Mother Teresa now involved in Catholic Pedophile scandal...

D1B · Post by **D1B** » Fri Jan 20, 2012 7:05 am

Well, it was just a matter of time before catholicism's latest manufactured saint was called out. Another clear example of the catholic church's disregard for the welfare of children and sole focus on maintaining the pedophile country club that is the church leadership.

In a 1994 letter to McGuire's Jesuit superior in Chicago, it appears that Mother Teresa acknowledged she had learned of the "sad events which took [McGuire] from his priestly ministry these past seven months," and that McGuire "admitted imprudence in his behavior," but she wished to see him put back on the job. The letter was written after McGuire had been sent to a psychiatric hospital following an abuse complaint to the Jesuits by a family in Walnut Creek.

"I understand how grave is the scandal touching the priesthood in the U.S.A. and how careful we must be to guard the purity and reputation of that priesthood," the letter states. "I must say, however, that I have confidence and trust in Fr. McGuire and wish to see his vital ministry resume as soon as possible."

Here's the letter http://media.sfweekly.com/7555477.0.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Source: http://www.sfweekly.com/2012-01-11/news ... e-jesuits/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

JoltinJoe · Post by **JoltinJoe** » Fri Jan 20, 2012 7:56 am

Nice distortion, there. Mother Teresa had been told that the priest "admitted his imprudence" but had been proven innocent. Funny how the article left that out, making it sound that the priest's admission of his "imprudence" was admission of his guilt.

This letter is more problematic for Fr. Hardon, who told Mother Teresa about the accusations, but told her that Fr. McGuire had been proven innocent.

Post by **Ivytalk** » Fri Jan 20, 2012 7:59 am

Only 664 more "replies" to go...

D1B · Post by **D1B** » Fri Jan 20, 2012 8:07 am

JoltinJoe wrote:Nice distortion, there. Mother Teresa had been told that the priest "admitted his imprudence" but had been proven innocent. Funny how the article left that out, making it sound that the priest's admission of his "imprudence" was admission of his guilt.

This letter is more problematic for Fr. Hardon, who told Mother Teresa about the accusations, but told her that Fr. McGuire had been proven innocent.

Nice excuse, Pedophile Protector.

Yet documents obtained by SF Weekly suggest that Mother Teresa knew one of her favorite priests was removed from ministry for sexually abusing a Bay Area boy in 1993, and that she nevertheless urged his bosses to return him to work as soon as possible. The priest resumed active ministry, as well as his predatory habits. Eight additional complaints were lodged against him in the coming years by various families, leading to his eventual arrest on sex-abuse charges in 2005.

The priest was Donald McGuire, a former Jesuit who has been convicted of molesting boys in federal and state courts and is serving a 25-year federal prison sentence. McGuire, now 81 years old, taught at the University of San Francisco in the late 1970s, and held frequent spiritual retreats for families in San Francisco and Walnut Creek throughout the 1980s and 1990s. He also ministered extensively to the Missionaries of Charity during that time.

The Catholic response (excuse and smokescreen) - Just deny it and hope people eventually forget:

We've been getting quite a range of reaction to yesterday's cover story on Mother Teresa's links to convicted pedophile priest Donald McGuire. Documents obtained by SF Weekly indicate that the "Saint of Calcutta" might have urged Jesuit officials to overlook a sex-abuse allegation against McGuire by a Walnut Creek boy in 1993.

We asked multiple church officials for comment prior to publication. The Missionaries of Charity (MT's order of nuns), the Jesuits, the Vatican-deputized investigator of MT's sainthood case, and the Archdiocese of San Francisco all declined to talk or did not respond to our calls and e-mails. But now the San Francisco Archdiocese has commented on the story for Univision Channel 14, which ran a story based on our reporting.

According to Univision:

La arquidiócesis de San Francisco expresó su tristeza ante las acusaciones del Weekly y destacó en un comunicado que ni siquiera el propio autor del reporte estaba seguro de que las cartas fueron escritas por la Madre Teresa.

"Estoy seguro que en su bondad la Madre Teresa perdona este vergonzoso ataque, pero es un día sombrío para el periodismo", añadió.

Bilingual SF Weekly Staff Writer Lauren Smiley translates:

The Archdiocese of San Francisco expressed its sadness about the Weekly's accusations and highlighted in the press release that even the story's author wasn't sure if the letters were written by Mother Teresa.

"I am sure that Mother Teresa, in all her goodness, would forgive this shameful attack, but it is a dark day for journalism."

We called the archdiocese for further comment, particularly on the strong indications that the letter -- which you can read here -- was written by Mother Teresa, though it is unsigned. We'll let you know if we hear back.

Same old catholic pedophile story...

The scandal continues and widens. We're still only seeing the tip of the iceberg.

D1B · Post by **D1B** » Fri Jan 20, 2012 8:15 am

JoltinJoe wrote:Nice distortion, there. Mother Teresa had been told that the priest "admitted his imprudence" but had been proven innocent. Funny how the article left that out, making it sound that the priest's admission of his "imprudence" was admission of his guilt.

This letter is more problematic for Fr. Hardon, who told Mother Teresa about the accusations, but told her that Fr. McGuire had been proven innocent.

Another catholic up for sainthood - Fr. Hardon (

)

Joe, why don't you work, officially, for the catholic church's public relations department? Sounds like they could have neutralized this story, simply, with your excuse above. Funny that they didn't, and don't. They never defend themselves like you defend them, Joe. You coulda saved them billions in settlements and spared thousands of priest the horror of being unfairly labeled a pedophile. I bet they'll pay you more than what you're making now.

Joe, draft up a response to the SF article and submit it.

I'll be waiting.

*Still didn't get the Rolling Stone LTE yet.

JoltinJoe · Post by **JoltinJoe** » Fri Jan 20, 2012 8:19 am

D1B wrote:
JoltinJoe wrote:Nice distortion, there. Mother Teresa had been told that the priest "admitted his imprudence" but had been proven innocent. Funny how the article left that out, making it sound that the priest's admission of his "imprudence" was admission of his guilt.

This letter is more problematic for Fr. Hardon, who told Mother Teresa about the accusations, but told her that Fr. McGuire had been proven innocent.
Nice excuse, Pedophile Protector.

Yet documents obtained by SF Weekly suggest that Mother Teresa knew one of her favorite priests was removed from ministry for sexually abusing a Bay Area boy in 1993, and that she nevertheless urged his bosses to return him to work as soon as possible. The priest resumed active ministry, as well as his predatory habits. Eight additional complaints were lodged against him in the coming years by various families, leading to his eventual arrest on sex-abuse charges in 2005.

The priest was Donald McGuire, a former Jesuit who has been convicted of molesting boys in federal and state courts and is serving a 25-year federal prison sentence. McGuire, now 81 years old, taught at the University of San Francisco in the late 1970s, and held frequent spiritual retreats for families in San Francisco and Walnut Creek throughout the 1980s and 1990s. He also ministered extensively to the Missionaries of Charity during that time.
The Catholic response (excuse and smokescreen) - Just deny it and hope people eventually forget:

We've been getting quite a range of reaction to yesterday's cover story on Mother Teresa's links to convicted pedophile priest Donald McGuire. Documents obtained by SF Weekly indicate that the "Saint of Calcutta" might have urged Jesuit officials to overlook a sex-abuse allegation against McGuire by a Walnut Creek boy in 1993.

We asked multiple church officials for comment prior to publication. The Missionaries of Charity (MT's order of nuns), the Jesuits, the Vatican-deputized investigator of MT's sainthood case, and the Archdiocese of San Francisco all declined to talk or did not respond to our calls and e-mails. But now the San Francisco Archdiocese has commented on the story for Univision Channel 14, which ran a story based on our reporting.

According to Univision:

La arquidiócesis de San Francisco expresó su tristeza ante las acusaciones del Weekly y destacó en un comunicado que ni siquiera el propio autor del reporte estaba seguro de que las cartas fueron escritas por la Madre Teresa.

"Estoy seguro que en su bondad la Madre Teresa perdona este vergonzoso ataque, pero es un día sombrío para el periodismo", añadió.

Bilingual SF Weekly Staff Writer Lauren Smiley translates:

The Archdiocese of San Francisco expressed its sadness about the Weekly's accusations and highlighted in the press release that even the story's author wasn't sure if the letters were written by Mother Teresa.

"I am sure that Mother Teresa, in all her goodness, would forgive this shameful attack, but it is a dark day for journalism."

We called the archdiocese for further comment, particularly on the strong indications that the letter -- which you can read here -- was written by Mother Teresa, though it is unsigned. We'll let you know if we hear back.
Same old catholic pedophile story...

The scandal continues and widens. We're still only seeing the tip of the iceberg.

What a total distortion of that letter.

The letter speaks for itself. Fr. Hardon traveled to Calcutta and while he was there, he told Mother Teresa that Fr. McGuire had been accused of abuse. Fr. Hardon also told Mother Teresa that he had established Fr. McGuire's innocence. So Mother Teresa wrote a letter to Fr. McGuire's superiors in Chicago to say that she hoped Fr. McGuire would be allowed to continue his work with the Missionaries of Charity now that he had been proven innocent.

It continues to amaze me how anti-Catholic bigots continue to twist facts when it comes to Mother Teresa. Any fair-minded person who reads that letter will conclude that Mother Teresa had been assured that Fr. McGuire was innocent.

I doubt that this story will be picked up by any reputable news source -- and in fact will only be reported by the fringe "news" website which created this distortion -- because any rational person reading that letter would conclude that Mother Teresa wrote the letter because she was assured Fr. McGuire had been cleared of the charges.

So do us all a favor and stop embarrassing yourself. If another genuine news organization picks up this story, let me know. Thanks.

D1B · Post by **D1B** » Fri Jan 20, 2012 8:21 am

JoltinJoe wrote:
D1B wrote:
Nice excuse, Pedophile Protector.

The Catholic response (excuse and smokescreen) - Just deny it and hope people eventually forget:

Same old catholic pedophile story...

The scandal continues and widens. We're still only seeing the tip of the iceberg.
What a total distortion of that letter.

The letter speaks for itself. Fr. Hardon traveled to Calcutta and while he was there, he told Mother Teresa that Fr. McGuire had been accused of abuse. Fr. Hardon also told Mother Teresa that he had established Fr. McGuire's innocence. So Mother Teresa wrote a letter to Fr. McGuire's superiors in Chicago to say that she hoped Fr. McGuire would be allowed to continue his work with the Missionaries of Charity now that he had been proven innocent.

It continues to amaze me how anti-Catholic bigots continue to twist facts when it comes to Mother Teresa. Any fair-minded person who reads that letter will conclude that Mother Teresa had been assured that Fr. McGuire was innocent.

Another catholic up for sainthood - Fr. Hardon

Joe, why don't you work, officially, for the catholic church's public relations department? Sounds like they could have neutralized this story, simply, with your excuse above. Funny that they didn't, and don't. They never defend themselves like you defend them, Joe. You coulda saved them billions in settlements and spared thousands of priest the horror of being unfairly labeled a pedophile. I bet they'll pay you more than what you're making now.

Joe, draft up a response to the SF article and submit it.

I'll be waiting.

*Still didn't get the Rolling Stone LTE yet.

JoltinJoe · Post by **JoltinJoe** » Fri Jan 20, 2012 8:29 am

Nine days after the SF Weakly (

) "broke" this "story," here is a google search result of the news outlets which have carried it:

https://news.google.com/news/more?hl=en ... CDgQqgIwAQ" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

That's right. None.

Because the report is a transparent distortion and lie, other news outlets have, quite obviously, rejected the story.

GannonFan · Post by **GannonFan** » Fri Jan 20, 2012 8:31 am

I don't get it D1B - when you read into the story and read the letters, assuming it is coming from Mother Teresa, it's clear that this priest was declared innocent. Obviously, you can scorn that as apparently that measure was representative of the depravity of many in the hierarchy of the church during that time, but it seems like a leap to then insinuate that Mother Teresa was equally culpable. She was told this guy was innocent. Maybe there's more to it than that, but I don't see anything yet implicating she knew this guy was a pedophile. I think you're prematurely jumping the gun in the hope she did. While the Church's culpability in hiding up these monstrous crimes is without doubt and horrid, that doesn't mean that every person associated with the Church knew of and assisted in those crimes. You seem to be taking the tact that everyone is guilty and starting from there. It works in rants, but it never gets much more traction from there.

JoltinJoe · Post by **JoltinJoe** » Fri Jan 20, 2012 8:56 am

Well now, Gannon, expect to be called a "pedophile protector" by Distortion1B. That's the way it goes. He and his ilk can say anything they want, twist any fact, and distort beyond any reason. And if you call them on it, they say you protect pedophiles.

D1B · Post by **D1B** » Fri Jan 20, 2012 9:01 am

GannonFan wrote:I don't get it D1B - when you read into the story and read the letters, assuming it is coming from Mother Teresa, it's clear that this priest was declared innocent. Obviously, you can scorn that as apparently that measure was representative of the depravity of many in the hierarchy of the church during that time, but it seems like a leap to then insinuate that Mother Teresa was equally culpable. She was told this guy was innocent. Maybe there's more to it than that, but I don't see anything yet implicating she knew this guy was a pedophile. I think you're prematurely jumping the gun in the hope she did. While the Church's culpability in hiding up these monstrous crimes is without doubt and horrid, that doesn't mean that every person associated with the Church knew of and assisted in those crimes. You seem to be taking the tact that everyone is guilty and starting from there. It works in rants, but it never gets much more traction from there.

Just reporting the news, Kimosabi.

This aside, she is a piece of human shit who is rotting in hell for the suffering she inflicted on thousands of victims who unfortunately were in her "palliative" care asylum. She's a sadist who let people suffer thinking it brought them closer to jesus.

She's also a dumbass with an education level of a 2 year old. She served as a walking, talking donation machine for the catholic church who took money from and defended criminals including Baby Doc and Keating.

Was she an oblivious to the facts pawn for Hardon (

), Baby Doc and Keating and others? Perhaps, but that's not a good defense, especially for someone held up by the church as a saint.

D1B · Post by **D1B** » Fri Jan 20, 2012 9:02 am

JoltinJoe wrote:Well now, Gannon, expect to be called a "pedophile protector" by Distortion1B. That's the way it goes. He and his ilk can say anything they want, twist any fact, and distort beyond any reason. And if you call them on it, they say you protect pedophiles.

Wrong again, Joe. You're the pedophile protector.

Another catholic up for sainthood - Fr. Hardon (

)

Joe, why don't you work, officially, for the catholic church's public relations department? Sounds like they could have neutralized this story, simply, with your excuse above. Funny that they didn't, and don't. They never defend themselves like you defend them, Joe. You coulda saved them billions in settlements and spared thousands of priest the horror of being unfairly labeled a pedophile. I bet they'll pay you more than what you're making now.

Joe, draft up a response to the SF article and submit it.

I'll be waiting.

*Still didn't get the Rolling Stone LTE yet.

D1B · Post by **D1B** » Fri Jan 20, 2012 9:07 am

JoltinJoe wrote:Nine days after the SF Weakly ( ) "broke" this "story," here is a google search result of the news outlets which have carried it:

https://news.google.com/news/more?hl=en ... CDgQqgIwAQ" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

That's right. None.

Because the report is a transparent distortion and lie, other news outlets have, quite obviously, rejected the story.

Doesn't surprise me. Courage in journalism was lost long ago and telling the ugly truth about a revered world-wide celebrity saint-to-be is still a no no.

We'll see what happens...

The pedophile scandal started the same way.

Now your church is a joke.

Another catholic up for sainthood - Fr. Hardon (

)

Joe, why don't you work, officially, for the catholic church's public relations department? Sounds like they could have neutralized this story, simply, with your excuse above. Funny that they didn't, and don't. They never defend themselves like you defend them, Joe. You coulda saved them billions in settlements and spared thousands of priest the horror of being unfairly labeled a pedophile. I bet they'll pay you more than what you're making now.

Joe, draft up a response to the SF article and submit it.

I'll be waiting.

*Still didn't get the Rolling Stone LTE yet.

Post by **andy7171** » Fri Jan 20, 2012 9:34 am

Why not just use it as you signature?

Post by **Ibanez** » Fri Jan 20, 2012 9:52 am

Is this thread necessary?

Sent from my iPhone.

JoltinJoe · Post by **JoltinJoe** » Fri Jan 20, 2012 9:57 am

Ibanez wrote:Is this thread necessary?

Sent from my iPhone.

No.

JoltinJoe · Post by **JoltinJoe** » Fri Jan 20, 2012 10:01 am

D1B wrote:
JoltinJoe wrote:Nine days after the SF Weakly ( ) "broke" this "story," here is a google search result of the news outlets which have carried it:

https://news.google.com/news/more?hl=en ... CDgQqgIwAQ" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

That's right. None.

Because the report is a transparent distortion and lie, other news outlets have, quite obviously, rejected the story.

Doesn't surprise me. Courage in journalism was lost long ago and telling the ugly truth about a revered world-wide celebrity saint-to-be is still a no no.

We'll see what happens...

The pedophile scandal started the same way. Now your church is a joke.

Another catholic up for sainthood - Fr. Hardon ( )

Joe, why don't you work, officially, for the catholic church's public relations department? Sounds like they could have neutralized this story, simply, with your excuse above. Funny that they didn't, and don't. They never defend themselves like you defend them, Joe. You coulda saved them billions in settlements and spared thousands of priest the horror of being unfairly labeled a pedophile. I bet they'll pay you more than what you're making now.

Joe, draft up a response to the SF article and submit it.

I'll be waiting.

*Still didn't get the Rolling Stone LTE yet.

I have an idea. Why don't you register on the SFweekly website and then share your thoughts on this article with the other members of the lunatic fringe commenting there? Since the SFWeekly is the only "news" source in the world which has saw fit to print this "story," you'll feel more at home and welcome there.

As you can see, the more rational contributors here have seen through this nonsense, called you on it, and are asking why you continue to burden us with these type of threads.

Post by **Ivytalk** » Fri Jan 20, 2012 10:10 am

649 more...

JoltinJoe · Post by **JoltinJoe** » Fri Jan 20, 2012 10:18 am

Ivytalk wrote:649 more...

You realize that posts like these become self-fulfilling prophecies?

D1B · Post by **D1B** » Fri Jan 20, 2012 10:38 am

JoltinJoe wrote:
D1B wrote:

Doesn't surprise me. Courage in journalism was lost long ago and telling the ugly truth about a revered world-wide celebrity saint-to-be is still a no no.

We'll see what happens...

The pedophile scandal started the same way. Now your church is a joke.

Another catholic up for sainthood - Fr. Hardon ( )

Joe, why don't you work, officially, for the catholic church's public relations department? Sounds like they could have neutralized this story, simply, with your excuse above. Funny that they didn't, and don't. They never defend themselves like you defend them, Joe. You coulda saved them billions in settlements and spared thousands of priest the horror of being unfairly labeled a pedophile. I bet they'll pay you more than what you're making now.

Joe, draft up a response to the SF article and submit it.

I'll be waiting.

*Still didn't get the Rolling Stone LTE yet.
I have an idea. Why don't you register on the SFweekly website and then share your thoughts on this article with the other members of the lunatic fringe commenting there? Since the SFWeekly is the only "news" source in the world which has saw fit to print this "story," you'll feel more at home and welcome there.

As you can see, the more rational contributors here have seen through this nonsense, called you on it, and are asking why you continue to burden us with these type of threads.

Actually, you should register Joe. Defend your church, but you never do.

The entire catholic sex scandal started this way:
Few brave people actually had the audacity to accuse the holy roman church of abusing children. Apologists/whacknuts like you attacked the source, but in the end, were wrong. Now your morally bankrupt church is pathetically known for providing a safe atomsphere for priests to fuck boys and rape/torture kids.

Joe, you and your church have NO credibility. As Gannonfan and others have pointed out, you've handled this issue with criminal disregard for the law, for morality and for children. You still do.

You're gonna have to do better than this to convince anyone that anything has changed.

JoltinJoe · Post by **JoltinJoe** » Fri Jan 20, 2012 10:49 am

D1B wrote: Joe, you and your church have NO credibility. As Gannonfan and others have pointed out, you've handled this issue with criminal disregard for the law, for morality and for children. You still do.

Bro, you are delusional. There isn't anyone here who sympathizes with you on the way you distort these matters. I only point out your distortions. I've said numerous times the truth of what happened is bad enough.

What other posters here have pointed out repeatedly TO YOU is that I don't condone criminal conduct, I'm just careful to distinguish what actually happened from the lies that you tell. That you think you have support here is pathetic.

D1B · Post by **D1B** » Fri Jan 20, 2012 11:32 am

JoltinJoe wrote:
D1B wrote: Joe, you and your church have NO credibility. As Gannonfan and others have pointed out, you've handled this issue with criminal disregard for the law, for morality and for children. You still do.

Bro, you are delusional. There isn't anyone here who sympathizes with you on the way you distort these matters. I only point out your distortions. I've said numerous times the truth of what happened is bad enough.

What other posters here have pointed out repeatedly TO YOU is that I don't condone criminal conduct, I'm just careful to distinguish what actually happened from the lies that you tell. That you think you have support here is pathetic.

Joe, we'll see where this leads. Again, the entire sex scandal started like this and you've been wrong the whole time. Your church loses case after case and the scandal is world-wide and getting worse.

As I mentioned Joe, at the very least, Mother Teresa is dumb sack of shit cunt who was used by criminals within the church to raise money or legitimize someone or something, like Keating for whom she wrote a similar letter of support to the judge in his corruption case. And she's a saint huh?

Joe, I got more support than you think.

*I will quit calling you a pedophile protector. While I believe you tend make excuses for them and conveniently ignore facts/common sense in many cases to advance an argument, I know ultimately you don't condone their behavior.

GannonFan · Post by **GannonFan** » Fri Jan 20, 2012 1:27 pm

D1B wrote: Joe, you and your church have NO credibility. As Gannonfan and others have pointed out, you've handled this issue with criminal disregard for the law, for morality and for children. You still do.

Just to be clear here, unless Joe's a member of the Church hierarchy (and even then, let's be honest, not every one of them either abused children, allowed others to abuse children by not reporting or moving people around, or even knew of anyone doing either one of those things), I don't think he's necessarily done anything with criminal disregard. Well, he does root for the Yankees, so that comes close.

Post by **Ibanez** » Fri Jan 20, 2012 1:46 pm

D1b, setting the record straight since...never.

photo taken from D1b photo album. He traded me the album for a half eaten applie pie from McDonalds.

D1B · Post by **D1B** » Fri Jan 20, 2012 2:09 pm

GannonFan wrote:
D1B wrote: Joe, you and your church have NO credibility. As Gannonfan and others have pointed out, you've handled this issue with criminal disregard for the law, for morality and for children. You still do.

Just to be clear here, unless Joe's a member of the Church hierarchy (and even then, let's be honest, not every one of them either abused children, allowed others to abuse children by not reporting or moving people around, or even knew of anyone doing either one of those things), I don't think he's necessarily done anything with criminal disregard. Well, he does root for the Yankees, so that comes close.

We've addressed this. Thanks though.

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