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There are lots of reasons for scheduling lower divison schools.

Its important to watch the NDSU Scheduling Model unfold if you are intersted in understand scheduling. Some schools, as Darell pointed out, schedule down out of weakness. The NDSU Scheduling Model teaches you how to schedule from a position of strength.

Early on NDSU declared 6 home games and 2 FBS games. Home games would include 2 OOC. The OOC games were always FCS counter teams. NDSU could get these game easily and once playoff eligible needed the counters. This has been the situation for about 8 years or so.

Now we are in the same position we were in D2. Its getting tough and expensive to attract FCS counter games. Because of the success NDSU is having on the field a counter game in no longer as important. If it becomes too difficult or too expensive or both to attract FCS teams NDSU, from a position of strength, will book certain lower division squads.

When the NDSU Scheduling office begins talking to lower division schools they will be picking the future winners in those divisions. An influx of cash from NDSU games to a lower division program that has been an ally of NDSU and has respected, competitive programs, could be very helpful in building a winning program.
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Silenoz wrote:I didn't call out UND, was just pointing out that the gap between elite NAIA and the bottom half of FCS (which UND was that year) isn't that big
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Silenoz wrote:I didn't call out UND, was just pointing out that the gap between elite NAIA and the bottom half of FCS (which UND was that year) isn't that big
I understand...Sioux Falls (formerly NAIA) could be a good lower FCS team, especially before their transfer last season to DII.
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JBB wrote:There are lots of reasons for scheduling lower divison schools.

Its important to watch the NDSU Scheduling Model unfold if you are intersted in understand scheduling. Some schools, as Darell pointed out, schedule down out of weakness. The NDSU Scheduling Model teaches you how to schedule from a position of strength.

Early on NDSU declared 6 home games and 2 FBS games. Home games would include 2 OOC. The OOC games were always FCS counter teams. NDSU could get these game easily and once playoff eligible needed the counters. This has been the situation for about 8 years or so.

Now we are in the same position we were in D2. Its getting tough and expensive to attract FCS counter games. Because of the success NDSU is having on the field a counter game in no longer as important. If it becomes too difficult or too expensive or both to attract FCS teams NDSU, from a position of strength, will book certain lower division squads.

When the NDSU Scheduling office begins talking to lower division schools they will be picking the future winners in those divisions. An influx of cash from NDSU games to a lower division program that has been an ally of NDSU and has respected, competitive programs, could be very helpful in building a winning program.
NDSU has the scheduling worked out to a tee. They have 2 home OOC against some of the weakest teams in the FCS (except for the Montana teams coming soon), and they have scheduled winnable FBS games against the bottom of the BCS conferences plus Wyoming, and the MAC. As for not scheduling low level teams...it may get to the point JBB where $$$ may not be there and would GT actually schedule a Sioux Falls or Minot State..or take a 10 game season.
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The BISON have an impressive winning steak going against FBS opponents. Idaho isnt exactly a powerhouse and we have never played them. We dont have any moral victories in the Big 12 either. The BISON did beat Kansas though.

Scheduling counter games within the FCS framework is a good strategy when the team needs the wins. I think Wagner is a good guess to fill the BISON schedule this year.

When it comes to schedulilng NDSU does it right. University of Sioux falls has not been a regular on the NDSU schedule and SD School of Mines will not be in the insanely popular Fabulous Fargo Dome anytime soon.

Scheduling lower division schools strategically and from a position of strength is one thing, filling a schedule with them because you are weak is another all together. The difference is obvious when comparing the North Dakota schools: the National Champion NDSU BISON and UND, a school that has just lost its long time nickname and indian imagery because of ongoing hostilities between UND and the tribes.
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Darell1976 wrote:
Silenoz wrote:I didn't call out UND, was just pointing out that the gap between elite NAIA and the bottom half of FCS (which UND was that year) isn't that big
I understand...Sioux Falls (formerly NAIA) could be a good lower FCS team, especially before their transfer last season to DII.
You mean like UND is now! :lol:

Get real Darell. :lol:
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JBB wrote:
Darell1976 wrote:
I understand...Sioux Falls (formerly NAIA) could be a good lower FCS team, especially before their transfer last season to DII.
You mean like UND is now! :lol:

Get real Darell. :lol:
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JBB wrote:The BISON have an impressive winning steak going against FBS opponents. Idaho isnt exactly a powerhouse and we have never played them. We dont have any moral victories in the Big 12 either. The BISON did beat Kansas though.

Scheduling counter games within the FCS framework is a good strategy when the team needs the wins. I think Wagner is a good guess to fill the BISON schedule this year.

When it comes to schedulilng NDSU does it right. University of Sioux falls has not been a regular on the NDSU schedule and SD School of Mines will not be in the insanely popular Fabulous Fargo Dome anytime soon.

Scheduling lower division schools strategically and from a position of strength is one thing, filling a schedule with them because you are weak is another all together. The difference is obvious when comparing the North Dakota schools: the National Champion NDSU BISON and UND, a school that has just lost its long time nickname and indian imagery because of ongoing hostilities between UND and the tribes.
You didn't answer the question: Does GT schedule a non DI team or take a 10 game season. Montana, App St, and UNI all have scheduled a non DI team...its only a matter of time before NDSU does the same.
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Hey JBB. Why in the fucking hell are you posting in a thread that has ZERO to do with anything remotely common to NDSU?


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Willie,

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grizzaholic wrote:Willie,

Hit me up. I owe you a hundy... give JBB an " I love Fette" userbar. I bet that will send him into another gay porn binge and then we can have Chris ban him from the board.


I am rooting for him to die in a car accident tomorrow.
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kalm wrote:
grizzaholic wrote:Willie,

Hit me up. I owe you a hundy... give JBB an " I love Fette" userbar. I bet that will send him into another gay porn binge and then we can have Chris ban him from the board.


I am rooting for him to die in a car accident tomorrow.
I will contribute to this.
It has been seconded.
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grizzaholic wrote:Willie,

Hit me up. I owe you a hundy... give JBB an " I love Fette" userbar. I bet that will send him into another gay porn binge and then we can have Chris ban him from the board.


I am rooting for him to die in a car accident tomorrow.
How about "UND Fette-ish" ? :rofl:
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Screamin_Eagle174 wrote:
grizzaholic wrote:Willie,

Hit me up. I owe you a hundy... give JBB an " I love Fette" userbar. I bet that will send him into another gay porn binge and then we can have Chris ban him from the board.


I am rooting for him to die in a car accident tomorrow.
How about "UND Fette-ish" ? :rofl:
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Willie wrote:You're welcome.
Next lunch is on me...and a little cash on the side. Kalm, I got ya on this one.

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Willie wrote:You're welcome.
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Darell1976 wrote: You didn't answer the question: Does GT schedule a non DI team or take a 10 game season. Montana, App St, and UNI all have scheduled a non DI team...its only a matter of time before NDSU does the same.
Do you mean UNI in the past? Because I doubt we will ever again.
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grizzaholic wrote:
Willie wrote:You're welcome.
Next lunch is on me...and a little cash on the side. Kalm, I got ya on this one.

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pantherrob82 wrote:
Darell1976 wrote: You didn't answer the question: Does GT schedule a non DI team or take a 10 game season. Montana, App St, and UNI all have scheduled a non DI team...its only a matter of time before NDSU does the same.
Do you mean UNI in the past? Because I doubt we will ever again.
Yes specifically 2006 vs UND. JBB brags how NDSU will never schedule down as Gene Taylor is the master of scheduling well even the good schools who has been in the FCS longer than NDSU has had to schedule down. Of course UND had to since we had only 4 other teams in our conference so 2 FBS games that leaves 5 OOC games to schedule. Not sure UND could afford to schedule 3 at home unless it was all home and home which is what South Dakota State does. Of course JBB says nothing about his new conference mate South Dakota scheduling down as much as UND.
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Darell1976 wrote:
pantherrob82 wrote: Do you mean UNI in the past? Because I doubt we will ever again.
Yes specifically 2006 vs UND. JBB brags how NDSU will never schedule down as Gene Taylor is the master of scheduling well even the good schools who has been in the FCS longer than NDSU has had to schedule down. Of course UND had to since we had only 4 other teams in our conference so 2 FBS games that leaves 5 OOC games to schedule. Not sure UND could afford to schedule 3 at home unless it was all home and home which is what South Dakota State does. Of course JBB says nothing about his new conference mate South Dakota scheduling down as much as UND.
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Gil Dobie wrote:
Darell1976 wrote:
Yes specifically 2006 vs UND. JBB brags how NDSU will never schedule down as Gene Taylor is the master of scheduling well even the good schools who has been in the FCS longer than NDSU has had to schedule down. Of course UND had to since we had only 4 other teams in our conference so 2 FBS games that leaves 5 OOC games to schedule. Not sure UND could afford to schedule 3 at home unless it was all home and home which is what South Dakota State does. Of course JBB says nothing about his new conference mate South Dakota scheduling down as much as UND.
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Darell1976 wrote:
Gil Dobie wrote:
Can you name 1 Bison fan that will stand behind the words of Sioux Lover.....................
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kalm wrote:
Darell1976 wrote:
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Post a poll, mention Sioux Lover and see how close to half you get. :lol:
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