Ron Paul and Progressives

[OL FU]

Not sure I agree but then there are different ways of looking at what is progressive. Today's progressives are not the Teddy Roosevelt progressives no matter what Obama says. Todays progressives have to find a way to fund their initiaties. One of the best ways is corporatism. TEddy would roll over in his grave.

I think you're confusing progressives with Democrats a little, but I get your point. Once in power, both Roosevelts took on the monied interests in more than just occasional rhetoric around election time.

Sounds like the "progressive" base of the democratic party is having the same issues as the "conservative" base in the republican party, just in opposite directions. I do find it interesting that many conservatives and progressives agree on many things (maybe different ways to get there) starting with stop handing tax payer money to businesses.

[kalm]

I think you're confusing progressives with Democrats a little, but I get your point. Once in power, both Roosevelts took on the monied interests in more than just occasional rhetoric around election time.

Sounds like the "progressive" base of the democratic party is having the same issues as the "conservative" base in the republican party, just in opposite directions. I do find it interesting that many conservatives and progressives agree on many things (maybe different ways to get there) starting with stop handing tax payer money to businesses.

Couldn't agree more and that's why you 1). See a Ron Paul and Bernie Sanders joining forces and 2). Labels like conservative and liberal rendered almost meaningless.

I'm very liberal on some issues and conservative on others, find myself often agreeing with traditional conservatives like Pat Buchanon, would strongly consider voting for Ron Paul, and cannot identify with either party. The more I think about it, the more Jon Stewarts concept of the " radical middle " makes sense.

[OL FU]

Sounds like the "progressive" base of the democratic party is having the same issues as the "conservative" base in the republican party, just in opposite directions. I do find it interesting that many conservatives and progressives agree on many things (maybe different ways to get there) starting with stop handing tax payer money to businesses.

Couldn't agree more and that's why you 1). See a Ron Paul and Bernie Sanders joining forces and 2). Labels like conservative and liberal rendered almost meaningless.

I'm very liberal on some issues and conservative on others, find myself often agreeing with traditional conservatives like Pat Buchanon, would strongly consider voting for Ron Paul, and cannot identify with either party. The more I think about it, the more Jon Stewarts concept of the " radical middle " makes sense.

Which ones are you conservative on

I fit the profile of the (as 89 would say) little l libertarian.

Very liberal on social issues, but not to the extent that my political views trump my ideas that the words and original intent of the constitution matters. Conservative on fiscal issues and while I would like to see it tamed, don't think a modern country can survive with out the safety nets.

So I am going to do like Colorado has discussed on the electoral college. I am going to split my vote between candidates.

[BDKJMU]

He's also a bigot and a homophobe, and the kind of guy who will ensure the GOP base stays home on election day.

Why, because he doesn't support gay marriage

[BDKJMU]

This should have been titled "Ron Paul and the Liberals"

As soon as I saw the author used "Progressives" in the title, I knew it was written by either a lib or moderate who doesn't know any better. They're the only ones who use this liberal invented term, referring to liberals as "Progressive" roll:

[AZGrizFan]

I'm very liberal on some issues and conservative on others, find myself often agreeing with traditional conservatives like Pat Buchanon, would strongly consider voting for Ron Paul, and cannot identify with either party. The more I think about it, the more Jon Stewarts concept of the " radical middle " makes sense.

As am I, kalm. I often said during the runup to the 2008 election if McCain had been allowed to choose Lieberman as his running mate, he'd have captured the 60-70% of the "radical middle" that weren't extremists in either direction.

[kalm]

This should have been titled "Ron Paul and the Liberals"

As soon as I saw the author used "Progressives" in the title, I knew it was written by either a lib or moderate who doesn't know any better. They're the only ones who use this liberal invented term, referring to liberals as "Progressive" roll:

Actually the progressive movement really got going under a Republican president about the turn of the previous century. He talked about things like a "square deal", an honest wage for an honest day's work, the need to limit consolidated power, the importance of conservation. You know, the type of populist crap that benefits everyone including future generations and which neither side for the most part is paying much attention to now - including Obama. Thought I might bring you up to speed.

[UNI88]

This should have been titled "Ron Paul and the Liberals"

As soon as I saw the author used "Progressives" in the title, I knew it was written by either a lib or moderate who doesn't know any better. They're the only ones who use this liberal invented term, referring to liberals as "Progressive" roll:

Actually the progressive movement really got going under a Republican president about the turn of the previous century. He talked about things like a "square deal", an honest wage for an honest day's work, the need to limit consolidated power, the importance of conservation. You know, the type of populist crap that benefits everyone including future generations and which neither side for the most part is paying much attention to now - including Obama. Thought I might bring you up to speed.

True. That's why I consider myself a (fiscal) conservative, a (social) liberal and a progressive.

[kalm]

Actually the progressive movement really got going under a Republican president about the turn of the previous century. He talked about things like a "square deal", an honest wage for an honest day's work, the need to limit consolidated power, the importance of conservation. You know, the type of populist crap that benefits everyone including future generations and which neither side for the most part is paying much attention to now - including Obama. Thought I might bring you up to speed.

True. That's why I consider myself a (fiscal) conservative, a (social) liberal and a progressive.

[Bronco]

[BDKJMU]

This should have been titled "Ron Paul and the Liberals"

As soon as I saw the author used "Progressives" in the title, I knew it was written by either a lib or moderate who doesn't know any better. They're the only ones who use this liberal invented term, referring to liberals as "Progressive" roll:

Actually the progressive movement really got going under a Republican president about the turn of the previous century. He talked about things like a "square deal", an honest wage for an honest day's work, the need to limit consolidated power, the importance of conservation. You know, the type of populist crap that benefits everyone including future generations and which neither side for the most part is paying much attention to now - including Obama. Thought I might bring you up to speed.

left wing- right wing
liberal- conservative
Progressive-?????

Progressive is a term that was invented by the libs who didn't like referring to them selves or other liberals as liberal. They've used it so much that a lot of moderates, independents will use it.

[kalm]

Actually the progressive movement really got going under a Republican president about the turn of the previous century. He talked about things like a "square deal", an honest wage for an honest day's work, the need to limit consolidated power, the importance of conservation. You know, the type of populist crap that benefits everyone including future generations and which neither side for the most part is paying much attention to now - including Obama. Thought I might bring you up to speed.

left wing- right wing
liberal- conservative
Progressive-?????

Progressive is a term that was invented by the libs who didn't like referring to them selves or other liberals as liberal. They've used it so much that a lot of moderates, independents will use it.

Progressive was invented 100 years ago by a Republican who expressed many of the same views as modern day progressives including liberals and conservatives.

[BDKJMU]

left wing- right wing
liberal- conservative
Progressive-?????

Progressive is a term that was invented by the libs who didn't like referring to them selves or other liberals as liberal. They've used it so much that a lot of moderates, independents will use it.

Progressive was invented 100 years ago by a Republican who expressed many of the same views as modern day progressives including liberals and conservatives.

Then its a term that has been hijacked by liberals who don't like being called or referring to themselves as liberal as a substitute.

Edit: *GD it, f'ed up the quote function.

[kalm]

Then its a term that has been hijacked by liberals who don't like being called or referring to themselves as liberal as a substitute.

Progressive was invented 100 years ago by a Republican who expressed many of the same views as modern day progressives including liberals and conservatives.

Yes it's true that many on the left have run from the liberal label, but I'm not sure the progressive ideals of guarding against consolidated power are antithetical to liberalism. Do you think liberal is a pejorative term?

[OL FU]

Yes it's true that many on the left have run from the liberal label, but I'm not sure the progressive ideals of guarding against consolidated power are antithetical to liberalism. Do you think liberal is a pejorative term?

I think it is good that that the term liberal is fading. It was an inappropriate use of the word. Historically, liberal meant democratic, representative, rights of individuals above monarchies and dictatorships. From that aspect both parties are liberal. I don't think there was a good reason to change the definition.

[SDHornet]

I like a lot of his basic principles.....not sure that we need to withdraw from NATO or get rid of quite as many government agencies as he espouses, but I think he is much more on track than anyone else at this point. Time to stop being the world's police force, giving out shitloads of unaccountable foreign aide, etc. and start worrying about our own shit.

This.

BTW anyone watch the debate last night? It was pretty much crap but I think it's safe to say Romney has it locked up. And all the candidates save Paul's crazy ass "fuck the world" policy (which actually I am ok with) and Newts "we need to assess the situation and determine what is best to do" idea, every repub candidate is going to tow the "blood for oil" line that has so dearly cost this nation over the last decade. I especially loved Perry's off the cuff "I'd send troops back into Iraq immediately" line.

All the questions were pointed in such a way to try and get the candidates to take rips at each other like it was an MTV show or something. Pretty sad when you think about it. And props to Paul for calling out Santorum as being an establishment guy.

[BDKJMU]

I like a lot of his basic principles.....not sure that we need to withdraw from NATO or get rid of quite as many government agencies as he espouses, but I think he is much more on track than anyone else at this point. Time to stop being the world's police force, giving out shitloads of unaccountable foreign aide, etc. and start worrying about our own ****.

This.

BTW anyone watch the debate last night? It was pretty much crap but I think it's safe to say Romney has it locked up. And all the candidates save Paul's crazy ass "**** the world" policy (which actually I am ok with) and Newts "we need to assess the situation and determine what is best to do" idea, every repub candidate is going to tow the "blood for oil" line that has so dearly cost this nation over the last decade. I especially loved Perry's off the cuff "I'd send troops back into Iraq immediately" line.

All the questions were pointed in such a way to try and get the candidates to take rips at each other like it was an MTV show or something. Pretty sad when you think about it. And props to Paul for calling out Santorum as being an establishment guy.

No, because the dumba**es put in on during football. The cauces/primaries should start in Feb AFTER football like they used to back in the 90s and prior.

I'll start paying attention after the Super Bowl.

[BDKJMU]

Ron Paul mobbed by the media vultures:
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None of the fooking media vultures were taught manners in journalism school...