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TwinTownBisonFan wrote:PP national lost 680k when Komen pulled their money.

Since then they've raised at LEAST 900k in donations (including 250k from Bloomberg)

Moreover - local PP chapters are being "swamped" (the words of a local PP staffer I know) with donations - even though they didn't lose any money as a result.

While I'm sure Komen's donations are up from anti-abortion folks - this seems like a PR DISASTER for Komen... politicizing themselves like this NEVER goes well - no matter which side you're on. Long-term, their success has been driven by the universality of their agenda. Corporate donations will slow as a result of this... because corporations don't want to be tied to controversy of any kind. Komen used to be a safe place to put their charity... not anymore.

Their organization is being pulled to the right by Karen Handel - newly hired to run Komen's policy division... she ran for Governor of Georgia... far right and anti-choice - her fingerprints are all over this.

A bigger question might be why exactly Komen is continuing to support Penn State... also "under investigation"... if this is "not politically motivated"
Since Komen has pulled their support from the pro abortion PP, their donations are up 100%:
After cutting ties with Planned Parenthood, Komen donations up 100 percent
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Funny - they haven't given a dollare amount
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Komen says it will honor its current grant to PP and that PP will "remain eligible to apply for future grants."

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Brilliant move to shut up the loudmouths for the moment. But PP is not getting any future grants. I think as any decent PR person will tell you, the first announcement was the decision. What follows now is spin.
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Komen will never get a dime from my ass after their blatant, scared of the liberal media 180. It takes GUTS to stand for what is right and abortion, in any shape or form, is nothing more than glorified infanticide practiced by the followers of Moloch and his ilk. Where is Eric Rudolph when we need him again?!!! God bless him, martyr that he is!
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catamount man wrote:Komen will never get a dime from my ass after their blatant, scared of the liberal media 180. It takes GUTS to stand for what is right and abortion, in any shape or form, is nothing more than glorified infanticide practiced by the followers of Moloch and his ilk. Where is Eric Rudolph when we need him again?!!! God bless him, martyr that he is!
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Actually, they were grown adults committing homosexual acts on each other and killing Christians. You hate God? You'll take it up with Him someday.
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catamount man wrote:Actually, they were grown adults committing homosexual acts on each other and killing Christians. You hate God? You'll take it up with Him someday.
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catamount man wrote:Komen will never get a dime from my ass after their blatant, scared of the liberal media 180. It takes GUTS to stand for what is right and abortion, in any shape or form, is nothing more than glorified infanticide practiced by the followers of Moloch and his ilk. Where is Eric Rudolph when we need him again?!!! God bless him, martyr that he is!
Eric Rudolph is a disgusting terrorist - he's rotting in a prison, where he belongs - he's no martyr.
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89Hen wrote:
TwinTownBisonFan wrote:this seems like a PR DISASTER for Komen... politicizing themselves...
Bullshit. This almost sounds like extortion.
Extortion? What the what? (seriously - I have no idea what point you are trying to make... please clarify)
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TwinTownBisonFan wrote:
catamount man wrote:Komen will never get a dime from my ass after their blatant, scared of the liberal media 180. It takes GUTS to stand for what is right and abortion, in any shape or form, is nothing more than glorified infanticide practiced by the followers of Moloch and his ilk. Where is Eric Rudolph when we need him again?!!! God bless him, martyr that he is!
Eric Rudolph is a disgusting terrorist - he's rotting in a prison, where he belongs - he's no martyr.
Seriously. Catamount man you are a sick motherfucker. You should probably just end it now, make the world a better place. :thumb:
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JoltinJoe wrote:
TwinTownBisonFan wrote:PP national lost 680k when Komen pulled their money.

Since then they've raised at LEAST 900k in donations (including 250k from Bloomberg)

Moreover - local PP chapters are being "swamped" (the words of a local PP staffer I know) with donations - even though they didn't lose any money as a result.

While I'm sure Komen's donations are up from anti-abortion folks - this seems like a PR DISASTER for Komen... politicizing themselves like this NEVER goes well - no matter which side you're on. Long-term, their success has been driven by the universality of their agenda. Corporate donations will slow as a result of this... because corporations don't want to be tied to controversy of any kind. Komen used to be a safe place to put their charity... not anymore.

Their organization is being pulled to the right by Karen Handel - newly hired to run Komen's policy division... she ran for Governor of Georgia... far right and anti-choice - her fingerprints are all over this.

A bigger question might be why exactly Komen is continuing to support Penn State... also "under investigation"... if this is "not politically motivated"
I thought you were done with political spin?

Long term, Komen dumping PP is a disaster for PP. Yes, Komen has taken a hit on the internet from enraged "supporters" of PP, but that's really going to be it. Komen's donations are up 100% over the last few days and these new, pro-life contributors to Komen will continue to give because they are personally more generous than the "supporters" that Komen has lost. PP has received an initial increase in donations, but this will go away shortly, because these donors gave only to make a point. They are not generally personally generous. PP will rest on its laurel of claiming that donations went up and will ignore that after a pop, and hope everyone ignores that this giving was not sustained long-term.

Komen is a sophisticated charity and studied the consequences of its decision before it did it. Pro-lifers have been withholding support from Komen because of its support for PP, and pro-lifers are personally generous people.

Face it, one of the nation's most sophisticated charities studied the issue, and concluded that it was better off, long term, by dumping PP. Get it? Moreover, once other charities and corporations begin seeing that long-term there is more upside in dumping PP -- and the only negative will be short-term angry chatter on the internet from people who never gave in the first place, claiming that they will never give to you again -- well, PP better get used to this.

But the big problem for PP is in Washington. A Senate Subcommittee is currently investigating PP and auditing it to determine whether federal funds, which cannot be used to provide abortion services, are in fact being used for such services. PP claims otherwise, but everyone knows it is lying and that it is understating its expenses associated with its abortion services. When the investigation is done, the big hammer is going to fall on it and it is going to lose its federal grant money. Then Uncle Mike Bloomberg is going to need to fork over about $500,000,000 a year to "replace" the money lost.

Planned Parenthood has been lying so long it thinks it is immune to the consequences of lying. It was started by a liar, fueled its growth by lying, and now will be killed off ultimately because of its lies. How fitting.
You are blinded by your hatred of PP. While you are right that there will be pro-lifer money flowing in to Komen that wouldn't otherwise... that will hardly offset the damage done. It's not even those who side WITH PP... it's the damage done to their reputation as an "above the political fray" organization that had a level of universal acceptance and support that was the envy of the non-profit community.

By wading in to a controversial subject - and taking a side like that... they've damaged their brand, I suspect irreparably, with this. The corporate money will move to something less risky, less politically charged. All companies want is something non-controversial and safe - and now Komen isn't it.
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The increased donations to PP are an "outrage" bump.

Just as new donations to Komen are a "solidarity" bump.

It is stupid and naive to somehow suggest that either of these phenomena are long term, but yuck it up while you can.

Neither organization will be drastically affected by this. (Although one of these orgs is currently under investigation for unethical practices, and that same org is much more dependent on government largesse.)
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dbackjon wrote:1) Pays President $500K/year
2) Sues anyone that uses the color pink, or incorporates "For the Cure" in any fundraising literature - for ANY disease:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/12/0 ... 93176.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
3) Komen's new vice president, Karen Handel, had run for governor of Georgia in 2010 on an aggressively anti-abortion and anti-Planned Parenthood platform and was endorsed by Sarah Palin because of her opposition to reproductive choice. Handel wrote in her campaign blog that she "do not support the mission of Planned Parenthood."
4) Stops donating money to PP for breast exams for lower income women


The "leadership" of the Komen Foundation has turned a good cause into a personal money-making/poitical racket. Shame on them.
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My mom died from breast cancer in 1995 and my wife had breast cancer in 2002 but survived, beat it, and is 100% healthy after a double mastectomy, chemo, radiation, and total breast reconstruction.

I have given literally thousands of dollars to SGK and other research organizations through the years. I NEVER had any inkling that a CENT of my money was going to Planned Parenthood.

I will NOT give another red CENT to SGK. Period.

To advertise and depict yourself as an organization that saves lives on one hand while financially supporting an organization that terminates about 300k lives every year is the height of hypocracy. Shame on them.
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blueballs wrote:My mom died from breast cancer in 1995 and my wife had breast cancer in 2002 but survived, beat it, and is 100% healthy after a double mastectomy, chemo, radiation, and total breast reconstruction.

I have given literally thousands of dollars to SGK and other research organizations through the years. I NEVER had any inkling that a CENT of my money was going to Planned Parenthood.

I will NOT give another red CENT to SGK. Period.

To advertise and depict yourself as an organization that saves lives on one hand while financially supporting an organization that terminates about 300k lives every year is the height of hypocracy. Shame on them.
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blueballs wrote:My mom died from breast cancer in 1995 and my wife had breast cancer in 2002 but survived, beat it, and is 100% healthy after a double mastectomy, chemo, radiation, and total breast reconstruction.

I have given literally thousands of dollars to SGK and other research organizations through the years. I NEVER had any inkling that a CENT of my money was going to Planned Parenthood.

I will NOT give another red CENT to SGK. Period.

To advertise and depict yourself as an organization that saves lives on one hand while financially supporting an organization that terminates about 300k lives every year is the height of hypocracy. Shame on them.
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TwinTownBisonFan wrote:
89Hen wrote: Bullshit. This almost sounds like extortion.
Extortion? What the what? (seriously - I have no idea what point you are trying to make... please clarify)
Groups can choose whomever they want to support. The clear ATTACK on SGK for choosing to end their support of one particular group borders on ridiculous. Keep giving money to PP or we will organize against you. That's close to extortion.
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Any organization that has as its purpose the preservation and salvation of titties is OTAY in MY book. I could care less what they fund, or don't.
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89Hen wrote:
TwinTownBisonFan wrote:
Extortion? What the what? (seriously - I have no idea what point you are trying to make... please clarify)
Groups can choose whomever they want to support. The clear ATTACK on SGK for choosing to end their support of one particular group borders on ridiculous. Keep giving money to PP or we will organize against you. That's close to extortion.
1. They CAN choose to do whatever they want... but much like free speech... you aren't entitled to not faces consequences for you statements and actions. You pull your money from a group like PP for purely political reason - you can't be surprised when there is a backlash.

2. Pulling the money from PP in the first place was more "extortion" than the response... right wing groups have been hounding them to cut off funding.
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TwinTownBisonFan wrote:PP national lost 680k when Komen pulled their money.

Since then they've raised at LEAST 900k in donations (including 250k from Bloomberg)

Moreover - local PP chapters are being "swamped" (the words of a local PP staffer I know) with donations - even though they didn't lose any money as a result.

While I'm sure Komen's donations are up from anti-abortion folks - this seems like a PR DISASTER for Komen... politicizing themselves like this NEVER goes well - no matter which side you're on. Long-term, their success has been driven by the universality of their agenda. Corporate donations will slow as a result of this... because corporations don't want to be tied to controversy of any kind. Komen used to be a safe place to put their charity... not anymore.

Their organization is being pulled to the right by Karen Handel - newly hired to run Komen's policy division... she ran for Governor of Georgia... far right and anti-choice - her fingerprints are all over this.

A bigger question might be why exactly Komen is continuing to support Penn State... also "under investigation"... if this is "not politically motivated"
And giving to a group like PP is controversial.
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This whole saga so far as made me sick to my stomach. Planned Parenthood is truly a vile, despicable, detestable, loathsome, abominable organization. They claim they want to reduce the number of abortions yet their adoption referral services get more skimpy and sorry every year. They do almost nothing to help women who don't want an abortion but don't think they can take care of a child and then bitch that anti-abortion folks don't care about unwanted kids after they are born.

Then they have the nerve to say that trying to find another home for money that would go for breast cancer screenings is some kind of politically-motivated theocratic "anti-choice" "war on women". It has nothing to do with the perfectly reasonable contention that fungible money for prevention of breast cancer shouldn't go to places that are essentially a pro-abortion PAC. It is the pro-choice, no scratch that, pro-abortion side that is wanting to bring the abortion issue into breast cancer, and whoever was responsible for setting up the Komen to PP was the one who did it.

It is clear that groups like PP are not interested in compromise with those who dare stand up for the right to life of those who can't speak for themselves. They are just an extremist pro-abortion organization who is all about abortion and not about health or any of the other feel-good causes they claim they support.

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BDKJMU wrote:
TwinTownBisonFan wrote:PP national lost 680k when Komen pulled their money.

Since then they've raised at LEAST 900k in donations (including 250k from Bloomberg)

Moreover - local PP chapters are being "swamped" (the words of a local PP staffer I know) with donations - even though they didn't lose any money as a result.

While I'm sure Komen's donations are up from anti-abortion folks - this seems like a PR DISASTER for Komen... politicizing themselves like this NEVER goes well - no matter which side you're on. Long-term, their success has been driven by the universality of their agenda. Corporate donations will slow as a result of this... because corporations don't want to be tied to controversy of any kind. Komen used to be a safe place to put their charity... not anymore.

Their organization is being pulled to the right by Karen Handel - newly hired to run Komen's policy division... she ran for Governor of Georgia... far right and anti-choice - her fingerprints are all over this.

A bigger question might be why exactly Komen is continuing to support Penn State... also "under investigation"... if this is "not politically motivated"
And giving to a group like PP is controversial.
Not to most mainstream Americans. Especially not to mainstream American women... and since that's Komen's target audience... they now have a problem. 1 in 4 American women has used Planned Parenthood at one time or another in their lives (most for birth control or medical referrals - since only 3% of what PP does is abortion services, contrary to popular misconception)

Corporate America was perfectly fine the way things were before - with Komen giving grants for the specific purpose of providing breast screenings through PP - because the funds, and what they were used for, is in NO WAY controversial. There is another popular misconception, that somehow PP is able to just use grant money for whatever the hell it wants... anyone who has ever worked with grants can tell you that is just flat bullshit. Defrauding a grant is good way to end up in serious legal hot water.

Fact is, these grants were targeted by a fringe minority who hold radical views - and let those views get in the way of what was (and is) a very good program for women's health. They did this under the horribly misguided notion that somehow cutting off these grants would undermine the financial strength of PP and somehow hasten their demise.
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BDKJMU wrote:
And giving to a group like PP is controversial.
Not to most mainstream Americans. Especially not to mainstream American women... and since that's Komen's target audience... they now have a problem. 1 in 4 American women has used Planned Parenthood at one time or another in their lives (most for birth control or medical referrals - since only 3% of what PP does is abortion services, contrary to popular misconception)

Corporate America was perfectly fine the way things were before - with Komen giving grants for the specific purpose of providing breast screenings through PP - because the funds, and what they were used for, is in NO WAY controversial. There is another popular misconception, that somehow PP is able to just use grant money for whatever the hell it wants... anyone who has ever worked with grants can tell you that is just flat bullshit. Defrauding a grant is good way to end up in serious legal hot water.

Fact is, these grants were targeted by a fringe minority who hold radical views - and let those views get in the way of what was (and is) a very good program for women's health. They did this under the horribly misguided notion that somehow cutting off these grants would undermine the financial strength of PP and somehow hasten their demise.
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Pwns wrote:This whole saga so far as made me sick to my stomach. Planned Parenthood is truly a vile, despicable, detestable, loathsome, abominable organization. They claim they want to reduce the number of abortions yet their adoption referral services get more skimpy and sorry every year. They do almost nothing to help women who don't want an abortion but don't think they can take care of a child and then bitch that anti-abortion folks don't care about unwanted kids after they are born.

Then they have the nerve to say that trying to find another home for money that would go for breast cancer screenings is some kind of politically-motivated theocratic "anti-choice" "war on women". It has nothing to do with the perfectly reasonable contention that fungible money for prevention of breast cancer shouldn't go to places that are essentially a pro-abortion PAC. It is the pro-choice, no scratch that, pro-abortion side that is wanting to bring the abortion issue into breast cancer, and whoever was responsible for setting up the Komen to PP was the one who did it.

It is clear that groups like PP are not interested in compromise with those who dare stand up for the right to life of those who can't speak for themselves. They are just an extremist pro-abortion organization who is all about abortion and not about health or any of the other feel-good causes they claim they support.

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kalm wrote:
Pwns wrote:This whole saga so far as made me sick to my stomach. Planned Parenthood is truly a vile, despicable, detestable, loathsome, abominable organization. They claim they want to reduce the number of abortions yet their adoption referral services get more skimpy and sorry every year. They do almost nothing to help women who don't want an abortion but don't think they can take care of a child and then bitch that anti-abortion folks don't care about unwanted kids after they are born.

Then they have the nerve to say that trying to find another home for money that would go for breast cancer screenings is some kind of politically-motivated theocratic "anti-choice" "war on women". It has nothing to do with the perfectly reasonable contention that fungible money for prevention of breast cancer shouldn't go to places that are essentially a pro-abortion PAC. It is the pro-choice, no scratch that, pro-abortion side that is wanting to bring the abortion issue into breast cancer, and whoever was responsible for setting up the Komen to PP was the one who did it.

It is clear that groups like PP are not interested in compromise with those who dare stand up for the right to life of those who can't speak for themselves. They are just an extremist pro-abortion organization who is all about abortion and not about health or any of the other feel-good causes they claim they support.

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Ibanez wrote:
89Hen wrote: On which exact day of pregnancy does it become "horrible"?
If you are aborting tissue and blood that's one thing. If you are sucking out and ripping apart limbs, that's horrible.
So at what day? Limbs don't pop out in one day in a fetus.
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