New #1 team in the Nation

CatMom · Post by **CatMom** » Sun Oct 30, 2011 10:31 pm

ming01 wrote:
Gil Dobie wrote:I'm expecting UND to get a few #1 votes. However I have SHSU at #1.
i have shsu at 6. i feel ndsu, msu, app st, uni and gsu are all still better despite shsu's record

1 -UNI 34
SFA 23

SAM 45
SFA 10
common opponent

2- A 6-2 team over an 8-0 team? They only beat El Cid by a TD (past performance?)

3- GSU hasn't played an FBS team yet (they're not going to win) and 1 win is a D2. They have to win both remaining FCS games to take their conference.
El Cid would give them 7 D1 wins but if they lose to Wofford they may not even be the conference champions.

This could go on forever. I am checking stats and records. You guys are all going off past performance and conference histories. I'm trying to go on the current teams records. UNI, GSU, APP St, MSU all have good programs and good histories. It's a crap shoot. SAM could go down in flames like SFA but until the playoffs prove that one way or the other I find it untenable to place any 6-2 team over an 8-0 team (that is playoff eligible)

I wasn't wrong about SFA. I knew the flaws in our 2008 team. I haven't found any in the 2011 SAM team.
#1, probably not....top 3/4....yes

CatMom · Post by **CatMom** » Sun Oct 30, 2011 10:35 pm

PS - speaking of common opponents

Wofford - 28
App St - 14

App St - 24
GSU - 17

Post by **Screamin_Eagle174** » Sun Oct 30, 2011 10:45 pm

lakesbison wrote:Ok jealous haters, fact NDSU DID.CURBSTOMP.MSU.

FACT NDSU was.curbstomping EWU after taiwan left.

FACT Ga Southern avoided a game with us.

FACT uni got trampled and put up a good fight.

FACT NDSU IS #1 despite the polls mistake votes and Anti-NDSU sentiment

FACT - EWU gift-wrapped 5 turnovers in the second half, and the blundering turds still couldn't put us away.

FACT - You're mentally challenged.

FACT - You've still got some of Bill Fette's jizz on your lips.

Post by **grizzaholic** » Sun Oct 30, 2011 10:47 pm

Screamin_Eagle174 wrote:
lakesbison wrote:Ok jealous haters, fact NDSU DID.CURBSTOMP.MSU.

FACT NDSU was.curbstomping EWU after taiwan left.

FACT Ga Southern avoided a game with us.

FACT uni got trampled and put up a good fight.

FACT NDSU IS #1 despite the polls mistake votes and Anti-NDSU sentiment
FACT - EWU gift-wrapped 5 turnovers in the second half, and the blundering turds still couldn't put us away.

FACT - You're mentally challenged.

FACT - You've still got some of Bill Fette's jizz on your lips.

Now now SE. Do you ever think he has been playing this game since he was little and that is what is making him a little over the top?

ming01 · Post by **ming01** » Mon Oct 31, 2011 12:15 am

CatMom wrote:
ming01 wrote:
i have shsu at 6. i feel ndsu, msu, app st, uni and gsu are all still better despite shsu's record
1 -UNI 34
SFA 23

SAM 45
SFA 10
common opponent

2- A 6-2 team over an 8-0 team? They only beat El Cid by a TD (past performance?)

3- GSU hasn't played an FBS team yet (they're not going to win) and 1 win is a D2. They have to win both remaining FCS games to take their conference.
El Cid would give them 7 D1 wins but if they lose to Wofford they may not even be the conference champions.

This could go on forever. I am checking stats and records. You guys are all going off past performance and conference histories. I'm trying to go on the current teams records. UNI, GSU, APP St, MSU all have good programs and good histories. It's a crap shoot. SAM could go down in flames like SFA but until the playoffs prove that one way or the other I find it untenable to place any 6-2 team over an 8-0 team (that is playoff eligible)

I wasn't wrong about SFA. I knew the flaws in our 2008 team. I haven't found any in the 2011 SAM team.
#1, probably not....top 3/4....yes

not going off of past years performances. all of the 5 i mentioned play in a stronger conference and just because a team has less losses then another doesnt necessarily mean they are better. i rank teams mostly based on who is better not just on records alone. if thats the case then jackson state should be top 5. also the common opponent thing is stupid. there's always flaws in that argument. shsu also beat sfa on a neutral field. uni had to go on the road. uni has also played a tougher schedule imo. it isnt always fair to compare. you cant rank teams based on common opponents. uni has two loses. to an okay bcs team and my #1 ranked team. i still feel they are a top 5 team and better then shsu. shsu is a solid team i just feel theyre the 6th best team imo

ming01 · Post by **ming01** » Mon Oct 31, 2011 12:22 am

CatMom wrote:PS - speaking of common opponents

Wofford - 28
App St - 14

App St - 24
GSU - 17

so wofford will beat gsu by 21 then?

wofford also lost to furman. there are flaws in your arguments

bluehenbillk · Post by **bluehenbillk** » Mon Oct 31, 2011 5:55 am

The top 3 in my polls were:

1- NDSU
2- Montana St
3- Sam Houston

Darell1976 · Post by **Darell1976** » Mon Oct 31, 2011 6:49 am

lakesbison wrote:WE'RE #1 WE'RE #1 WHERE WE SHOULD'VE BEEN ALL YEAR SINCE WE BEAT MSU AND EWU (IF NOT FOR A BAD REPLAY OFFICIAL_)

For a guy who hates it when people bring up the past..you sure love to relive it.

Hey Lakes remember 2009...3-8???

lakesbison · Post by **lakesbison** » Mon Oct 31, 2011 7:38 am

Darell1976 · Post by **Darell1976** » Mon Oct 31, 2011 8:24 am

lakesbison wrote:NAIA

lakesbison · Post by **lakesbison** » Mon Oct 31, 2011 11:22 am

clean sweep *YAWNNN*

BisonBacker · Post by **BisonBacker** » Mon Oct 31, 2011 11:54 am

lakesbison wrote:Ok jealous haters, fact NDSU DID.CURBSTOMP.MSU.

FACT NDSU was.curbstomping EWU after taiwan left.

FACT Ga Southern avoided a game with us.

FACT uni got trampled and put up a good fight.

FACT NDSU IS #1 despite the polls mistake votes and Anti-NDSU sentiment

You are not only an idiot but you are an embarassment to all NDSU fans/posters

CatMom · Post by **CatMom** » Mon Oct 31, 2011 4:10 pm

ming01 wrote:
CatMom wrote:PS - speaking of common opponents

Wofford - 28
App St - 14

App St - 24
GSU - 17
so wofford will beat gsu by 21 then? wofford also lost to furman. there are flaws in your arguments

That would be cool

I'm just playing oppositional disorder here. Somebody has to present another pov.

Post by **dbackjon** » Mon Oct 31, 2011 4:31 pm

bluehenbillk wrote:The top 3 in my polls were:

1- NDSU
2- Montana St
3- Sam Houston

And in the past, the NCAA has put them all in the same side of the bracket....

BearIt · Post by **BearIt** » Mon Oct 31, 2011 5:00 pm

ming01 wrote:
CatMom wrote: 1 -UNI 34
SFA 23

SAM 45
SFA 10
common opponent

2- A 6-2 team over an 8-0 team? They only beat El Cid by a TD (past performance?)

3- GSU hasn't played an FBS team yet (they're not going to win) and 1 win is a D2. They have to win both remaining FCS games to take their conference.
El Cid would give them 7 D1 wins but if they lose to Wofford they may not even be the conference champions.

This could go on forever. I am checking stats and records. You guys are all going off past performance and conference histories. I'm trying to go on the current teams records. UNI, GSU, APP St, MSU all have good programs and good histories. It's a crap shoot. SAM could go down in flames like SFA but until the playoffs prove that one way or the other I find it untenable to place any 6-2 team over an 8-0 team (that is playoff eligible)

I wasn't wrong about SFA. I knew the flaws in our 2008 team. I haven't found any in the 2011 SAM team.
#1, probably not....top 3/4....yes
not going off of past years performances. all of the 5 i mentioned play in a stronger conference and just because a team has less losses then another doesnt necessarily mean they are better. i rank teams mostly based on who is better not just on records alone. if thats the case then jackson state should be top 5. also the common opponent thing is stupid. there's always flaws in that argument. shsu also beat sfa on a neutral field. uni had to go on the road. uni has also played a tougher schedule imo. it isnt always fair to compare. you cant rank teams based on common opponents. uni has two loses. to an okay bcs team and my #1 ranked team. i still feel they are a top 5 team and better then shsu. shsu is a solid team i just feel theyre the 6th best team imo

Sagrin SOS Ratings in parenthesis on the far right. SHSU has a significanly weaker SOS than any one else in the Top 10. I understand the rational for ranking them higher, but at the same time it is perfectly reasonable to have them ranked lower compared to some of the other teams.

1(50). North Dakota St (171)
2(63). Northern Iowa (142)
3(66). Georgia Southern (154)
4(69). Wofford (129)
5(76). Montana St (168)
6(78). Appalachian St (134)
7(93). Maine (167)
8(95). Sam Houston St (212)
9(96). Montana (157)
10(103). Indiana St (132)

CatMom · Post by **CatMom** » Mon Oct 31, 2011 5:18 pm

In 2005 we were in this same conference, same teams (ok, no Lamar or UCA) and ended the season 9-2, with an FBS loss and we were ranked 4th going into the playoffs. We didn't even win the conference out-right and had a D2 on our schedule (which SAM does not). It was a shared championship. So that thinking and sagarin just need to be thrown out.

We made the semis and ended up ranked 4th.

I'm ok with SAM @ 4 and let them play it on the field.
As I said, they could totally crash and burn and yeah, they'll be on the same side as NDSU and the BSC teams....inevitable.
We had the good fortune of UM having a down year and then getting past CP. But we did have GSU in the first round. Kind of an anomaly...like SFA & Villanova.

I'd actually be interested in what our sagarin was that year.

FargoBison · Post by **FargoBison** » Mon Oct 31, 2011 6:17 pm

BearIt wrote:
ming01 wrote:
not going off of past years performances. all of the 5 i mentioned play in a stronger conference and just because a team has less losses then another doesnt necessarily mean they are better. i rank teams mostly based on who is better not just on records alone. if thats the case then jackson state should be top 5. also the common opponent thing is stupid. there's always flaws in that argument. shsu also beat sfa on a neutral field. uni had to go on the road. uni has also played a tougher schedule imo. it isnt always fair to compare. you cant rank teams based on common opponents. uni has two loses. to an okay bcs team and my #1 ranked team. i still feel they are a top 5 team and better then shsu. shsu is a solid team i just feel theyre the 6th best team imo
Sagrin SOS Ratings in parenthesis on the far right. SHSU has a significanly weaker SOS than any one else in the Top 10. I understand the rational for ranking them higher, but at the same time it is perfectly reasonable to have them ranked lower compared to some of the other teams.

1(50). North Dakota St (171)
2(63). Northern Iowa (142)
3(66). Georgia Southern (154)
4(69). Wofford (129)
5(76). Montana St (168)
6(78). Appalachian St (134)
7(93). Maine (167)
8(95). Sam Houston St (212)
9(96). Montana (157)
10(103). Indiana St (132)

Not much better using Massey(which considers non-DI games).....

FCS Rating-Team-SOS Rating
1. North Dakota St (14)
2. Northern Iowa (3)
3. Georgia Southern (27)
4. Wofford (12)
5. Appalachian St (8)
6. Montana St (38)
7. Sam Houston St (77)
8. Maine (29)
9. Indiana St (4)
10. Montana (19)

Mike Johnson · Post by **Mike Johnson** » Mon Oct 31, 2011 6:51 pm

CatMom wrote:In 2005 we were in this same conference, same teams (ok, no Lamar or UCA) and ended the season 9-2, with an FBS loss and we were ranked 4th going into the playoffs. We didn't even win the conference out-right and had a D2 on our schedule (which SAM does not). It was a shared championship. So that thinking and sagarin just need to be thrown out.

We made the semis and ended up ranked 4th.

...

I'd actually be interested in what our sagarin was that year.

Final Sagarin ratings starting with the highest rated FCS team:

FINAL College Football 2005 thru Wednesday, January 4, 2006 the BCS uses the ELO_CHESS from here
HOME ADVANTAGE= 2.48 RATING W L SCHEDL(RANK) VS top 10 | VS top 30 | ELO_CHESS | PREDICTOR
69 Appalachian State AA = 69.29 12 3 57.27( 124) 0 1 | 0 1 | 72.15 55 | 66.18 79
70 Memphis A = 69.10 7 5 64.94( 94) 0 0 | 0 0 | 69.01 72 | 68.59 70
71 Colorado State A = 68.97 6 6 71.65( 60) 0 0 | 0 2 | 70.44 61 | 67.04 76
72 Central Michigan A = 68.97 6 5 69.01( 75) 0 1 | 0 1 | 69.40 68 | 67.97 73
73 Nevada A = 68.67 9 3 62.14( 112) 0 0 | 0 0 | 72.04 56 | 65.14 87
74 Indiana A = 68.39 4 7 75.80( 25) 0 1 | 0 5 | 70.48 60 | 65.91 80
75 New Mexico A = 68.22 6 5 67.96( 79) 0 0 | 0 1 | 70.14 63 | 65.89 81
76 Air Force A = 67.43 4 7 69.64( 72) 0 0 | 0 1 | 65.32 88 | 69.01 68
77 Bowling Green A = 67.20 6 5 63.83( 103) 0 0 | 0 1 | 65.93 86 | 67.89 74
78 Western Michigan A = 67.09 7 4 63.00( 109) 0 0 | 0 0 | 68.41 74 | 65.27 85
79 Louisiana Tech A = 66.93 7 4 63.64( 104) 0 0 | 0 1 | 69.66 65 | 63.88 94
80 Central Florida(UCF) A = 66.81 8 5 65.96( 89) 0 0 | 0 0 | 69.00 73 | 64.21 92
81 Washington A = 66.37 2 9 76.51( 19) 0 3 | 0 6 | 62.45 98 | 69.98 66
82 Wyoming A = 66.24 4 7 69.39( 74) 0 0 | 0 2 | 65.11 92 | 66.77 78
83 Oklahoma State A = 66.16 4 7 74.69( 37) 0 2 | 1 3 | 70.82 58 | 61.51 106
84 Houston A = 66.00 6 6 65.72( 90) 0 0 | 0 1 | 66.28 81 | 65.15 86
85 UTEP A = 65.90 8 4 59.44( 117) 0 0 | 0 0 | 66.73 79 | 64.53 91
86 Army A = 65.60 4 7 70.35( 69) 0 0 | 0 3 | 65.22 89 | 65.38 83
87 Northern Iowa AA = 65.48 11 4 57.22( 125) 0 0 | 0 1 | 65.45 87 | 64.94 89
88 SMU A = 65.14 5 6 66.91( 83) 0 0 | 1 0 | 66.06 83 | 63.69 96
89 Illinois State AA = 64.95 7 4 52.29( 151) 0 0 | 0 1 | 58.46 108 | 71.70 61
90 Texas State AA = 64.69 11 3 54.54( 137) 0 0 | 0 0 | 61.95 100 | 66.95 77
91 Hawaii A = 64.31 5 7 68.10( 77) 0 1 | 0 2 | 64.35 95 | 63.68 97
92 East Carolina A = 64.19 5 6 67.45( 82) 0 1 | 0 1 | 65.96 85 | 61.93 102
93 UAB A = 64.18 5 6 63.11( 107) 0 0 | 0 0 | 62.95 96 | 64.82 90
94 Akron A = 63.88 7 6 64.56( 99) 0 0 | 0 0 | 65.15 91 | 62.08 101
95 Cincinnati A = 63.15 4 7 72.46( 54) 0 2 | 0 3 | 65.19 90 | 60.64 111
96 Illinois A = 62.79 2 9 78.38( 7) 0 2 | 0 5 | 66.20 82 | 59.04 118
97 Kentucky A = 62.71 3 8 72.03( 56) 0 0 | 0 4 | 64.54 93 | 60.38 113
98 Southern Illinois AA = 62.50 9 4 55.94( 130) 0 0 | 0 0 | 61.80 102 | 62.61 99
99 Youngstown State AA = 62.39 8 3 52.03( 152) 0 0 | 0 0 | 60.32 105 | 63.91 93
100 Furman AA = 62.31 11 3 51.39( 154) 0 0 | 0 0 | 64.41 94 | 59.73 116
101 New Hampshire AA = 62.31 11 2 46.01( 168) 0 0 | 0 0 | 56.69 117 | 67.74 75
102 Mississippi A = 62.24 3 8 70.27( 70) 0 1 | 0 3 | 62.13 99 | 61.75 104
103 Cal Poly-SLO AA = 61.95 9 4 54.08( 141) 0 0 | 0 0 | 58.10 109 | 65.37 84
104 Ball State A = 61.78 4 7 71.86( 57) 0 0 | 0 3 | 66.56 80 | 56.78 122
105 Eastern Michigan A = 61.50 4 7 65.08( 92) 0 0 | 0 1 | 60.87 103 | 61.53 105
106 Marshall A = 61.39 4 7 66.46( 86) 0 1 | 0 1 | 61.86 101 | 60.35 114
107 Mississippi State A = 61.00 3 8 69.54( 73) 0 1 | 0 5 | 60.80 104 | 60.61 112
108 North Dakota State AA = 60.73 7 4 54.00( 143) 0 0 | 0 0 | 55.30 124 | 65.85 82
109 Eastern Washington AA = 59.92 7 5 55.45( 133) 0 0 | 0 0 | 54.52 131 | 64.94 88
110 Ohio U. A = 59.90 4 7 67.85( 81) 0 1 | 0 1 | 62.71 97 | 56.61 125
111 Georgia Southern AA = 59.52 8 4 51.10( 156) 0 0 | 0 0 | 57.71 110 | 60.75 108
112 Nicholls State AA = 59.15 6 4 57.06( 126) 0 0 | 0 0 | 57.04 114 | 60.68 110
113 Middle Tennessee A = 58.96 4 7 61.28( 113) 0 0 | 0 1 | 56.65 118 | 60.70 109
114 Syracuse A = 58.55 1 10 74.00( 42) 0 2 | 0 4 | 54.71 129 | 61.87 103
115 Richmond AA = 58.25 9 4 51.23( 155) 0 0 | 0 0 | 54.59 130 | 61.36 107
116 Montana AA = 58.20 8 4 56.78( 127) 0 0 | 0 1 | 55.50 123 | 60.32 115
117 Massachusetts AA = 58.20 7 4 51.73( 153) 0 0 | 0 0 | 52.28 139 | 63.67 98
118 Montana State AA = 58.19 7 4 54.58( 136) 0 0 | 0 0 | 56.78 115 | 59.01 119
119 Louisiana-Lafayette A = 58.09 6 5 60.57( 114) 0 1 | 0 1 | 59.69 106 | 55.92 128
120 Portland State AA = 57.44 6 5 56.08( 128) 0 0 | 0 0 | 54.74 128 | 59.57 117

JayJ79 · Post by **JayJ79** » Mon Oct 31, 2011 8:22 pm

Darell1976 wrote:
lakesbison wrote:NAIA

I don't get the whole "NAIA" spiel that Lakes is always doing.

to my knowledge, UND was never part of the NAIA

University of North Dakota:
1937-1972 NCAA College Division (Small College)
1973-2010 NCAA Division II
2011-20XX NCAA Division I FCS

However NDSU was NAIA

North Dakota State University:
1937-1951 N/A
1952-1960 NAIA
1956-1972 NCAA College Division (Small College)
1973-2007 NCAA Division II
2008-20XX NCAA Division I FCS

CatMom · Post by **CatMom** » Mon Oct 31, 2011 8:23 pm

Re: Sagarin

Probably because we put a scare into A&M and they beat a bad MWC. And, of course, we aren't in the conference any more to help them out

FargoBison · Post by **FargoBison** » Mon Oct 31, 2011 8:34 pm

JayJ79 wrote:
Darell1976 wrote:

I don't get the whole "NAIA" spiel that Lakes is always doing.

to my knowledge, UND was never part of the NAIA
University of North Dakota:
1937-1972 NCAA College Division (Small College)
1973-2010 NCAA Division II
2011-20XX NCAA Division I FCS

However NDSU was NAIA
North Dakota State University:
1937-1951 N/A
1952-1960 NAIA
1956-1972 NCAA College Division (Small College)
1973-2007 NCAA Division II
2008-20XX NCAA Division I FCS

NDSU and UND were in the same conference from 1922-2004, a conference that has always been in the NCAA.

As for NAIA thing, it probably has something to do with UND losing to an NAIA team a few years ago. At least that is my guess.

Post by **TwinTownBisonFan** » Mon Oct 31, 2011 8:42 pm

FargoBison wrote:
JayJ79 wrote: I don't get the whole "NAIA" spiel that Lakes is always doing.

to my knowledge, UND was never part of the NAIA

However NDSU was NAIA
NDSU and UND were in the same conference from 1922-2004, a conference that has always been in the NCAA.

As for NAIA thing, it probably has something to do with UND losing to an NAIA team a few years ago. At least that is my guess.

yes - it was about their loss to Sioux Falls two years ago.

Gil Dobie · Post by **Gil Dobie** » Tue Nov 01, 2011 4:56 am

JayJ79 wrote:
Darell1976 wrote:

I don't get the whole "NAIA" spiel that Lakes is always doing.

to my knowledge, UND was never part of the NAIA
University of North Dakota:
1937-1972 NCAA College Division (Small College)
1973-2010 NCAA Division II
2011-20XX NCAA Division I FCS

However NDSU was NAIA
North Dakota State University:
1937-1951 N/A
1952-1960 NAIA
1956-1972 NCAA College Division (Small College)
1973-2007 NCAA Division II
2008-20XX NCAA Division I FCS

Not sure where you are getting this info or just making it up.

Hambone · Post by **Hambone** » Tue Nov 01, 2011 6:27 am

JayJ79 wrote:
Darell1976 wrote:

I don't get the whole "NAIA" spiel that Lakes is always doing.

to my knowledge, UND was never part of the NAIA
University of North Dakota:
1937-1972 NCAA College Division (Small College)
1973-2010 NCAA Division II
2011-20XX NCAA Division I FCS

However NDSU was NAIA
North Dakota State University:
1937-1951 N/A
1952-1960 NAIA
1956-1972 NCAA College Division (Small College)
1973-2007 NCAA Division II
2008-20XX NCAA Division I FCS

If this were actually true, it would be like Barney Stinson finding out he's part Canadian on How I Met Your Mother last night. But, it's not, so no such luck.....

Darell1976 · Post by **Darell1976** » Tue Nov 01, 2011 6:56 am

JayJ79 wrote:
Darell1976 wrote:

I don't get the whole "NAIA" spiel that Lakes is always doing.

to my knowledge, UND was never part of the NAIA
University of North Dakota:
1937-1972 NCAA College Division (Small College)
1973-2010 NCAA Division II
2011-20XX NCAA Division I FCS

However NDSU was NAIA
North Dakota State University:
1937-1951 N/A
1952-1960 NAIA
1956-1972 NCAA College Division (Small College)
1973-2007 NCAA Division II
2008-20XX NCAA Division I FCS

Lakes makes fun of UND playing NAIA or DII teams. We play 3 of them this year because 1, we are in transition, and 2 we needed to fill 7 opponents. We play DII Sioux Falls (who beat us in 09 as fomer NAIA champions) on Saturday, but whats funny is that this Sioux Falls team also played McNeese State earlier this year and lost by only 14 points. But Lakes can only make fun of UND and forget all the DII/NAIA teams NDSU or any other team has ever played. Montana State also played a Sioux Falls opponent..NAIA Minot(ND) State.

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