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You can thank the Community Reinvestment Act also. :coffee:
Conk Urban legend. It was the securitization of housing loans that drove the bad loans and the bubble. In other words to paraphrase 89hens boy Matt Taiibi, it was '(free) market driven.' :nod:
Here are some numbers for you. There were approximately $1.4 trillion worth of subprime loans outstanding in the United States by the end of 2007. By May 2009, there were foreclosure filings against approximately 5.1 million properties. If it was only the subprime market's fault, 1.4 trillion would have covered the entire problem, right?

Yet the Federal Reserve, the Treasury, and the FDIC forked out more than $13 trillion to fix the "housing correction," as Hank Paulson steadfastly referred to the Second Great Bank Depression as late as November 20, 2008, while he was treasury secretary. With that money, the government could have bought up every residential mortgage in the country — there were about $11.9 trillion worth at the end of December 2008 — and still have had a trillion left over to buy homes for every single American who couldn't afford them, and pay their health care to boot.
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I’m always amazed at these people who think the Community Reinvestment Act of 1977 caused the Housing and Credit Crisis of… 2007. You’d have to be as dumb as a bag of hammers to think that a law gets passed in 1977, magically does not affect the housing market adversely for 30 years, and then suddenly explodes in toxic leverage and brings down the entire international financial system a generation later.

For the last time: the Community Reinvestment Act DID NOT FORCE BANKS TO LEND TO UNWORTHY BORROWERS. It did not force banks to open branches in bad neighborhoods or rescue “burned out” communities. It did not actually force banks to do anything at all, as a matter of fact. All the act did was specify that if you wanted to get FDIC insurance, you had to actually lend to the people whose deposits you held. And this was not mandated by quotas or numerical targets. There was no specific mechanism for this at all. The act just forced banks to be subject to periodic reviews by the banks’ primary regulator, whoever that happened to be — the Fed, the OCC, the FDIC, and the state banking institutions. These regulators were supposed to look at the banks’ lending history and make sure that they weren’t refusing to lend to their own depositors, a practice that was common in ghetto bank branches through the seventies.

Since we have all seen how completely and totally ineffectual the banking regulators have been in the last fifteen years in enforcing even the most basic criminal statutes, it again strains the imagination to conceive of the mind that would believe that somehow all these different ineffectual regulators ignored all other laws for decades but chose to hammer the banks with the CRA, forcing them all to give out loans to poor black people.

It’s not true and it’s absurd. The CRA, again, did not force anyone to make any kind of loan. I’m going to quote from the Federal Reserve’s own description of the law:

“Nor does the law require institutions to make high-risk loans that jeopardize their safety. To the contrary, the law makes it clear that an institution’s CRA activities should be undertaken in a safe and sound manner.”

This crisis had nothing to do with the CRA and everything to do with the collapse of mortgage underwriting standards, coupled with advances in the technology of securitization, which allowed banks to lend to unworthy borrowers and then sell off these dicey mortgages to secondary buyers. The driving forces in this crisis were bonuses for mortgage brokers and appraisers, underwriting fees for the securitizing firms, and commissions for the institutional fixed-income fund managers who bought this stuff from the investment banks. It was a purely market-driven process and had absolutely nothing to do with government-mandated social engineering.

It blows my mind, the lengths people will go to to blame disasters on liberals and minorities. The really ironic thing is that if you want to blame the Democrats for this stuff, there are plenty of real misdeeds to bash them for. The fact that the Limbaugh/Hannity crowd decided to focus on a basically irrelevant law like the CRA shows that they know their audiences will buy pretty much anything, so long as the punchline is black slobs on welfare breaking the back of hardworking America...

I’ve got to add something else, because this is just so ridiculous, this pegging the financial crisis on the CRA.

First of all, the agencies that conduct CRA examinations have absolutely no enforcement powers. None — zero. Even if you flunk your CRA examination, you cannot be ordered to do anything.

In fact, the government chose to address this issue in 1989 by making the results of CRA exams public. The idea here is that you’d see a little bit of a deterrent here — in the absence of real enforcement powers, banks might at least be embarrassed into lending to their depositors if the fact that they didn’t lend to minorities was explicitly made public.

On the other hand, the government didn’t want CRA exams to be such a huge burden. So in 1999, as part of Gramm-Leach-Bliley, they mandated that CRA exams would only take place once every four or five years for all banks that were deemed “Satisfactory” or better in their exams.

In the period 2002-2008, state member banks evaluated by the Fed scored the following: 15.8% were “outstanding,” 83.7% were “satisfactory,” and only .5% had a “needs to improve” or worse rating.

So, the housing bubble was caused by half of one percent of all banks being so embarrassed by public disclosure of their CRA rating that they went bonkers and started forking over million-dollar mortgages to every crackhead in sight.
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Annnnnnd done. Next. :coffee:

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Thank you Kalm. The PUb deflection on the real cause of the housing crisis is scary. We need more regulation - not less. It was the lack of regulation thta got us in this mess to begin with
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TwinTownBisonFan wrote:Lots of comparisons to draw - and the biggest mistake anyone can make is reading too much from Iowa... where Huckabee won in 08 for the GOP mind you.

The comparison that STILL seems the most apt is 2004. When Democrats were filled with bile and fury over Bush and most Americans didn't get why they were so angry. Same is true here... Romney is John Kerry in every way - milquetoast and bland, with his finger in the wind... about as genuine as an Amway salesman. Santorum/Gingrich/Perry/flavor of the week is Howard Dean - tapping in to the anger of the base...
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Great comparison and a little scary for the Republicans. It could turn out bad regardless of who wins the nomination. Milquetoast who fails to ignite the party-base or the independents he needs to win or a firebrand who turns off the independents.
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kalm wrote:
It blows my mind, the lengths people will go to to blame disasters on liberals and minorities. The really ironic thing is that if you want to blame the Democrats for this stuff, there are plenty of real misdeeds to bash them for. The fact that the Limbaugh/Hannity crowd decided to focus on a basically irrelevant law like the CRA shows that they know their audiences will buy pretty much anything, so long as the punchline is black slobs on welfare breaking the back of hardworking America...
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Did Douche1Bag write this?
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dbackjon wrote:Thank you Kalm. The PUb deflection on the real cause of the housing crisis is scary. We need more regulation - not less. It was the lack of regulation thta got us in this mess to begin with
And the push by members of both parties (Frank, Raines, Dubya) to make home ownership a possibility for everyone whether they could afford it or not wasn't a factor in getting us into this mess?

A huge problem in this country and especially in government is the feeling that we can have everything we want and there will be no adverse effects. Neo-cons think deficits don't matter and that cutting taxes will magically solve all problems, liberals think that there is an unlimited supply of money to pay for social programs and we just need to tax the rich to tap the supply. Everybody is going to need to sacrifice if we're going to get out of this mess we've (and both parties share responsibility) gotten ourselves into.
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Did Douche1Bag write this?
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dbackjon wrote:Thank you Kalm. The PUb deflection on the real cause of the housing crisis is scary. We need more regulation - not less. It was the lack of regulation thta got us in this mess to begin with
Banks threw lending qualifications out the window and securitized mortgages, individuals borrowed more than they could afford. Real estate prices were bid higher than the market could sustain and it crashed. Was CRA a component of that? Likely so, but not the sole cause - that was banks finding a way to reduce their internal risk combined with consumer idiocy.

Is that deflection?
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dbackjon wrote:Thank you Kalm. The PUb deflection on the real cause of the housing crisis is scary. We need more regulation - not less. It was the lack of regulation thta got us in this mess to begin with
And the push by members of both parties (Frank, Raines, Dubya) to make home ownership a possibility for everyone whether they could afford it or not wasn't a factor in getting us into this mess?

A huge problem in this country and especially in government is the feeling that we can have everything we want and there will be no adverse effects. Neo-cons think deficits don't matter and that cutting taxes will magically solve all problems, liberals think that there is an unlimited supply of money to pay for social programs and we just need to tax the rich to tap the supply. Everybody is going to need to sacrifice if we're going to get out of this mess we've (and both parties share responsibility) gotten ourselves into.
Wrong. Nobody is responsible for their actions in this country any more. It's always somebody elses' fault.
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AZGrizFan wrote:
UNI88 wrote:
And the push by members of both parties (Frank, Raines, Dubya) to make home ownership a possibility for everyone whether they could afford it or not wasn't a factor in getting us into this mess?

A huge problem in this country and especially in government is the feeling that we can have everything we want and there will be no adverse effects. Neo-cons think deficits don't matter and that cutting taxes will magically solve all problems, liberals think that there is an unlimited supply of money to pay for social programs and we just need to tax the rich to tap the supply. Everybody is going to need to sacrifice if we're going to get out of this mess we've (and both parties share responsibility) gotten ourselves into.
Wrong. Nobody is responsible for their actions in this country any more. It's always somebody elses' fault.

Not true - just yours :kisswink:
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AZGrizFan wrote:
UNI88 wrote:
And the push by members of both parties (Frank, Raines, Dubya) to make home ownership a possibility for everyone whether they could afford it or not wasn't a factor in getting us into this mess?

A huge problem in this country and especially in government is the feeling that we can have everything we want and there will be no adverse effects. Neo-cons think deficits don't matter and that cutting taxes will magically solve all problems, liberals think that there is an unlimited supply of money to pay for social programs and we just need to tax the rich to tap the supply. Everybody is going to need to sacrifice if we're going to get out of this mess we've (and both parties share responsibility) gotten ourselves into.
Wrong. Nobody is responsible for their actions in this country any more. It's always somebody elses' fault.
Unfortunately when you foster an everyone's a winner culture where people thing they can have everything they want, eventually everyone ends up losing in the long run.
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UNI88 wrote:
AZGrizFan wrote:
Wrong. Nobody is responsible for their actions in this country any more. It's always somebody elses' fault.
Unfortunately when you foster an everyone's a winner culture where people thing they can have everything they want, eventually everyone ends up losing in the long run.
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