Portland State playing Carroll College?

[kalm]

How many scholarships do Lafayette and St.F PA have? How many does NDSU have?

Can anyone answer this question or is it just reserved for JBB?

Reserved for him. I don't think he can answer, but I want to give him a shot at it.

[JBB]

When playing down a division the scholarship disparity is greater than that between the FCS and FBS. The games put the lower division players at physical risk. The risk might not be that great when the lower division schools are scheduling the PSUs and UNDs of the world, but I still believe the games should not be included in the won loss record of the FCS team and it should be listed as exhibition.

[kalm]

How many scholarships do Lafayette and St.F PA have? How many does NDSU have?

[kalm]

your hate brought the topic away from its focus.

As for kalm, those schools have scholarship equvilancies that provide them with enough talent to make them stronger opponents than most schools in the BSC and certainly good enough to go into UNIs dome and win.

Of course UND, a school that has just lost its long time nickname and indian imagery because of ongoing hostilities between UND and the tribes, went into UNI and won as a D2 so the panthers may not be a good measure of competitiveness.

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The BISON have an impressive winning steak going against FBS opponents. Idaho isnt exactly a powerhouse and we have never played them. We dont have any moral victories in the Big 12 either. The BISON did beat Kansas though.

Yeah. Just leave this thread so we can go back to talking about PSU and Carroll.

This might be the longest PSU thread ever. I think he wants it to continue because he admires the year they played two FBS teams, beat one, finished 7-4 and got hosed out of the playoffs.

[Darell1976]

When playing down a division the scholarship disparity is greater than that between the FCS and FBS. The games put the lower division players at physical risk. The risk might not be that great when the lower division schools are scheduling the PSUs and UNDs of the world, but I still believe the games should not be included in the won loss record of the FCS team and it should be listed as exhibition.

The lower divisions also scheduled NDSU in 2004, 2005 and 2006. Remember playing Concordia-St. Paul, and Arkansas-Montecello. South Dakota State also played down too during their transition...and LOST to DIII Wisconsin-LaCrosse 17-3.

[JBB]

Oh boy they sent in the B team.

I also remember UND, a school that recently lost the right to use its indian name and imagery because of on going hostilities between UND, the Tribes and the NCAA, saying the scholarship advantage between FCS schools and lower division schools like UND, was an unfair advantage in all sports so they quit playing and can no longer say they will play anybody, anywhere, anytime.


But all of your jabbering misses the point Darell. These games are helpful when scheduled from a position of strength. They are desperate when scheduled from a position of weakness. Furthermore they should not be included in the won loss record of the FCS team. They should be listed as exhibition, just as they are in BB.

[grizzaholic]

[quote="JBB"][/quote]


How many scholarships do Lafayette and St.F PA have? How many does NDSU have?

[kalm]

Oh boy they sent in the B team.

I also remember UND, a school that recently lost the right to use its indian name and imagery because of on going hostilities between UND, the Tribes and the NCAA, saying the scholarship advantage between FCS schools and lower division schools like UND, was an unfair advantage in all sports so they quit playing and can no longer say they will play anybody, anywhere, anytime.


But all of your jabbering misses the point Darell. These games are helpful when scheduled from a position of strength. They are desperate when scheduled from a position of weakness. Furthermore they should not be included in the won loss record of the FCS team. They should be listed as exhibition, just as they are in BB.

What if, let's say for example, a Central Washington University, funds more scholarships than, lets say for example, a Lafayette?

[Darell1976]

Oh boy they sent in the B team.

I also remember UND, a school that recently lost the right to use its indian name and imagery because of on going hostilities between UND, the Tribes and the NCAA, saying the scholarship advantage between FCS schools and lower division schools like UND, was an unfair advantage in all sports so they quit playing and can no longer say they will play anybody, anywhere, anytime.


But all of your jabbering misses the point Darell. These games are helpful when scheduled from a position of strength. They are desperate when scheduled from a position of weakness. Furthermore they should not be included in the won loss record of the FCS team. They should be listed as exhibition, just as they are in BB.

So in 2004 NDSU's record should be 6-3 not 8-3..oh wait Valpo is a non-schollie NDSU goes 5-3 in 2004. 2005 6-4 instead of 7-4...2006 9-1 instead of 10-1. So take away 5 FCS wins from NDSU.

[JBB]

If a team is an FCS counter toward FCS playoff eligibility the scholarship issue is moot.

When a team doesnt count as a legitimate opponent for FCS playoff eligibility the game should not be counted in the FCS teams won loss record and it should be listed as an exhibition game.

If there are any examples of those situations in NDSUs past the record should be changed. It will be a far easier task than changing the record up at UND.

When talking about the scholarship disparities between the divisions its important to keep focused on the issue. Trying to draw parallels betwen FCS counter teams and lower division schools is a flawed argument and exposes some puzzling logical flaws on the part of the people trying to frame the argument.

[Darell1976]

If a team is an FCS counter toward FCS playoff eligibility the scholarship issue is moot.

When a team doesnt count as a legitimate opponent for FCS playoff eligibility the game should not be counted in the FCS teams won loss record and it should be listed as an exhibition game.

If there are any examples of those situations in NDSUs past the record should be changed. It will be a far easier task than changing the record up at UND.

When talking about the scholarship disparities between the divisions its important to keep focused on the issue. Trying to draw parallels betwen FCS counter teams and lower division schools is a flawed argument and exposes some puzzling logical flaws on the part of the people trying to frame the argument.

UND and USD were not eligible for playoffs anyways. Your point doesn't apply. The only games that applied to these two schools from 2008-2011 were those against Southern Utah, UC Davis, Cal Poly and each other. In 2011 UND and Cal Poly won their conference Cal Poly did fail to make the playoffs maybe they needed to take your advice but as for UND....goal complete!!

[Gil Dobie]

Stalker

Now I know who you are, Sioux Lovers Lover

[JBB]

Just more of the hate and certainly a reflection on the class and integrity of the board administration!

[Willie]

Just more of the hate and certainly a reflection on the class and integrity of the board administration!

Then get the fuck out. It's not hate. People donated to the board (something your cheap ass wouldn't know of) to have your bar made, fucko. Don't like it? Then leave.

[kalm]

If a team is an FCS counter toward FCS playoff eligibility the scholarship issue is moot.

When a team doesnt count as a legitimate opponent for FCS playoff eligibility the game should not be counted in the FCS teams won loss record and it should be listed as an exhibition game.

If there are any examples of those situations in NDSUs past the record should be changed. It will be a far easier task than changing the record up at UND.

When talking about the scholarship disparities between the divisions its important to keep focused on the issue. Trying to draw parallels betwen FCS counter teams and lower division schools is a flawed argument and exposes some puzzling logical flaws on the part of the people trying to frame the argument.

Ahh so it's not a scholarship disparity issue as you originally suggested, it's simply you're own illogical opinion and DII stigma. Thank you.

[Silenoz]

Just more of the hate and certainly a reflection on the class and integrity of the board administration!

Then get the fuck out. It's not hate. People donated to the board (something your cheap ass wouldn't know of) to have your bar made, fucko. Don't like it? Then leave.

He could always go back to Bisonville. Oh wait he got ran off there too because even his own kind think he's a fucking idiot

Anyways:

Sounds like they got the travel situation worked out. Expect to hear something official early this week.

[MrTitleist]

Just more of the hate and certainly a reflection on the class and integrity of the board administration!

Then get the fuck out. It's not hate. People donated to the board (something your cheap ass wouldn't know of) to have your bar made, fucko. Don't like it? Then leave.

[Silenoz]

No announcement (yet) as far as I can tell

[JALMOND]

The condensed NBA schedule has prevented me from adequately following through on any off season Vikings news, but so far, I cannot find any confirmation on this game. Recent followings out here suggest that it has been "penciled" but is not definite as both teams are trying to find alternates. There is hope that we can play a "traditional" FCS non conference slate this year with a DI game, an FCS game and a lower division game (we play both Washington and North Dakota this year) and we do not want to have our first home game late in September. Recent rumblings have coach Speckman bringing his new team, Menlo, to the Willamette Valley. Also Western Oregon and even Eastern Oregon have been rumored. Then again, Nevada has been mentioned as a possibility, as well as a last minute replacement for either the Ducks or the Beavers if they need help, but any DI games may happen later in the year (our bye week is mid-October). Nothing is confirmed, but all these, including Carroll, is a possibility.

Carroll is also not really crazy about playing up to DI. It seems rumblings about them playing the Bobcats or the Grizzlies have never come from their coaches, only the fans.

I'm holding on to hope that my alma mater, Rocky Mountain College, may someday make it out here for a game.

[JALMOND]

SACCAT: i will take that bet if you're giving 50-60 points! i doubt many of you fbs guys follow NAIA football or Carroll College. Mike Van Diest and his OC, will have the entire summer to scheme for PSU and when you give those two that much time you better come ready to play. now, i'm not saying Carroll has a chance to beat the Vikings, what i am saying is this will be a closer game than most think. examples have been sited before, including Azusa Pacific (Carroll 5-0 lifetime vs APU) vs U San Diego, University of Sioux Falls vs UND (which by the way was a sioux falls victory in Grand Forks 27-14) and last year's win by Lindenwood (split with carroll in 08 and 09) win at No. Colorado. you all think there is this huge divide between divisions, in reality NAIA elite can compete and play a pretty good brand of football. this game (if played) will come down to the trenches where PSU has a definite size advantage. if Carroll can shuttle in enough players to stay fresh in the second half and not allow the big play, it may be a game.

Welcome, CarrollPa!!! Good to have some Frontier perspective. Back in the late 80's I was with the Rocky Mountain football program when the Petrino clan was ruling Carroll and have been following the Battling Bear program from a distance since then. Some things I've found regarding the NAIA (I'd put it at a level of between DII and DIII, but as with any classification, the elite could play at a higher level than their classification). How could Carroll do against Portland State? First off, Carroll will not see the pistol offense played at the same level in their conference so to try to gameplay for it for any longer than the week before the game seems rather odd to me. Secondly, the size and speed of Portland State will be something Carroll will never see again during their season. Third, last year we opened with Southern Oregon, who the week before, played Montana Tech to what was an incredible offensive show between those two teams. How did the Raiders do against us? It was 28-0 after the first quarter and the scrubs were playing early in the second. Yes, you are much better than SOU and even EOU, but a score closer than, say 40-17 PSU, would be a surprise.

[JALMOND]

Game has just been confirmed. No word from PSU but Carroll College has just announced it...

http://www.kxln.com/news/carroll-releas ... and-state/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[JALMOND]

Better link...

http://www.krtv.com/news/carroll-releas ... land-state" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[EWURanger]

It's times like these when you just have to ask yourself "why".....

PSU isn't doing themselves any favors playing this game. It's hard for me to believe that they couldn't have found a different game.

[grizzaholic]

It's times like these when you just have to ask yourself "why".....

PSU isn't doing themselves any favors playing this game. It's hard for me to believe that they couldn't have found a different game.

No kidding. What happens if the unthinkable happens, and they lose?

[JALMOND]

It's times like these when you just have to ask yourself "why".....

PSU isn't doing themselves any favors playing this game. It's hard for me to believe that they couldn't have found a different game.

No kidding. What happens if the unthinkable happens, and they lose?

Then all of Helena will want a shot at the Griz next year.

There is a buyout clause in the agreement, if needed. Most of our OOC games have them, in case the Ducks or Beavers have problems filling out their schedules. A couple years back, the Ducks had an opponent back out at the last minute, they took care of our buyout with Southern Oregon, and then we took a check to play them.