When will PETA just give it a fucking rest

[Grizalltheway]

JSO might be a VEGAN

Maybe, does he wear a life jacket?

[∞∞∞]

Meh...PETA's harmless. I mean let's be serious, has PETA ever actually affected your life in any way whatsoever? Let 'em do their thing and we'll just keep not givin' a shit.

[Skjellyfetti]

Meh...PETA's harmless. I mean let's be serious, has PETA ever actually affected your life in any way whatsoever? Let 'em do their thing and we'll just keep not givin' a shit.

I agree. They're attention whores like Westboro Baptist Church. They feed off saying or doing ridiculous stuff and getting written about / bitched about. Best course of action is ignoring.

Also, good question for an ODU fan....... why are so many lunatics based in Virginia Beach, Virginia? PETA, Pat Robertson etc. Do they have tax breaks for batshit crazy organizations or something?

[∞∞∞]

Also, good question for an ODU fan....... why are so many lunatics based in Virginia Beach, Virginia? PETA, Pat Robertson etc. Do they have tax breaks for batshit crazy organizations or something?

I don't know, but PETA does actually do a lot of good around Norfolk. Yeah their views are certainly out there, but I can't honestly say that I don't see them out in the community actually trying to help animals. Their management might be bat-shit crazy, but most of PETA's volunteers on the streets seem to be normal animal-lovers.

As for PR, I don't know much about him other than the 700 Club and Regent University, and all I know about Regent is that I see billboards around the Hampton Roads area for the school.

[TwinTownBisonFan]

Had a friend who worked for PETA for several years - her explanation?

This reaction by people is EXACTLY what they want. They don't care if people hate PETA - they see it as advancing their cause and promoting their agenda. (yeah, their strategy has been copied by Westboro Baptist)

[Ibanez]

From his silence, I guess he either has given up or has no good excuse for animal abuse. Peta is a crazy organization and they give places like WWF or Farm Sanctuary a bad rap. Regardless of your species, the mistreatment of an animal or human isn't natural and shouldn't be allowed. This is thier Earth just as much as it is ours.

[death dealer]

From his silence, I guess he either has given up or has no good excuse for animal abuse. Peta is a crazy organization and they give places like WWF or Farm Sanctuary a bad rap. Regardless of your species, the mistreatment of an animal or human isn't natural and shouldn't be allowed. This is thier Earth just as much as it is ours.

Wrong!!! All other life on earth exists for us to utilize. We are the apex predator and beneficiary of the head place at the table. Now, as such we have certain custodial responsibilities, not to mention that common decency dictates that we treat lesser creatures with a certain level of respect. But when push comes to shove, if I want to fuck up some critters life and make it the centerpiece of my evening repast, or simply have a fun evening of sport hunting it's ass, well that's just how it is. And if I want to force feed it in order to fatten up it's tasty little liver so that I can sauté it up and have it served to me with a nice sauterne, well some fucking do gooder animal loving asshole telling me otherwise is just ridiculous.

And by the way, all you fucking dog people? leave your fucking dog or cat or whatever at home. The rest of us don't want to have to worry about stepping on there crap or listen to your dumb asses talking to them like they are humans. Guess what? They don't know what the fuck you are saying!

[death dealer]

Actually, there is lots of evidence that there is some level of understanding among some animals, so what I said is not entirely true. But we still get to eat them when they are tasty, work them when they are useful, and pretty much get to do with them as we please to a certain extent.

And I still don't like these dog people who think they need to bring their freaking dog everywhere they go as if it's some kind of human or something. it's sort of a "pet" peeve of mine.

[Pwns]

I wish PETA had sent some topless protesters to Sea World while I was down there this past summer.

[death dealer]

PETA. what a bunch fucking maroons.

I probably shouldn't post when I've been drinking. I'm told I'm a mean drunk. That's why I prefer the herb.

[death dealer]

Still, fucking dog people! I just wanna throttle those little shits!

Don't get me wrong, I like dogs. I've owned several damn fine hunting dogs myself. And I will say, any nutter that'll beat a dog is a sorry sacka shit and probably not much of a man, but these butt sniffer dog fanciers piss me off just as much.

[Vidav]

Still, fucking dog people! I just wanna throttle those little shits!

Don't get me wrong, I like dogs. I've owned several damn fine hunting dogs myself. And I will say, any nutter that'll beat a dog is a sorry sacka shit and probably not much of a man, but these butt sniffer dog fanciers piss me off just as much.

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[JohnStOnge]

And I will say, any nutter that'll beat a dog is a sorry sacka **** and probably not much of a man,

My grandfather on my mother's side trained bird dogs. He'd train them to do what they're supposed to do. Find birds, point, retrieve. Also just retrievers to go duck hunting. People would come from all over to have him train their dogs because they were so well trained when he was done with them.

But he was not politically correct. I don't know if anybody who brought him dogs to train saw how he trained them but I did. It was definitely not through being nice. He was brutal. He beat. He used choke collars. Basically, he let them "know" that if they didn't do what they were supposed to do they were going to feel pain. I used to think about that when I'd hear people say that dogs are better trained when one uses positive reward techniques. I always thought those people never saw one of the dogs my grandfather trained hunt.

Another thing he'd do: If we went over there and one of his dogs snapped at or bit one of us kids, it was over. He'd take it right out and shoot it. On the other hand, one of his dogs once saved my sister's life. She was trying to play with some piglets and momma pig came after her. Dog attacked the pig. Saved her. I guess I don't know it'd have killed her. But I think the odds were overwhelming.

Anyway, the guy was a subsistence farmer. I can remember being in my prime...maybe early 30s...and he was packing bales of hay into his barn; stcking them up. He's like 80 years old. I decided to help him. It wore me out. I was like sweathing and exhausted and totally worn out and that 80 some odd year old man was just chugging along like a little machine. Looked like he was stacking envelopes. I'll never forget how amazed I was at how easily he did that once I got a taste of how hard it was.

Anyway. He was a real man. Not nice to animals. He was used to walking out in the yard, grabbing a chicken, slinging it around to twist and make its head come off, cleaning it, and throwing it in the pot. Definitely an "animals are property" type of guy. You could tell there was not one ounce of "give a sh*t" about how animals "felt" in him. He probably had more concern about how his tractor "felt" than he did about how any animal did. But to say that dirt farmer wasn't a real man would be insane. Hard as nails. Tough. Survivor.

[death dealer]

He was your grandfather so I'm not gonna comment on him. I will say that it takes more than being tough as nails to qualify as a man where I'm from. A real man could be as hard as blue steel and still be gentle and kind when it called for it. He would never be cruel or violent for the sake of it, but realized that life is hard and pain and suffering could at times be the best teacher. As far as ringing a chickens neck? That's about the best way there is to kill a chicken quickly and painlessly, so that has nothing to do with animal cruelty. Done a bunch times myself.

As to training dogs, sometimes a good swat across the nose is as good a training tool as a reward. A dog needs to know you are the alpha male or won't ever do a damn thing you say. Sometimes that requires you to behave in a way that someone who doesn't know shit from shinola about dogs would see as cruel. Ever watch a pack of wolves establish their hierarchy? And some dogs are harder to break than others.

But shooting a dog because he bit some brat that was fucking with him? Well thats just crazy talk. Some of the best hunting dogs I've ever had were horrible pets. And most of the time those little nips or bites a dog will give a kid are just the dog making sure that pup knows it's place in the pack. Trust me, if any of my dogs were intending to hurt a kid, they could kill it way before I could stop them. A little nip here or there is just a dog being a dog and most of the time the kids fault. I sure as he'll ain't shooting a perfectly good dog over that!

Having said that, one of the best birders I ever had was a German shorthair named Lucy. She could find birds, would hold point til she passed out, and retrieved to hand as soft and pretty as you please. But she was just a big old lap dog, and my kids would climb all over her, and she loved it. So there are always exceptions. Her brother, Barley, was a solid liver, a beautiful damn dog, and didnt want a fucking thing to do with any human that didnt have a shotgun in his hand. I swear that dog would rather hunt than eat or fuck. He was a special piece of dog flesh.

[JohnStOnge]

I would not say that being kind to animals means one is NOT a real man. But I also say that having the mindset that animals are property does not preclude one from being a "real man" either. I hate to sound like a "progressive," but this thing about acting like animals are sentient beings with rights is a cultural artifact. The culture my grandather grew up in wasn't like that. To him, animals were food and work animals. They were, as I said, no more "beings" than his tractor was. And that, I think, was consistent with the way people generally were at the time. Back then, I think most people would have said that it was none of government's damn business if someone wanted to be mean to their own dog or whatever else. Like putting a bunch of puppies into a sack with some bricks in it and throwing it into a creek. People did that and other people didn't think they were criminals for doing it. A politician that said he would arrest someone for doing that to puppies their own dog had would've been run out of town for suggesting that government stick it's nose where it didn't belong.

And I think that's the way things ought to be now. I think the culture has degraded in this area rather than advanced. It's being ridiculous. Government should leave poeple alone unless and until they directly and defintely damage the interests of other people. And the key is other "people." If a guy is mean to his dog that doesn't affect any other human being and it's none of any other human being's business. Or at least it SHIOULDN'T be.

[houndawg]

My old coon hound just passed away this spring. He did everything better than any of your mutts.

[death dealer]

I would not say that being kind to animals means one is NOT a real man. But I also say that having the mindset that animals are property does not preclude one from being a "real man" either. I hate to sound like a "progressive," but this thing about acting like animals are sentient beings with rights is a cultural artifact. The culture my grandather grew up in wasn't like that. To him, animals were food and work animals. They were, as I said, no more "beings" than his tractor was. And that, I think, was consistent with the way people generally were at the time. Back then, I think most people would have said that it was none of government's damn business if someone wanted to be mean to their own dog or whatever else. Like putting a bunch of puppies into a sack with some bricks in it and throwing it into a creek. People did that and other people didn't think they were criminals for doing it. A politician that said he would arrest someone for doing that to puppies their own dog had would've been run out of town for suggesting that government stick it's nose where it didn't belong.

And I think that's the way things ought to be now. I think the culture has degraded in this area rather than advanced. It's being ridiculous. Government should leave poeple alone unless and until they directly and defintely damage the interests of other people. And the key is other "people." If a guy is mean to his dog that doesn't affect any other human being and it's none of any other human being's business. Or at least it SHIOULDN'T be.

I know you are not stupid so I'll assume you are ignoring my post. I agree with you that there is nothing wrong with viewing animals as property. And I don't know where you can gather from anything I wrote that I advocated the govt. getting involved. I disagree with you on the point of whether a person is unnecessarily cruel to another creature has any influence on others. I come from a part of the country where people still handle stuff on a more personal level rather than through indirect means. You know just about everybody and deal with them more directly. I wouldn't trust a guy whose known for being a mean S.O.B. to his animals. It's an indication of a basic lack of character. In other words the conversation would go something like this. "Hey, you ever use Joe Smith for any work?" "Nah, he's a mean sumbitch. Seen him beating his dog downtown last week for no reason." "Hmm, OK then." Just says volumes about a man how he treats the things he's responsible for.

[death dealer]

My old coon hound just passed away this spring. He did everything better than any of your mutts.

Always wanted a coondog, just never had much use for one. I don't coon hunt.

I like shorthairs because they can retrieve ducks in the morning, hunt quail in the afternoon, and run hogs in the evening. It's a versatile breed. Of course, they wouldn't be much of a duck dog up north where it gets a lot colder. I've never had a wirehair, but I imagine they'd be a good cold climate alternative. I hear they're a little grumpier than shortys. I have a friend who breeds pointing labs. My brother owns two of them and he loves them, but I just don't like labs. By the time they're five they've chewed you out of house and home, and the fucking digging drives me crazy. You can break em of both, but that's too much work. It's hard enough to find time to train em to hunt!

[HI54UNI]

And I still don't like these dog people who think they need to bring their freaking dog everywhere they go as if it's some kind of human or something. it's sort of a "pet" peeve of mine.

This +1 Million.

[Ibanez]

DD, I am with you in that I hate people that brin their pets everywhere. I was tailgating the Citadel VMI game and my buddy brought his dog. He's a good dog but gets in the way. I mean fuck,leave him at home


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[JohnStOnge]

I disagree with you on the point of whether a person is unnecessarily cruel to another creature has any influence on others. I come from a part of the country where people still handle stuff on a more personal level rather than through indirect means. You know just about everybody and deal with them more directly. I wouldn't trust a guy whose known for being a mean S.O.B. to his animals. It's an indication of a basic lack of character. In other words the conversation would go something like this. "Hey, you ever use Joe Smith for any work?" "Nah, he's a mean sumbitch. Seen him beating his dog downtown last week for no reason." "Hmm, OK then." Just says volumes about a man how he treats the things he's responsible for.

Well, I suppose you could say that you're affected by how someone behaves because it affects your perception of that person. But that's you. That's fine. Sombody having a tattoo can affect how people perceive them. OR if somebody dresses poorly. It doesn't mean it should be illegal for people to get tattoos or that people shouldn't be able to dress like they want.

When I say affect somebody else I mean do something to them. Like if I take out a baseball bat and whack your foot that hurts. Probably anyway. Or if I throw my garbage over the fence into your yard.

If someone is mean to their own animals and you know about it that may affect your perception of them. You should be free not to like them and not to deal with them. But it's not an attack upon you or your interests. It shouldn't be illegal. They should not be accountable to other people or criminally liable for what they do with and/or to their own animals.

[death dealer]

Well, I suppose you could say that you're affected by how someone behaves because it affects your perception of that person. But that's you. That's fine. Sombody having a tattoo can affect how people perceive them. OR if somebody dresses poorly. It doesn't mean it should be illegal for people to get tattoos or that people shouldn't be able to dress like they want.

When I say affect somebody else I mean do something to them. Like if I take out a baseball bat and whack your foot that hurts. Probably anyway. Or if I throw my garbage over the fence into your yard.

If someone is mean to their own animals and you know about it that may affect your perception of them. You should be free not to like them and not to deal with them. But it's not an attack upon you or your interests. It shouldn't be illegal. They should not be accountable to other people or criminally liable for what they do with and/or to their own animals.

I understand what you are saying. That is not my point and you know that. You are intentionally narrowing the scope of your argument to make it about smaller govt and less intrusion.

Just because something isn't illegal does not make it alright. There are plenty of things that are not illegal that are immoral and at the end of the day, what most reasonable people would consider more reprehensible behavior than many of the "illegal" activities on the books. Now, there are some people that would argue that laws against these behaviors and the subsequent enforcement of said laws by the govt should be part of what they get in return for paying taxes. These are the same type people that want the govt to help the poor, fix the environment, etc, etc. They don't like these things and want the problem fixed, they don't really want to be bothered personally with it, and they figure their paying taxes, so let the govt take care of it.

There are some behaviors that are good indicators of how a person views the world around them, and whether that person is someone I'd turn my back on in a dark alley. How a man treats other lesser creatures around him, whether they be human or not, is ine of those traits.

[Ibanez]

I disagree with you on the point of whether a person is unnecessarily cruel to another creature has any influence on others. I come from a part of the country where people still handle stuff on a more personal level rather than through indirect means. You know just about everybody and deal with them more directly. I wouldn't trust a guy whose known for being a mean S.O.B. to his animals. It's an indication of a basic lack of character. In other words the conversation would go something like this. "Hey, you ever use Joe Smith for any work?" "Nah, he's a mean sumbitch. Seen him beating his dog downtown last week for no reason." "Hmm, OK then." Just says volumes about a man how he treats the things he's responsible for.

Well, I suppose you could say that you're affected by how someone behaves because it affects your perception of that person. But that's you. That's fine. Sombody having a tattoo can affect how people perceive them. OR if somebody dresses poorly. It doesn't mean it should be illegal for people to get tattoos or that people shouldn't be able to dress like they want.

When I say affect somebody else I mean do something to them. Like if I take out a baseball bat and whack your foot that hurts. Probably anyway. Or if I throw my garbage over the fence into your yard.

If someone is mean to their own animals and you know about it that may affect your perception of them. You should be free not to like them and not to deal with them. But it's not an attack upon you or your interests. It shouldn't be illegal. They should not be accountable to other people or criminally liable for what they do with and/or to their own animals.

is this Bill Clinton defense, what does is mean?


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[Ibanez]

I would not say that being kind to animals means one is NOT a real man. But I also say that having the mindset that animals are property does not preclude one from being a "real man" either. I hate to sound like a "progressive," but this thing about acting like animals are sentient beings with rights is a cultural artifact. The culture my grandather grew up in wasn't like that. To him, animals were food and work animals. They were, as I said, no more "beings" than his tractor was. And that, I think, was consistent with the way people generally were at the time. Back then, I think most people would have said that it was none of government's damn business if someone wanted to be mean to their own dog or whatever else. Like putting a bunch of puppies into a sack with some bricks in it and throwing it into a creek. People did that and other people didn't think they were criminals for doing it. A politician that said he would arrest someone for doing that to puppies their own dog had would've been run out of town for suggesting that government stick it's nose where it didn't belong.

And I think that's the way things ought to be now. I think the culture has degraded in this area rather than advanced. It's being ridiculous. Government should leave poeple alone unless and until they directly and defintely damage the interests of other people. And the key is other "people." If a guy is mean to his dog that doesn't affect any other human being and it's none of any other human being's business. Or at least it SHIOULDN'T be.

What's with this "real man" talk? I would say, if you create that enviroment of violence, you can't keep it contained forever. Eventually, someone is going to come in contact with the animal you abuse and that person, say your granddaughter, is going to be on the recieving end of a maladjusted animal. So, how you treat your dog could become someone elses business.

[Vidav]

I had no idea that JSO was Maddox.

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