AGS Poll Week 11

[grizzaholic]

NDSU has 1 FCS loss to an unranked FCS team - that UNI beat missing 2 key players
UNI has one FCS loss to NDSU

Unless the FBS game is a massive upset (which NDSU/Minn wasn't) or a massive blowout (which UNI/ISU wasn't) I throw those out.

It could be said their resume is almost identical, and it could be argued that UNI had a better FCS OOC SOS.


Like I said, the fact that the game was a 1 TD game (a TD that was scored off a UNI fumble at the UNI 2 yard line) and UNI missing their starting RB and played a rFr backup QB for the 4th quarter, leads me to believe the teams are pretty even....Game in Fargo=NDSU win...game in CF=UNI win...game on nuetral site=toss up.

Spin it any way you like...The fact remains that NDSU has a better record AND the head to head win over UNI.

BUT a loss later in the season than UNI

[clenz]

NDSU has 1 FCS loss to an unranked FCS team - that UNI beat missing 2 key players
UNI has one FCS loss to NDSU

Unless the FBS game is a massive upset (which NDSU/Minn wasn't) or a massive blowout (which UNI/ISU wasn't) I throw those out.

It could be said their resume is almost identical, and it could be argued that UNI had a better FCS OOC SOS.


Like I said, the fact that the game was a 1 TD game (a TD that was scored off a UNI fumble at the UNI 2 yard line) and UNI missing their starting RB and played a rFr backup QB for the 4th quarter, leads me to believe the teams are pretty even....Game in Fargo=NDSU win...game in CF=UNI win...game on nuetral site=toss up.

Spin it any way you like...The fact remains that NDSU has a better record AND the head to head win over UNI.

I'm not spinning anything....you ask for a justification as to how it could happen....I gave it to you.

Houston has a better record than every team in the FBS except LSU and Okie State....should they be ranked third?

[mlbowl]

Spin it any way you like...The fact remains that NDSU has a better record AND the head to head win over UNI.

I'm not spinning anything....you ask for a justification as to how it could happen....I gave it to you.

Houston has a better record than every team in the FBS except LSU and Okie State....should they be ranked third?

Does Houston have head to head wins over the teams in front of them?

[clenz]

I'm not spinning anything....you ask for a justification as to how it could happen....I gave it to you.

Houston has a better record than every team in the FBS except LSU and Okie State....should they be ranked third?

Does Houston have head to head wins over the teams in front of them?

Head to head isn't everything....Again let's play this game

NDSU beat UNI
UNI beat YSU
YSU beat NDSU

In that order in back to back to back weeks

The one rule of maintaining a high rank is not to lose late...Guess who lost more recently - to an unranked team that might not make the playoffs. That loss hurts NDSU more than the NDSU loss hurts UNI.

[grizzaholic]

Does Houston have head to head wins over the teams in front of them?

Head to head isn't everything....Again let's play this game

NDSU beat UNI
UNI beat YSU
YSU beat NDSU

In that order in back to back to back weeks

The one rule of maintaining a high rank is not to lose late...Guess who lost more recently - to an unranked team that might not make the playoffs. That loss hurts NDSU more than the NDSU loss hurts UNI.

THIS

[mlbowl]

Does Houston have head to head wins over the teams in front of them?

Head to head isn't everything....Again let's play this game

NDSU beat UNI
UNI beat YSU
YSU beat NDSU

Well, there it is...plain as day. I guess if Montana beats msu, we'll still be ranked behind them cuz Montana lost to Sac St and msu beat them. I just figured out Blue's Clues

[clenz]

Head to head isn't everything....Again let's play this game

NDSU beat UNI
UNI beat YSU
YSU beat NDSU

Well, there it is...plain as day. I guess if Montana beats msu, we'll still be ranked behind them cuz Montana lost to Sac St and msu beat them. I just figured out Blue's Clues

Actually, MSU lost most recently - depending how things play out I'd guess Montana would jump MSU based on that fact alone.


You aren't following my logic. Had YSU beaten NDSU in week 3 but everything else played out exactly the same this year NDSU would be a head of UNI right now because UNI would have the most recent loss.

That series of games I laid out happened in back to back to back weeks at the end of the season....thus the reason NDSU fell behind UNI.


I have never once said it was right - you asked for justification of it....which I have done in many different ways.

[grizzaholic]

Head to head isn't everything....Again let's play this game

NDSU beat UNI
UNI beat YSU
YSU beat NDSU

Well, there it is...plain as day. I guess if Montana beats msu, we'll still be ranked behind them cuz Montana lost to Sac St and msu beat them. I just figured out Blue's Clues

Way to pick and choose....Montana St. will have lost later in the season than Montana.

I always thought you were a logical down to earth poster with little to no bias...I sure hope this is just a Troll job.

[mlbowl]

Well, there it is...plain as day. I guess if Montana beats msu, we'll still be ranked behind them cuz Montana lost to Sac St and msu beat them. I just figured out Blue's Clues

Way to pick and choose....Montana St. will have lost later in the season than Montana.

I always thought you were a logical down to earth poster with little to no bias...I sure hope this is just a Troll job.

Well, I am most definitely not biased towards NDSU and i do understand late losses. I just don't see how you drop a team that has a better record and a head to head win below the team that they beat just 3 weeks ago but i digress...This argument is really not worth the time I've already expended as I really couldn't care less about either team.

[Ursus A. Horribilis]

NDSU has 1 FCS loss to an unranked FCS team - that UNI beat missing 2 key players
UNI has one FCS loss to NDSU

Unless the FBS game is a massive upset (which NDSU/Minn wasn't) or a massive blowout (which UNI/ISU wasn't) I throw those out.

It could be said their resume is almost identical, and it could be argued that UNI had a better FCS OOC SOS.


Like I said, the fact that the game was a 1 TD game (a TD that was scored off a UNI fumble at the UNI 2 yard line) and UNI missing their starting RB and played a rFr backup QB for the 4th quarter, leads me to believe the teams are pretty even....Game in Fargo=NDSU win...game in CF=UNI win...game on nuetral site=toss up.

Spin it any way you like...The fact remains that NDSU has a better record AND the head to head win over UNI.

I don't know why people get so wrapped up in that as the tell all? I'm not sure that NDSU would beat them next week and considering how close the game was AT NDSU if it is a voters belief that UNI would prevail on a nuetral field then the call has as much chance of being correct as it does being incorrect.

[Gil Dobie]

Spin it any way you like...The fact remains that NDSU has a better record AND the head to head win over UNI.

I don't know why people get so wrapped up in that as the tell all? I'm not sure that NDSU would beat them next week and considering how close the game was AT NDSU if it is a voters belief that UNI would prevail on a nuetral field then the call has as much chance of being correct as it does being incorrect.

Head to Head isn't everything. Last year UNI won the head to head, but NDSU had better success in the playoffs.

[Ursus A. Horribilis]

I agree with Gil here. I think that policy would remove too many voters, especially in the early season votes where things are a lot more speculative & there's rarely an obvious #1.

It just seems a little too draconian to me.

Agreed, but I can see a case where a guy like DetroitFlyer may vote for another Pioneer team as #1 just to stick it to the poll.

Fella's I already said I'm not married to it. Tman pointed out a problem or a perceived problem at the very least so I was simply throwing out an idea. It's actually only happened that there were maybe four or five ballots cast out of 11 or 1200 this year that had a single team getting a #1 vote without someone else agreeing with that pick.

Having one guy place a team high out of 100 voters doesn't affect the poll anyway if it is a team that others think are a top 10 team anyway most of the time. There is normally a little more point spread in those teams than the 5 or 9 points can overcome to achieve a different spot.

Just saying I ain't making it a law or anything and you can consider me talked out of it.

[Ursus A. Horribilis]

I don't know why people get so wrapped up in that as the tell all? I'm not sure that NDSU would beat them next week and considering how close the game was AT NDSU if it is a voters belief that UNI would prevail on a nuetral field then the call has as much chance of being correct as it does being incorrect.

Head to Head isn't everything. Last year UNI won the head to head, but NDSU had better success in the playoffs.

Very true and it happens like that a whole lot. Those two teams are very good and are on a very similar level and should be ranked closely. Since NDSU just hit a rough patch against another team that is not perceived to be as good as NDSU I can see the ranking being as it is without any problem at all.

Lots of voters with lots of philosophies on how to do this and everyone thinks their way is the only way to do it.

[FargoBison]

Unless the FBS game is a massive upset (which NDSU/Minn wasn't) or a massive blowout (which UNI/ISU wasn't) I throw those out.

It's easy to toss out an FBS win when your team doesn't have one.....NDSU's resume is better because NDSU beat MN and beat UNI head to head. Not sure how you can say they are identical.

[cpacmel]

Sorry Clenz, I don't see things the way you do. And when you keep bringing up how North Dakota State beat you guys, it comes across as SPIN to me. I know the specific's of how you guys lost to Iowa State too. But in the end, with both games, they are both L's. Could one play here or there changed them to 2 W's? ABSOLUTELY. But do you know how many teams could say the same thing? And other team's have pretty big injuries too. But that's the WHAT if game.

I don't vote in Polls. But if I did, looking at both team's resume's I don't know how anyone could vote UNI ahead of ND State this week. Even with a 3 point loss to a Youngstown State team (which has it's back against the wall and that took UNI to the brink the week prior), their resume is still slightly better than UNI's, in my humble opinion.