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Should Eric Holder step down over "Fast and Furious"?

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http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/alcohol- ... d=14009585" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
The acting head of the ATF voluntarily appeared before two congressional oversight committees and revealed that senior Justice Department officials tried to limit his communications with Congress about an investigation into a controversial ATF program known as "Fast and Furious," according to a letter from the heads of two oversight committees.
Melson testified that he and top management at ATF moved to reassign supervisors working on Fast and Furious and that officials at DOJ allegedly tried to prevent ATF from notifying the oversight committees about the full nature of the management moves. The letter sent to Holder notes, "If his account is accurate, then ATF leadership appears to have been effectively muzzled while the DOJ sent over false denials and buried its head in the sand. That approach distorted the truth and obstructed our investigation. The Department's inability or unwillingness to be more forthcoming served to conceal critical information that we are now learning about the involvement of other agencies, including the DEA and the FBI."
Whistleblowers fired, US attorney for AZ resigns, and the head of the ATF resigns?
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Re: Should Eric Holder step down over "Fast and Furious"?

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He should have resigned long ago for a myriad of reasons... this scandal is just the latest thing.
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Re: Should Eric Holder step down over "Fast and Furious"?

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ASUG8 wrote:http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/alcohol- ... d=14009585
The acting head of the ATF voluntarily appeared before two congressional oversight committees and revealed that senior Justice Department officials tried to limit his communications with Congress about an investigation into a controversial ATF program known as "Fast and Furious," according to a letter from the heads of two oversight committees.
Melson testified that he and top management at ATF moved to reassign supervisors working on Fast and Furious and that officials at DOJ allegedly tried to prevent ATF from notifying the oversight committees about the full nature of the management moves. The letter sent to Holder notes, "If his account is accurate, then ATF leadership appears to have been effectively muzzled while the DOJ sent over false denials and buried its head in the sand. That approach distorted the truth and obstructed our investigation. The Department's inability or unwillingness to be more forthcoming served to conceal critical information that we are now learning about the involvement of other agencies, including the DEA and the FBI."
Whistleblowers fired, US attorney for AZ resigns, and the head of the ATF resigns?
Not only yes, but Hell Yes! This whole fiasco is bad enough on it's own merits, but add in the retaliation & cover-up and it goes to a new level. This is a distraction the administration doesn't need heading into an election year....we get the government we deserve... :ohno:
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Re: Should Eric Holder step down over "Fast and Furious"?

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Eric Holder's appointment was a huge mistake. Since being sworn in, he's been responsible for around 10 publicly known, indictable offenses.

This is the classic case of the fox guarding the hen house.

MSM has buried their head in the sand. The Democrats cover their ears and block out the truth...because he's doing the unethical dirty work hateful limousince libs SECRETLY WISH THEY COULD DO.

Target the 2nd Amendment.
Harrass "big business" under color of authority.
Ignore the 4th Amendment.
Abuse "hate speech" laws to silence political adversaries.
Fabricate "technical" violations to punish political opponent financial supporters.
Willfully misinterpret "domestic terrorism" laws to include patriotic Americans and veterans, merely because they support conservative platforms.
Practice racism in hiring.
Allow hate groups with liberal agendas to violate voting rights/civil rights laws.
Refuse to enforce immigration laws.
Perjure himself to Congress.
Use DOJ assets to pursue harrassment/intimidation of other law enforcement officials who enforce laws Holder doesn't want enforced.

Not enough?

He's destroying the long-term integrity of the Department of Justice. Read...

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Either disprove or STFU!

Holder is the single biggest threat to justice in America. He is a traitor.
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Re: Should Eric Holder step down over "Fast and Furious"?

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blueballs wrote:He should have resigned long ago for a myriad of reasons... this scandal is just the latest thing.
:+1: Incompetence is another good reason. A trait that pervades this administration.
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Yes

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+6, or is that +7? Holder is the biggest crook in the Obama admin, and thats saying a lot.
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Re: Should Eric Holder step down over "Fast and Furious"?

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Justice Department does Friday night document dump hoping to cover up Congressional Investigation perjury.

Justice Department submits letter with false information to Sen. Grassley's investigators.

Three Justice lawyers are outed as the culprits.

Though Justice spokespeople attempt a mea culpa hoping to mitigate the damage...

...Holder continues to obfuscate the Congressional investigation.

And Obama refuses to fire him and clean up Justice. :ohno:

Justice Department Reveals Origins of False Gun Letter To Grassley
http://www.rollcall.com/news/justice_de ... 742-1.html

http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/201 ... t=1&f=1001

Just glad to see those same activists who screamed for Alberto Gonzalez's dismissal for wrongfully terminating subordinates are now screaming for Holder's dismissal for facilitating murder and committing perjury before Congress.

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Re: Should Eric Holder step down over "Fast and Furious"?

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He should be fired for lack of pursuing the banksters. :coffee:
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kalm wrote:He should be fired for lack of pursuing the INVESTMENT banksters. :coffee:
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kalm wrote:He should be fired for lack of pursuing the INVESTMENT banksters. :coffee:
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Hence the term "banksters". I am pro credit union, small local and regional banks, and competition. :nod:
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Justice Department seals Border Patrol Murder Indictment

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Justice Dept. has apparently succeeded in their quest to have the District Judge seal the indictment in Border Patrol Agent Terry's murder prosecution.

No doubt, AG Holder wanted the trial to unfold "organically".


U.S. Seals Court Records Of Border Patrol’s Murder

Thu, 12/01/2011 - 10:03am

http://www.judicialwatch.org/blog/2011/ ... l-s-murder
The Obama Administration has abruptly sealed court records containing alarming details of how Mexican drug smugglers murdered a U.S. Border patrol agent with a gun connected to a failed federal experiment that allowed firearms to be smuggled into Mexico.

This means information will now be kept from the public as well as the media. Could this be a cover-up on the part of the “most transparent” administration in history? After all, the rifle used to kill the federal agent (Brian Terry) last December in Arizona’s Peck Canyon was part of the now infamous Operation Fast and Furious. Conducted by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF), the disastrous scheme allowed guns to be smuggled into Mexico so they could eventually be traced to drug cartels.

Instead, federal law enforcement officers lost track of more than 1,000 guns which have been used in numerous crimes. In Terry’s case, five illegal immigrants armed with at least two semi-automatic assault rifles were hunting for U.S. Border Patrol agents near a desert watering hole just north of the Arizona-Mexico border when a firefight erupted and Terry got hit.

We know this only because Washington D.C.’s conservative newspaper , the Washington Times, got ahold of the court documents before the government suddenly made them off limits. The now-sealed federal grand jury indictment tells the frightening story of how Terry was gunned down by Mexican drug smugglers patrolling the rugged desert with the intent to “intentionally and forcibly assault” Border Patrol agents.

You can see why the administration wants to keep this information from the public and the media, considering the smugglers were essentially armed by the U.S. government. Truth is, no one will know the reason for the confiscation of public court records in this case because the judge’s decision to seal it was also sealed, according to the news story. That means the public or media won’t have access to any new or old evidence, filings, rulings or arguments.

A number of high-ranking Border Patrol officials are questioning how the case is being handled. For instance, they wonder why the defendant (Manuel Osorio-Arellanes) hasn’t been tried even though it’s been almost a year since Terry’s murder. They also have concerns about the lack of transparency in the investigation, not to mention the recent sealing of the court case.

Osorio-Arellanes is charged with second-degree murder. The four other drug smugglers fled the scene and their names were blacked out in the indictment. In 2006 Osorio-Arellanes had been convicted in Phoenix of felony aggravated assault and in 2010 he was twice detained for being in the U.S. illegally.

During a Senate Judiciary Committee hearing this month to address the flawed gun-tracking program, Attorney General Eric Holder said it’s not fair to assume that mistakes in Operation Fast and Furious led to Terry’s death. Holder also expressed regret to the federal agent’s family, saying that he can only imagine their pain.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/201 ... #pagebreak

Yet, before it was sealed, Washington Times obtained copies of the indictment and confirmed that the indicted suspects had obtained the weapons through Holder's Fast and Furious gun sale program, FOR THE PURPOSE OF STALKING/HUNTING DOWN BORDER PATROL AGENTS TO KILL THEM!!!

On the night of the firefight in which Terry was murdered, the Agents were using shotguns loaded with non-lethal beanbags, while the Cartel Assasins were carrying AK-47's provided by the shill Justice Department gun sales program!!!!!

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Gotta say...any person who would attempt to support or defend what Holder/BATF did should go dress up as a Border Patrol agent and head to Nogales or Laredo.

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There was bad writing on the wall about this AG before he was appointed.

There is nothing new in appointments being more about politics than ability, both sides do it.

I fault those who confirmed him.
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This guy needs to step down and go into a jail cell. He's done more injustice than justice.
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CID1990 wrote:There was bad writing on the wall about this AG before he was appointed.

There is nothing new in appointments being more about politics than ability, both sides do it.

I fault those who confirmed him.
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Gun Regulation was the intent

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Documents from Justice's "document dump" confirm Fast and Furious was being used as reason to push for increased gun regulation.

Documents: ATF used "Fast and Furious" to make the case for gun regulations

December 7, 2011 1:44 PM
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http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-31727_162-5 ... gulations/
...In Fast and Furious, ATF secretly encouraged gun dealers to sell to suspected traffickers for Mexican drug cartels to go after the "big fish." But ATF whistleblowers told CBS News and Congress it was a dangerous practice called "gunwalking," and it put thousands of weapons on the street. Many were used in violent crimes in Mexico. Two were found at the murder scene of a U.S. Border Patrol agent.

ATF officials didn't intend to publicly disclose their own role in letting Mexican cartels obtain the weapons, but emails show they discussed using the sales, including sales encouraged by ATF, to justify a new gun regulation called "Demand Letter 3". That would require some U.S. gun shops to report the sale of multiple rifles or "long guns." Demand Letter 3 was so named because it would be the third ATF program demanding gun dealers report tracing information.

On July 14, 2010 after ATF headquarters in Washington D.C. received an update on Fast and Furious, ATF Field Ops Assistant Director Mark Chait emailed Bill Newell, ATF's Phoenix Special Agent in Charge of Fast and Furious:

"Bill - can you see if these guns were all purchased from the same (licensed gun dealer) and at one time. We are looking at anecdotal cases to support a demand letter on long gun multiple sales. Thanks."

On Jan. 4, 2011, as ATF prepared a press conference to announce arrests in Fast and Furious, Newell saw it as "(A)nother time to address Multiple Sale on Long Guns issue." And a day after the press conference, Chait emailed Newell: "Bill--well done yesterday... (I)n light of our request for Demand letter 3, this case could be a strong supporting factor if we can determine how many multiple sales of long guns occurred during the course of this case." ...

...Several gun dealers who cooperated with ATF told CBS News and Congressional investigators they only went through with suspicious sales because ATF asked them to.

Sometimes it was against the gun dealer's own best judgment.
http://www.cbsnews.com/htdocs/pdf/atf_i ... 111207.pdf

In April, 2010 a licensed gun dealer cooperating with ATF was increasingly concerned about selling so many guns. "We just want to make sure we are cooperating with ATF and that we are not viewed as selling to the bad guys," writes the gun dealer to ATF Phoenix officials, "(W)e were hoping to put together something like a letter of understanding to alleviate concerns of some type of recourse against us down the road for selling these items."
http://www.cbsnews.com/htdocs/pdf/atf_i ... 111207.pdf

ATF's group supervisor on Fast and Furious David Voth assures the gun dealer there's nothing to worry about. "We (ATF) are continually monitoring these suspects using a variety of investigative techniques which I cannot go into detail."

Two months later, the same gun dealer grew more agitated.

"I wanted to make sure that none of the firearms that were sold per our conversation with you and various ATF agents could or would ever end up south of the border or in the hands of the bad guys. I guess I am looking for a bit of reassurance that the guns are not getting south or in the wrong hands...I want to help ATF with its investigation but not at the risk of agents (sic) safety because I have some very close friends that are US Border Patrol agents in southern AZ as well as my concern for all the agents (sic) safety that protect our country."

"It's like ATF created or added to the problem so they could be the solution to it and pat themselves on the back," says one law enforcement source familiar with the facts. "It's a circular way of thinking."

The Justice Department and ATF declined to comment. ATF officials mentioned in this report did not respond to requests from CBS News to speak with them.

"Demand Letter 3"

The two sides in the gun debate have long clashed over whether gun dealers should have to report multiple rifle sales. On one side, ATF officials argue that a large number of semi-automatic, high-caliber rifles from the U.S. are being used by violent cartels in Mexico. They believe more reporting requirements would help ATF crack down. On the other side, gun rights advocates say that's unconstitutional, and would not make a difference in Mexican cartel crimes.

Two earlier Demand Letters were initiated in 2000 and affected a relatively small number of gun shops. Demand Letter 3 was to be much more sweeping, affecting 8,500 firearms dealers in four southwest border states: Arizona, California, New Mexico and Texas. ATF chose those states because they "have a significant number of crime guns traced back to them from Mexico." The reporting requirements were to apply if a gun dealer sells two or more long guns to a single person within five business days, and only if the guns are semi-automatic, greater than .22 caliber and can be fitted with a detachable magazine.

On April 25, 2011, ATF announced plans to implement Demand Letter 3. The National Shooting Sports Foundation is suing the ATF to stop the new rules. It calls the regulation an illegal attempt to enforce a law Congress never passed. ATF counters that it has reasonably targeted guns used most often to "commit violent crimes in Mexico, especially by drug gangs."

Sen. Charles Grassley, R-Iowa, is investigating Fast and Furious, as well as the alleged use of the case to advance gun regulations. "There's plenty of evidence showing that this administration planned to use the tragedies of Fast and Furious as rationale to further their goals of a long gun reporting requirement. But, we've learned from our investigation that reporting multiple long gun sales would do nothing to stop the flow of firearms to known straw purchasers because many Federal Firearms Dealers are already voluntarily reporting suspicious transactions. It's pretty clear that the problem isn't lack of burdensome reporting requirements."

On July 12, 2011, Sen. Grassley and Rep. Darrell Issa, R-Calif., wrote Attorney General Eric Holder, whose Justice Department oversees ATF. They asked Holder whether officials in his agency discussed how "Fast and Furious could be used to justify additional regulatory authorities." So far, they have not received a response. CBS News asked the Justice Department for comment and context on ATF emails about Fast and Furious and Demand Letter 3, but officials declined to speak with us.
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Donks are justifying, rationalizing, donkifying this now, blaming Bush. Not working anymore, 2 wrongs don't make a right as they say. Bush admin had them arrested at the border, Obama admin is letting them through the border and people are dying. By signing off on the wire-tapping, Holder new this was happening and should/should have resigned.

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Gil Dobie wrote:Donks are justifying, rationalizing, donkifying this now, blaming Bush. Not working anymore, 2 wrongs don't make a right as they say. Bush admin had them arrested at the border, Obama admin is letting them through the border and people are dying. By signing off on the wire-tapping, Holder new this was happening and should/should have resigned.

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Re: Should Eric Holder step down over "Fast and Furious"?

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Gil Dobie wrote:Donks are justifying, rationalizing, donkifying this now, blaming Bush. Not working anymore, 2 wrongs don't make a right as they say. Bush admin had them arrested at the border, Obama admin is letting them through the border and people are dying. By signing off on the wire-tapping, Holder new this was happening and should/should have resigned.

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What "Democrat" investigation???????????

The only "official" government investigation is the Congressional Committee Chaired by Rep. Issa.

Nothing but a fantasy PR press release by "The Democrats" to cover up AG Holder's criminal misdeeds...

...published by AP.

:lol:

Amazed this hasn't been handed off to a Special Counsel yet.
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America's Top Crook

...a walk down memory lane to remind America how Obama's Department of Justice views American's constitutional rights:

http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-TV/2 ... on-On-Guns
...video from 1995 of then-U.S. Attorney Eric Holder announcing a public campaign to "really brainwash people into thinking about guns in a vastly different way."

Holder was addressing the Woman's National Democratic Club. In his remarks, broadcast by CSPAN 2, he explained that he intended to use anti-smoking campaigns as his model to "change the hearts and minds of people in Washington, DC" about guns.
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These guys should be in jail for their botched attempt on gun control of fast and Furious that caused
the deaths of American and Mexican citizens

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Re: Should Eric Holder step down over "Fast and Furious"?

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"Gun-tracking operation caught top suspect, then let him go

Federal agents stopped the main target of the ill-fated Operation Fast and Furious in May 2010. After they questioned him, he disappeared back into Mexico, and the program went on to spiral out of control.

Reporting from Washington— Seven months after federal agents began the ill-fated Fast and Furious gun-tracking operation, they stumbled upon their main suspect in a remote Arizona outpost on the Mexican border, driving an old BMW with 74 rounds of ammunition and nine cellphones hidden inside.

Detained for questioning that day in May 2010, Manuel Fabian Celis-Acosta described to agents from theBureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosiveshis close association with a top Mexican drug cartel member, according to documents obtained this weekend by the Times/Tribune Washington Bureau.

The top Fast and Furious investigator, Special Agent Hope MacAllister, scribbled her phone number on a $10 bill after he pledged to cooperate and keep in touch with investigators.

Then Celis-Acosta disappeared into Mexico. He never called.

Had they arrested him red-handed trying to smuggle ammunition into Mexico, Fast and Furious might have ended quickly. Instead, the program dragged on for another eight months, spiraling out of control.............(continues)..."
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Re: Should Eric Holder step down over "Fast and Furious"?

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It's been a year since BHO said they would hold the guilty accountable

I have a feeling it's like O. J. saying he was looking for the real killer
Almost One year ago: Obama on "gunwalking": Serious mistake may have been made
CBS News ^ | March 23, 2011 | Sharyl Attkisson


Last night, a reporter from Univision asked President Obama about the subject of a CBS News investigation: allegations that ATF allowed traffickers to send weapons to Mexican drug cartels in an operation called "Fast and Furious."

"There may be a situation here which a serious mistake was made and if that's the case then we'll find out and well hold somebody accountable," he added.



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Re: Should Eric Holder step down over "Fast and Furious"?

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President Barack Obama has asserted executive privilege over documents sought by a House committee investigating the botched Fast and Furious gun-running sting, according to a letter to the panel Wednesday from Deputy Attorney Gen. James Cole.
The move means the Department of Justice can withhold the documents from the House Oversight Committee, which was scheduled to consider a contempt measure Wednesday against Holder.
"I write now to inform you that the president has asserted executive privilege over the relevant post-February 4, 2011, documents," Cole wrote in a letter to committee chairman Rep. Darrell Issa, R-California.
So much for transparency........folks should remember this in November.
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