Cal State Fullerton and Long Beach State want fooball

[SUUTbird]

Apparently alot of students and alumni want to bring Titan and 49er football back to Cal State Fullerton and Long Beach State, the following is a video clip with a website that is getting more and more support everyday to bring back Cal State Fullerton.



Apparently it wouldnt be a bad decision especially since Cal State Fullerton and Long beach state would definetly be offered and probably would take a position in the Great West for football making it a little easier for every school besides the Dakotas for scheduling. Go to;
(http://www.bringbacktitanfootball.com for cal state fullerton) and
(http://site.bringback49erfootball.com/Home.html for Long Beach State) and show your support!

[clenz]

Title IX fem-nazi's will throw a shit fit of the likes that has never been saw before. I hope it happens, but with Title IX being flawed like it is and the economy this will be really hard to pull off

[dbackjon]

That would be good and bad for NAU.

Good that we would have two more regional foes.

Bad that it would provide a lot of competition in our main recruiting area.

[Herky]

I think it's a great idea, I hope it happens. Of course, it would not benefit any school on the west coast with regards to recruiting.

[BlackFalkin]

i dont know about that. cal st fullerton & long beach can bet on poor attendance. for some reason, the market is strange out here, USC is THE FVCKING TEAM here, everyone else [attendance wise] sucks a dick. even ucla doesnt sell out.[to their credit, the rose bowl is a HUGE 90,000 seat stadium.

The only thing that will play to cs fullertons's credit is, there stadium is cool 10,000, and orange county doesnt have ANY college football team. cs long beach will NEVER EVER get that team. they dont have a stadium either. its also HEAVILY urban so building/expanding will be hard to do.

having said that, it would be soooo fvckin nice to bring div 1aa to southern cal, northridge, long beach, uc riverside, & fullerton all drop football & didnt think twice.

uc riverside 8,000-10,000 seat stadium--could easily expand. they have the space & money.
northridge 8,000 stadium, had drawn up expansion plans, but the surrounding area turned it down.
long beach idk if they even have a stadium... heavily urbanized.
fullerton 10,000 stadium, room for expansion only on sidelines.maybe could sqeeze some endzone seating.


the biggest problem will be attendance. southern cal is pretty hard on losing teams.
look at the season attendance ratios.

lakers/clippers-SAME ARENA!!
USC/UCLA

so if those fb teams get out of the blocks with a shitty start[which is hard not to do] u can kiss those mf'ers good bye.

[Fresno St. Alum]

The SoCal people don't care about FCS football. Cal's best shot is to get Pacific and their 30,000 stadium to bring it back. Don't hold your breath.

The next round of D-II schools exploring D-I in 2011, don't help GWC football either
N.Alabama-OVC
W.Georgia-Big South
LeMoyne-AEC, MAAC (No FB)
W.Florida-ASC (No FB) If they add football they'll stay D-II for a while
Oklahoma City-GWC (No FB) helps the other GWC sports, NAIA school

Side Note: Doesn't Texas St. have to leave the SLC because they'll have FBS football? UTSA soon after?

[dbackjon]

Texas State would have to leave if they went FBS, but until the moratorium is over, nothing is official.

[SUUTbird]

The SoCal people don't care about FCS football. Cal's best shot is to get Pacific and their 30,000 stadium to bring it back. Don't hold your breath.

The next round of D-II schools exploring D-I in 2011, don't help GWC football either
N.Alabama-OVC
W.Georgia-Big South
LeMoyne-AEC, MAAC (No FB)
W.Florida-ASC (No FB) If they add football they'll stay D-II for a while
Oklahoma City-GWC (No FB) helps the other GWC sports, NAIA school

Side Note: Doesn't Texas St. have to leave the SLC because they'll have FBS football? UTSA soon after?

With those schools definetly no help whatsoever. However i have recently talked with the head of the GWC and we discussed the future of GWC football so about thirty minutes (i think i posted this earlier in the year.) And according to him there are a few Div2 teams that want to move up to division one who have football, so hopefully it will happen soon and we can get an auto bid! Im thinking maybe central washington is a lead canidate.

[Fresno St. Alum]

SUU see if you can get him to say any names or even state. I could probably find out who it is if you get the state.
Other names I have with no facts just board rumors are...
N.Kentucky (No FB)
Bellarmine(KY) (No FB)
UM-St.Louis (No FB)
Tarleton St.(TX)
C.Oklahoma
Arkansas Tech

The football schools would want to be in the SLC

[kemajic]

The SoCal people don't care about FCS football. Cal's best shot is to get Pacific and their 30,000 stadium to bring it back. Don't hold your breath.

The next round of D-II schools exploring D-I in 2011, don't help GWC football either
N.Alabama-OVC
W.Georgia-Big South
LeMoyne-AEC, MAAC (No FB)
W.Florida-ASC (No FB) If they add football they'll stay D-II for a while
Oklahoma City-GWC (No FB) helps the other GWC sports, NAIA school

Side Note: Doesn't Texas St. have to leave the SLC because they'll have FBS football? UTSA soon after?

With those schools definetly no help whatsoever. However i have recently talked with the head of the GWC and we discussed the future of GWC football so about thirty minutes (i think i posted this earlier in the year.) And according to him there are a few Div2 teams that want to move up to division one who have football, so hopefully it will happen soon and we can get an auto bid! Im thinking maybe central washington is a lead canidate.

We'll take CWU; you can have UNC back. Or SacSt if you prefer....

[W. DeMontague]

The SoCal people don't care about FCS football. Cal's best shot is to get Pacific and their 30,000 stadium to bring it back. Don't hold your breath.

The next round of D-II schools exploring D-I in 2011, don't help GWC football either
N.Alabama-OVC
W.Georgia-Big South
LeMoyne-AEC, MAAC (No FB)
W.Florida-ASC (No FB) If they add football they'll stay D-II for a while
Oklahoma City-GWC (No FB) helps the other GWC sports, NAIA school

Side Note: Doesn't Texas St. have to leave the SLC because they'll have FBS football? UTSA soon after?

North Alabama and West Georgia want out of the Gulf South and into Div I?

First time I've heard this rumor. Haven't even seen it on the D2 board. I guess I'm blind..

Wouldn't mid seeing Central Washington move up but I think they'll tough it out in D2 and the GNAC. Grand Canyon is starting their football program in 2010 and looks like the BC schools are heading in the direction of D2 as well. That will give them a 7 member FB conference.

West Florida does want to start a FB program but it's totally in the exploratory stages. The move up to D1 is almost for certain.

[NorthernCOU]

I don't see why not, both Fullerton and Long Beach have community colleges/JUCOs that both play football, how do they manage to survive around there?

[BlackFalkin]

both Fullerton and Long Beach have community colleges/JUCOs that both play football, how do they manage to survive around there?

1. most jc stadiums & locker rooms are old & paid for.[div 1's usually arent]
2. uniforms are inexpensive
3. they bus everywhere, & dont go further than about 50 miles max![div1 school fly to most games]
4. most jc have about 20,000 students = 2-3 thousands ppl in the stands.
5. the school doesnt give skollies or house the players[div1 does]
6. the dont pay for their food either.[div1 does]
7. most JCs dont GIVE the players special cleats & gloves and shit like that either.[div1 does]

so the average jc has minimal monies paid for a football team.

[SuperHornet]

The SoCal people don't care about FCS football. Cal's best shot is to get Pacific and their 30,000 stadium to bring it back. Don't hold your breath.

The next round of D-II schools exploring D-I in 2011, don't help GWC football either
N.Alabama-OVC
W.Georgia-Big South
LeMoyne-AEC, MAAC (No FB)
W.Florida-ASC (No FB) If they add football they'll stay D-II for a while
Oklahoma City-GWC (No FB) helps the other GWC sports, NAIA school

Side Note: Doesn't Texas St. have to leave the SLC because they'll have FBS football? UTSA soon after?

Outgoing prez Don DeRosa can be ignored. For athletics, the school is known as UOP to those that know and care. DeRosa is an ignoramus and deserved to be fired vice being allowed to "retire" for his role in "suspending" the football program. As much as I hate to admit it, a return of UOP football would likely require either Great West membership or independent status, both of which are not savory ideas. The only way that would change would be a restructuring of Big Sky rules because there's no way that UOP's going to downgrade their RPI in MBB/WBB/WVB. That move would also require a transfer of baseball to the WAC and softball to the PCSC, which wouldn't be a good idea, either.

[NorthernCOU]

both Fullerton and Long Beach have community colleges/JUCOs that both play football, how do they manage to survive around there?

1. most jc stadiums & locker rooms are old & paid for.[div 1's usually arent]
2. uniforms are inexpensive
3. they bus everywhere, & dont go further than about 50 miles max![div1 school fly to most games]
4. most jc have about 20,000 students = 2-3 thousands ppl in the stands.
5. the school doesnt give skollies or house the players[div1 does]
6. the dont pay for their food either.[div1 does]
7. most JCs dont GIVE the players special cleats & gloves and shit like that either.[div1 does]

so the average jc has minimal monies paid for a football team.

Makes sense.

[Fresno St. Alum]

The SoCal people don't care about FCS football. Cal's best shot is to get Pacific and their 30,000 stadium to bring it back. Don't hold your breath.

The next round of D-II schools exploring D-I in 2011, don't help GWC football either
N.Alabama-OVC
W.Georgia-Big South
LeMoyne-AEC, MAAC (No FB)
W.Florida-ASC (No FB) If they add football they'll stay D-II for a while
Oklahoma City-GWC (No FB) helps the other GWC sports, NAIA school

Side Note: Doesn't Texas St. have to leave the SLC because they'll have FBS football? UTSA soon after?

North Alabama and West Georgia want out of the Gulf South and into Div I?

First time I've heard this rumor. Haven't even seen it on the D2 board. I guess I'm blind..

Wouldn't mid seeing Central Washington move up but I think they'll tough it out in D2 and the GNAC. Grand Canyon is starting their football program in 2010 and looks like the BC schools are heading in the direction of D2 as well. That will give them a 7 member FB conference.

West Florida does want to start a FB program but it's totally in the exploratory stages. The move up to D1 is almost for certain.

UNA did a study it was on the GSC section of the D-II board about 10 pages long until Brandon deleted it just like he did the W.Georgia one last year. UNA will decide yes or no in 2011, UWG will move up when they finish their stadium, have enough students, moratorium ends. He doesn't like D-I move up talk on his board. How could you not see that thread but see the one on UWF which didn't get near as much traffic

[TwinTownBisonFan]

i was talking to a couple profs at Fullerton when I was out there lecturing in Nov. and we talked about Titan football from a university perspective. Their feeling was that while Orange County could sustain a football team, they would need a "partner" adding football who could serve as a rival, and mentioned Riverside as that possibility.

Both cited the economy as a big hindrance at this point - the also noted that Fullerton despite being a large school, doesn't have as good a campus culture as one might hope. (this could be a solid argument FOR football too...) The other problem is finding scholarship parity for female athletes - while field hockey would be a big step (and is likely) there are still problems finding equity. Unlike many schools that cut baseball to save football - Fullerton, and it's nationally renowned baseball program wouldn't even consider it.

[dgreco]

Are they looking for a connecting county rivalry? At least was that what was talked about? I feel like they would like less competition. Really you have Major USC/UCLA and then minor USD. They would be a nice middle to pick up a lot of kids. Plus it would be easier to bring in kids compared to the other three(unless they have raised admission standards).

[TwinTownBisonFan]

i would agree with that - but their thinking was that they needed a regional rival to draw a crowd and build some hype.

i think some early season squash matches with ucla and the like can help with that - as can a rivalry with Poly (which i am convinced would develop)... but yeah that was their thinking

[BlackFalkin]

they would need a "partner" adding football who could serve as a rival, and mentioned Riverside as that possibility.

THATS a great idea, it would be a big boost of attendance, and an interesting rivalry. also ur right about the matchup with poly. good matchups include:

• san diego st.
  uc san diego
  cal poly
  uc davis
  sac st.
  northern arizona
  san jose state
  uc riverside

these west coast match ups are a gold mine bc southern cal doesnt have div 1aa football. shit, if you think about it, they might be better off being a independent [like someone else said] bc then they could schedule the best teams [monetary wise]

ucla/fresno state/san diego st for money then a mix of big sky & great west teams. then playoffs, just like notre dame.

also noted that Fullerton despite being a large school, doesn't have as good a campus culture as one might hope.

thats correct and you can attribute that to the surrounding area of orange county and LA county in which both blend seemlessly together. students dont just stay stranded on campus like Cheney & bozeman.. they drift off like Seattle & Sacramento.
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If CS Fullerton follows these rules they can EASILY have a FB team the *BlackFalkin way* /cheap way

• +only play teams within a 8 hour drive...
  +sell stadium naming rights to obtain decent stadium...
  +make players fund raise quarterly, for travel & all around budget...
  +call up & beg alum for $$$, for all around budget...
  +play 2 div1a games against big teams for big $$$ for all around budget...
  +get good head coach that will take a pay cut bc he has a bad temp/bad reputation...
  +dig thru local talent &make a 90% cali team=better attendance, less outta state skollies/recruiting budget...
  +get some basic but quality uniforms...
  +instill some fvckin school pride in those bastards & boost attendance/support=more $$$...
  +advertise on local tv/radio with cheerleader fundraised money...
  +have players & cheerleaders make free "apearances" @ hospitals ect.. for good publicity/advertising...
  +MAKE players goto home basketball & baseball games for good publicity/advertising...
  +fill the stadium w/ tailgates/hot bitches/banners ect.. make it feel like an event EVERY GAME...
  +play LESS away games & MORE home games... LIKE MONTANA does...
  +last but not least WIN.... BC cali doesnt have SIMPathy towards losers.

[dbackjon]

Interesting proposal, BF.


As I stated earlier - mixed feelings about these two schools from a NAU perspective

Good - more OOC schools nearby to schedule.
Bad - competition for SoCal talent.

[BlackFalkin]

Bad - competition for SoCal talent.

Haha Interesting point! bc Fullerton would have to absolutely FEED off the mission viejo/ long beach poly all stars that are also usc/ucla rejects before they can run off to NAU & CalPoly [& like me... Eastern Washington btw i wanted to get *RINGS* or i would have went to NAU ]

[TwinTownBisonFan]

there are a TON of talented players in SoCal who end up playing JUCO because they don't want to leave the southland...

[BlackFalkin]

true, & ive seen great players just give up after high school bc they didnt get offers from a pac 10 or west coast d1a.

+there are 354 high schools in SOUTHERN california.
+at least 3 *MAYBE* 4 pac-10 quality guys to a team [mine had about 7]
+carry the 1... thats about 1060 guys.. everyone cant go to the pac 10 right?

[dbackjon]

There is a lot of talent in SoCal, and you are right, not a lot of FBS or even FCS choices out there close by.