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bluehenbillk wrote:Most gum laws in this country are too liberal to begin with. I could give a rat's ass if this guy was a veteran or not - this isn't Iraq or Vietnam, know what you're doing & what the laws are before you bring a gun into the friggin Empire State Building.
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Everyone who owns a gun should be responsible for knowing the law of every location he or she wants to carry that gun.

And BTW, there have been numerous high profile accounts of people getting jail time for carrying concealed weapons in NYC that was legally registered in another state.

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Skjellyfetti wrote:
Full faith and credit shall be given in each state to the public acts, records, and judicial proceedings of every other state.
Ok, then how come:
Medical licenses issued in one state aren't accepted in all other states?
Law licenses issued in one state aren't accepted in all other states?
Teaching licenses issued in one state aren't accepted in all other states?
etc, etc, etc...

I read somewhere (can't find it) that the courts have never ruled on whether every state is required to accept the DL's of other states, its just a case of every state having reciprocity with all 49 other states.
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Skjellyfetti wrote:
Full faith and credit shall be given in each state to the public acts, records, and judicial proceedings of every other state.
And neither a marriage license or a CCW according to this Law Prof is a "public Act," a "public record" or a "judicial Proceeding". Is he right? Heck if I know. Have to ask one of the lawyers on here.

"......My own research led me to write in a law review article more than a decade ago that the FFCC does not compel marriage recognition by the states, because the marriage itself is not a public Act, a public record, or a judicial Proceeding. The case law on marriage recognition suggests that it is a matter of comity, not of compulsion under the FFCC, and that states have always been free to refuse to recognize marriages that could not have been performed in their own jurisdiction if they concluded that recognizing such marriages would be inconsistent with their state’s public policies, as articulated in statutes, regulations, and state judicial opinions.

Those who argued that Sec. 2 of DOMA, which provides that states are not required to recognize same-sex marriages from other states, was necessary to protect states from being compelled to recognize such marriages, were just plain wrong. In its FFCC jurisprudence, the Supreme Court has never ruled that states are required to recognize marriages from other states. They are required to recognize divorces and adoptions from other states, because in each of those instances there is a "judicial Proceeding"; that is, a divorce or an adoption results from a court order based on a judgement being exercised by a duly authorized judicial officer, so the FFCC literally applies. This has been dramatically confirmed recently by state appellate decisions in Florida and Louisiana holding that adoptions by same-sex couples that were judicially approved in other jurisdictions would be recognized pursuant to the FFCC, regardless of the fact that neither Florida (which bans all adoptions by gay people) nor Louisiana allows same-sex couples to adopt children within their states.

And that, by analogy, explains why in the absence of the proposed gun amendment, states are free to ignore or refuse to recognize permits to carry concealed weapons issued by other states. A permit or license does not come within the FFCC. The permit or license is not a "public Act," a "public record" or a "judicial Proceeding" as those terms are used in the FFCC. My license to practice law in New York does not entitle me to practice law in New Jersey by virtue of the FFCC. The same is true of medical licenses, and other licenses to engage in various professions that are regulated by the state, including teachers licenses. I don't think anybody has ever successfully argued that the public schools of other states are required to honor licenses issued by the NY State Education Department to people who want to be public school teachers in New York. They can if they want to, but the FFCC does not require it, and every state is free to set the educational and other qualifications for licensing public school teachers. And the same is true of marriage licenses. Perhaps this gun debate will help people to understand the marriage recognition issue a bit better......"
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D1B wrote:
Col Hogan wrote:
If I get in my car in Virginia to drive to Minnesota, I don't need to go to several web sites to check where my driver's license is accepted...and where it isn't...I don't have to worry about being arrested "just for driving"...

Each state has different laws regarding getting a drivers license...but they accept each other's licenses...

Why is this any different?
Talking bout guns, Col.

Also, some states wanna keep a lid on gun owners, who are responsible for EVERY firearm accident and murder.
And every car owner is responsible for EVERY car accident and fatal incident...

Your point is?????
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TwinTownBisonFan wrote:it amuses me that "states rights" conservatives are unhappy that NY has a different law than IN...

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it amuses me that you don't know the difference between the SACRED doctrine of State Supremacy and DIRECT violations of the Constitution of "the late united states".
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Skjellyfetti wrote:
travelinman67 wrote:
And yet, Obama shit all over every state's existing health laws, having nothing to due with federal constitutional protection...

...an act you supported.
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So, what is it Jellydonut?

If it's State's Rights, explain the justification for the Obama Admin. suing Arizona over SB 1070, S.Carolina over Voter I.D., and on, and on?
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The federal government isn't refered to in the Full Faith and Credit Clause. It refers to the relationship between STATES. Government documents awarded by states should be accepted by the other states, imo. Health care law, the questions over immigration laws, etc. have nothing to do with the Full Faith and Credit Clause.

With regard to the relationship between the federal government and state government... the Constitution in the Supremacy Clause says that federal law is the supreme law of the land.
the clause of which lubeboy speaks of is bullshit which grew out of the greatest calamity to ever happen on this planet.........the "wearing out of the Confederate Armies in whipping the yankees" in 1865. The 10th Amendment speaks VOLUMES as to the PROPER relationship between the CREATOR (The STATES) and their CREATURE (the national government)
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citdog wrote:
Skjellyfetti wrote:
:suspicious:

The federal government isn't refered to in the Full Faith and Credit Clause. It refers to the relationship between STATES. Government documents awarded by states should be accepted by the other states, imo. Health care law, the questions over immigration laws, etc. have nothing to do with the Full Faith and Credit Clause.

With regard to the relationship between the federal government and state government... the Constitution in the Supremacy Clause says that federal law is the supreme law of the land.
the clause of which lubeboy speaks of is bullshit which grew out of the greatest calamity to ever happen on this planet.........the "wearing out of the Confederate Armies in whipping the yankees" in 1865. The 10th Amendment speaks VOLUMES as to the PROPER relationship between the CREATOR (The STATES) and their CREATURE (the national government)
Dawg, you just want to go back to the time when free states were required to recognize the rights of slave-holders, to allow them to bring their slaves into their states and to require them to allocate resources to help slave-holders track-down and return escaped slaves.
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