the Currency, which is another major mega-bank "regulator." Consequently, "Today, online forums are exploding with comments from outraged foreclosure victims who have just received $300 or $500 [compensation from the bank, as negotiated by the Obama Administration] after losing all the equity in their homes in bogus foreclosures." That's a tree in Obama's corruption forest.

Here's another: The "Dealbook" blog of The New York Times headlined on March 28th, "Once More Through the Revolving Door for Justice's Breuer," and reported that Lanny Breuer, who had overseen all of the decisions regarding investigating, and regarding whether or not to prosecute, the heads of the mega-banks that U.S. taxpayers have thus far bailed out for trillions of dollars of losses that had been suffered by the inside investors in their firms, is now returning to his old law firm of Covington and Burling, in order to make an estimated $4 million in his first year back. He "will now shift to defending large corporations." which he had always actually been doing, especially when Barack Obama, and Breuer's fellow Covington and Burling corporate-defense lawyer Eric Holder, hired Breuer, to protect the banksters from the public. So: another tree has fallen.

Here is how Barack Obama had put this matter, when he secretly met with the banksters inside the White House on 27 March 2009: "My administration ... is the only thing between you and the pitchforks." He has kept his promise to them. That is the reason why "online forums are exploding with comments from outraged foreclosure victims," and why outraged outside investors in the mega-banks' fraudulent mortgage-backed securities investments are likewise treated as being "pitchforks," instead of as being victims.

Furthermore, Martens documented on April 12, under the headline, "Elizabeth Warren's Foreclosure Settlement Bombshell: Banks Determined the Number of Victims of Their Own Foreclosure Frauds," that the mega-banks even determined whether, and how much, to pay to compensate each one of their victims, individually. The great bankster-crime prosecutor, and Senator from Massachusetts, Elizabeth Warren, had extracted this stunning information during Senate testimony, on April 11th. Martens then phoned the relevant bank-regulating agency, the Office of the Comptroller of the Currency, and they confirmed to her that this was, indeed, so.

On 15 November 2011, Syracuse University's authoritative latest periodic count of federal prosecutions of white-collar crimes was published, headlining "Criminal Prosecutions for Financial Institution Fraud Continue to Fall," and it reported that whereas the number of these prosecutions was a rather steady 3,000 per year until George W. Bush came into office, these numbers have fallen steadily each year since then, and had gotten down to around a thousand per year under Obama, and were still falling, as of 2011. Lots of trees have been falling.

As Marcy Wheeler at Alternet documented on April 15th (providing the evidence from Robert Greenwald's new documentary, War on Whistleblowers), President Obama has been waging a ferocious war against whistleblowers in the federal government, prosecuting them under laws that were intended to be used instead against spies against the government, rather than against whistleblowers. He out-does even George W. Bush in destroying the lives of whistleblowers. His silent campaign against them is shockingly intense.

The rot certainly starts at the top. I am a proud Democrat who can tell a phony one clearly, especially when it's demonstrated by four years of remarkably consistent criminal (and profoundly conservative) decisions by him. Obama is a phony Democrat. He is, at best, Romney-light. Maybe he is, in some ways, even Bush-heavy. As regards non-prosecutions of financial fraudsters, the data show him to be Bush-heavy.

So, with President Obama being a highly skillful accessory after the fact, regarding the massive outburst of financial crimes that had occurred under George W. Bush - with a person like this, being now at the very top of the American Executive Branch, including of the "Justice" Department, to prosecute these mega-crooks or else not - how much of a rigged game is the U.S. economy, really?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/eric-zues ... 94454.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I wouldn't hold my breath for future administrations to prosecute this one. It's bad form to strike out at fellows inside the bubble but yeah...he's pretty damned corrupt. And yes, Chizzy, history will more than likely look too kindly upon him.

[Baldy]

Back on the original topic:
Obama might actually go down quite a bit differently than the foaming at the mouth Radio Right wing hopes...
The history books will tell future generations quite a few things about American's first black president

*The affordable Care Act
25 years from now people won't be able to imagine a world where some folks didn't have healthcare
And it will be difficult to explain why people didn't and why some people did

*Killing Bin Laden
25 years from now he'll be the president listed under that banner

*Marriage Rights
25 years from now nobody will understand why tax breaks and Retirement Benefits and Estate holdings were only available to a man and a woman (and a corporation) but withheld from same sex partners..?
and it will be difficult to explain why a government would openly benefit one and not all



Not saying I think he's a good president
but this fantasy that he's going down as the worst ever is a pipe dream
The history books will have a whole bunch of nice things to say about his terms

Well, let's look at his contemporary, Jimmy Carter.

Carter is regarded by most as one of the worst presidents in modern history.

His largest accomplishment was (by far) the Camp David Accords. Probably the most powerful and successful diplomatic accomplishment since WWII.
Unfortunately for Carter he will always be remembered for the Iranian Hostage Crisis, Stagflation, the Misery Index, 21% interest rates, and put on a sweater if you're chilly.

Regarding Gay Marriage...Obama had nothing to do with it. Like Roe v. Wade, the SCOTUS will get all of the glory from that accomplishment.
The ACA is going to crush itself under it's own weight before all is said and done.
Killing Bin Laden...He will get credit, but when the kids see it in the history books, they will see this image:



That photo shows Lt. Gen. Marshall Webb was the guy in charge of the operation while Obama looks like a little boy who got called into the principal's office.

He will be remembered for the implosion of the Middle East under his watch...ISIS, the failed "Arab Spring", the fall of Iraq, Syria, and Libya, domestic spying, drones, Benghazi, IRS targeting of political groups, and playing 10,000 rounds of golf as president.

The history books will try to be kind, but to the general public, his presidency will still be regarded as the 2nd term of Jimmy Carter.

[kalm]

Back on the original topic:
Obama might actually go down quite a bit differently than the foaming at the mouth Radio Right wing hopes...
The history books will tell future generations quite a few things about American's first black president

*The affordable Care Act
25 years from now people won't be able to imagine a world where some folks didn't have healthcare
And it will be difficult to explain why people didn't and why some people did

*Killing Bin Laden
25 years from now he'll be the president listed under that banner

*Marriage Rights
25 years from now nobody will understand why tax breaks and Retirement Benefits and Estate holdings were only available to a man and a woman (and a corporation) but withheld from same sex partners..?
and it will be difficult to explain why a government would openly benefit one and not all



Not saying I think he's a good president
but this fantasy that he's going down as the worst ever is a pipe dream
The history books will have a whole bunch of nice things to say about his terms

Well, let's look at his contemporary, Jimmy Carter.

Carter is regarded by most as one of the worst presidents in modern history.

His largest accomplishment was (by far) the Camp David Accords. Probably the most powerful and successful diplomatic accomplishment since WWII.
Unfortunately for Carter he will always be remembered for the Iranian Hostage Crisis, Stagflation, the Misery Index, 21% interest rates, and put on a sweater if you're chilly.

Regarding Gay Marriage...Obama had nothing to do with it. Like Roe v. Wade, the SCOTUS will get all of the glory from that accomplishment.
The ACA is going to crush itself under it's own weight before all is said and done.
Killing Bin Laden...He will get credit, but when the kids see it in the history books, they will see this image:



That photo shows Lt. Gen. Marshall Webb was the guy in charge of the operation while Obama looks like a little boy who got called into the principal's office.

He will be remembered for the implosion of the Middle East under his watch...ISIS, the failed "Arab Spring", the fall of Iraq, Syria, and Libya, domestic spying, drones, Benghazi, IRS targeting of political groups, and playing 10,000 rounds of golf as president.

The history books will try to be kind, but to the general public, his presidency will still be regarded as the 2nd term of Jimmy Carter.

Carter should also be remembered for calling for an end to our dependence on foreign oil and putting solar panels on the WH (which Reagan had removed)

[Ibanez]

So, I just did a quick read on Hoover. I've read a biography on him but that was years ago. I find it absolutely interesting that, at first, he was probably the most transparent administration when it came to the press. No president has been as open as he was since then. Obama is probably one of the least transparent, IMO.


What's equally interesting, that since he was a self-made millionaire, he gave away all of his presidential income. He was the first. JFK donated all of his presidential income to charity.

Who knows how he would have been if he didn't have the Great Depression to deal with. But, his legacy is marred by it.