OWS Protests Turning Violent

[kalm]

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Good catch Bronco. I posted the same report on Fannie & Freddie back in March 2010:
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As Gannon pointed out, both sides were heavily involved, and it's laughable that conks continue to ignore the Republican and the bank's role in repealing Glass Steagle and deregulating the derivatives market. Securitization of the loans is what made this a true crisis. And btw, who authored the bill to finally audit the Fed and F&F? Ron Paul, a republican outcast, Bernie Sanders, a Democratic Socialist, and Alan Grayson who might be to the left of Kucinich.

Btw, how many people have been injured maimed, or killed by these violent thugs?

[bluehenbillk]

I told you guys about a month ago or more that this movemnet wasn't going away & would turn violent. This is just the tip of the iceberg - no doubt that jobs & this will be the BIGGEST issues of the 2012 elections. You see militia guys in Georgia this week getting arrested for assassination plans of Georgia elected officials - this will be more commonplace as this thing goes on.

I told you guys.

[kalm]

I told you guys about a month ago or more that this movemnet wasn't going away & would turn violent. This is just the tip of the iceberg - no doubt that jobs & this will be the BIGGEST issues of the 2012 elections. You see militia guys in Georgia this week getting arrested for assassination plans of Georgia elected officials - this will be more commonplace as this thing goes on.

I told you guys.

Good call, but I would be surprised if the violence gets much worse. Emo/hippies and such.

[Pwns]

I told you guys about a month ago or more that this movemnet wasn't going away & would turn violent. This is just the tip of the iceberg - no doubt that jobs & this will be the BIGGEST issues of the 2012 elections. You see militia guys in Georgia this week getting arrested for assassination plans of Georgia elected officials - this will be more commonplace as this thing goes on.

I told you guys.

If this type of stuff spreads across the country then OWS has signed their death warrant. The minute the violence starts to spread is the minute OWS loses all sympathy from the public. That's when law enforcement will start to get more aggressive and there won't be a whole lot of sympathy from the public.

[bluehenbillk]

I think you'll see these movements grow even more in numbers of cities & numbers of protestors.

I also think as government continues to fail you'll see more repeats of the Gifford episode in Arizona & the homegrown militias in Georgia.

[YoUDeeMan]

NPR just reported that a poll showed 50% of New Yorkers are not sympathetic to the protesters there. That's a whole lot different than the 99% would hope for.

Seems as though they are wearing out their welcome.

[YoUDeeMan]

I think you'll see these movements grow even more in numbers of cities & numbers of protestors.

I also think as government continues to fail you'll see more repeats of the Gifford episode in Arizona & the homegrown militias in Georgia.

We've had militias, some of them whack jobs from the fringe, in this country from the beginning ...and assasinations, too. Had the National guard out in force in Wilmington, DE and elsewhere in the 60's and 70's.

No matter what, the rich will still be rich...the poor will still be poor...the vast majority of the political activists will still carry their bullhorns and go home when things get tough...the lazy will still stay lazy and not get involved...and the oddball extremists will still be oddball extremists. Sure, a few sparks might fly, but they always have and it hasn't amounted to much.

[Ibanez]

I'm not equating this to any revolution, but what do you guys think? Are we witnessing the beginning of something major?

[Grizalltheway]

NPR just reported that a poll showed 50% of New Yorkers are not sympathetic to the protesters there. That's a whole lot different than the 99% would hope for.

Seems as though they are wearing out their welcome.

Heard an interview with one cvnt who had the cash to fly to Nice, France to join the protest there. It's a global movement, doncha know.

[bluehenbillk]

I'm not equating this to any revolution, but what do you guys think? Are we witnessing the beginning of something major?

In a word - absolutely.

[AZGrizFan]

I was so surprised to see that violence was erupting in Oakland....usually such a peaceful city.

Yes, I must say I'm shocked. Shocked, I say.

[89Hen]

I'm not equating this to any revolution, but what do you guys think? Are we witnessing the beginning of something major?

In a word - absolutely.

You keep hoping.

[Ibanez]

I'm not equating this to any revolution, but what do you guys think? Are we witnessing the beginning of something major?

In a word - absolutely.

I think the Occupy protest, coupled with the Tea Party movement, have given us a basis for a revolutionary movement that could affect real change.

[89Hen]

repealing Glass Steagle and deregulating the derivatives market. Securitization of the loans is what made this a true crisis.

That's one opinion.

[TwinTownBisonFan]

In a word - absolutely.

You keep hoping.

nope.

1. We have elections too frequently for the pressure to build up to an unstable point.
2. Despite how bad it is for so many people - the VAST majority still support our system (MANY would like to see some changes... but nothing like revolution)
3. We still are nowhere near as tenuous or dangerous as things were in the 30's... not even close, not even a little.

As for these protests "turning violent"... meh. Isolated incidents here and there to this point... considering the size and scope of the movement - it's been pretty tame thusfar. What I HAVE noticed changing as a result of these protests are the number of articles that reference the dramatic rise in the equity gap between the wealthiest and everyone else. In that regard - mission accomplished.

This movement will flame out - because it is, in essence, the Tea Party left. These movements tend to become dominated by their extremes... so it will likely be with this one. The more moderate, and salient, points will be co-opted by politicians, and we'll move on. Sunrise. Sunset.

[Grizalltheway]

In a word - absolutely.

I think the Occupy protest, coupled with the Tea Party movement, have given us a basis for a revolutionary movement that could affect real change.

Meh. Despite all the media coverage and hype, both movements still constitute a pretty small percentage of society. Most people are still busy trying to make ends meet, or find work if they're unemployed. Once the unemployment rate comes down to a more normal level, this will most likely be a distant memory.

[89Hen]

In a word - absolutely.

nope.

1. We have elections too frequently for the pressure to build up to an unstable point.
2. Despite how bad it is for so many people - the VAST majority still support our system (MANY would like to see some changes... but nothing like revolution)
3. We still are nowhere near as tenuous or dangerous as things were in the 30's... not even close, not even a little.

As for these protests "turning violent"... meh. Isolated incidents here and there to this point... considering the size and scope of the movement - it's been pretty tame thusfar. What I HAVE noticed changing as a result of these protests are the number of articles that reference the dramatic rise in the equity gap between the wealthiest and everyone else. In that regard - mission accomplished.

This movement will flame out - because it is, in essence, the Tea Party left. These movements tend to become dominated by their extremes... so it will likely be with this one. The more moderate, and salient, points will be co-opted by politicians, and we'll move on. Sunrise. Sunset.

[TwinTownBisonFan]

In a word - absolutely.

I think the Occupy protest, coupled with the Tea Party movement, have given us a basis for a revolutionary movement that could affect real change.

Those two movements have given us a basis upon which a low level civil war can be waged... that's about it.

Where they agree - their anger and frustration at seemingly unchecked power and greed - would be a place for consensus - however they are both so hardwired in to the need for conflict and the need to "win" that they are pathologically incapable of compromise... (ironic... the same problem that hinders their elected leaders... hrm... wonder what that says?)

[AZGrizFan]

You keep hoping.

nope.

1. We have elections too frequently for the pressure to build up to an unstable point.
2. Despite how bad it is for so many people - the VAST majority still support our system (MANY would like to see some changes... but nothing like revolution)
3. We still are nowhere near as tenuous or dangerous as things were in the 30's... not even close, not even a little.

As for these protests "turning violent"... meh. Isolated incidents here and there to this point... considering the size and scope of the movement - it's been pretty tame thusfar. What I HAVE noticed changing as a result of these protests are the number of articles that reference the dramatic rise in the equity gap between the wealthiest and everyone else. In that regard - mission accomplished.

This movement will flame out - because it is, in essence, the Tea Party left. These movements tend to become dominated by their extremes... so it will likely be with this one. The more moderate, and salient, points will be co-opted by politicians, and we'll move on. Sunrise. Sunset.

You see things much more clearly now that you've stepped back from the brink.

[Grizalltheway]

repealing Glass Steagle and deregulating the derivatives market. Securitization of the loans is what made this a true crisis.

That's one opinion.

Funny, Bongo and BDK act like their opinion is the gospel truth in this matter.

[AZGrizFan]

I think the Occupy protest, coupled with the Tea Party movement, have given us a basis for a revolutionary movement that could affect real change.

Those two movements have given us a basis upon which a low level civil war can be waged... that's about it.

Where they agree - their anger and frustration at seemingly unchecked power and greed - would be a place for consensus - however they are both so hardwired in to the need for conflict and the need to "win" that they are pathologically incapable of compromise... (ironic... the same problem that hinders their elected leaders... hrm... wonder what that says?)

The problem is that the people who would affect that change SURVIVE on that power and greed. And that's akin to the fox guarding the henhouse. Until/unless we are able to elect a series of politician/statesmen who are less concerned about reelected than they are about stabilizing the system, we're going to get more of the same. And with the way the election system is set up now, that's virtually impossible.

[89Hen]

That's one opinion.

Funny, Bongo and BDK act like their opinion is the gospel truth in this matter.

And the real funny part with Kalm is that all along most of the Reps on this board have agreed that there is plenty of blame to go around, but he espouses the stuff from Rolling Stone that pins it 100% on Wall Street and the banks and then turns around and accuses of Reps pinning one one side.

[TwinTownBisonFan]

Those two movements have given us a basis upon which a low level civil war can be waged... that's about it.

Where they agree - their anger and frustration at seemingly unchecked power and greed - would be a place for consensus - however they are both so hardwired in to the need for conflict and the need to "win" that they are pathologically incapable of compromise... (ironic... the same problem that hinders their elected leaders... hrm... wonder what that says?)

The problem is that the people who would affect that change SURVIVE on that power and greed. And that's akin to the fox guarding the henhouse. Until/unless we are able to elect a series of politician/statesmen who are less concerned about reelected than they are about stabilizing the system, we're going to get more of the same. And with the way the election system is set up now, that's virtually impossible.

Thing is - I don't know if that is the case so much as it is a case of the tail wagging the dog... the party bases demand that kind of rigidity and will run-off anyone who dares utter the word "compromise". The American electorate wants something altogether contradictory... deeply, unshakably principled people who are willing to compromise. What they are getting as a result? gridlock.

The other real problem is that people never stop running for the next election. Cycles have shortened to the point that before one cycle is over - we're gameplanning the next one. (seriously - we now have 6 year cycle maps to chart races... it's sad) THAT is the broader problem - a whole lot of running for office, and not nearly enough GOVERNING.

[bluehenbillk]

Meh. Despite all the media coverage and hype, both movements still constitute a pretty small percentage of society. Most people are still busy trying to make ends meet, or find work if they're unemployed. Once the unemployment rate comes down to a more normal level, this will most likely be a distant memory.

So you're saying we have about three more years of this??

[Grizalltheway]

Meh. Despite all the media coverage and hype, both movements still constitute a pretty small percentage of society. Most people are still busy trying to make ends meet, or find work if they're unemployed. Once the unemployment rate comes down to a more normal level, this will most likely be a distant memory.

So you're saying we have about three more years of this??

Who knows. Weren't most of the 60s like this, but scaled up about 10 fold?