Herman Cain

[AZGrizFan]

Just because he is a R doesn't mean he is conservative......

Maybe not in the true sense of the word, but he's a conservative to about 60% of the American people.

[DSUrocks07]

You really think some black folks would not for Cain? Hell and I get bad names........

that is stereotypical at its finest. I am certain this time around A LOT of blacks would vote GOP if Cain was the nominee. Just a feeling. Obama hasn't improved their overall lot last time I looked.

What do you mean? You know that having that "R" next to his name automatically means he's a sellout. Just like I'm a sellout for supporting him.

[DSUrocks07]

The Wall Street Journal took issue with the national sales tax prong of "9-9-9," analogizing it to the European VAT. The sense of the editorial was that the other two rates would tend to inch up over time in conjunction with the sales tax rate, which is also regressive. But the paper is by no means hostile to Cain's candidacy.

Yup. The 9-9-9 plan looks terrible ... except by comparison with our current tax code monstrosity.

Looks pretty good to me

[93henfan]

OMG
Obama must go

Did you see that somewhere or did you make it up yourself? That's actually genius, and if you trademarked it now and started making those little oval stickers with it, you'd probably be wealthy by the end of next year. I disagree with just about everything you've ever posted here, but if you want to go partners on this, I'm in!

Edit: Disregard. I see it's already been done.

[AZGrizFan]

You really think some black folks would not for Cain? Hell and I get bad names........

that is stereotypical at its finest. I am certain this time around A LOT of blacks would vote GOP if Cain was the nominee. Just a feeling. Obama hasn't improved their overall lot last time I looked.

What do you mean? You know that having that "R" next to his name automatically means he's a sellout. Just like I'm a sellout for supporting him.

Wait. Wait.


Just a cotton pickin' minute here.....I thought you were only INTERNET black?

[DSUrocks07]

Yup. The 9-9-9 plan looks terrible ... except by comparison with our current tax code monstrosity.

Looks pretty good to me

Cain also has a "Five Dollar Fridays" campaign donation promotion going on as well...

[DSUrocks07]

What do you mean? You know that having that "R" next to his name automatically means he's a sellout. Just like I'm a sellout for supporting him.

Wait. Wait.


Just a cotton pickin' minute here.....I thought you were only INTERNET black?

*"damn they on to me"*

[AZGrizFan]

Wait. Wait.


Just a cotton pickin' minute here.....I thought you were only INTERNET black?

*"damn they on to me"*

And equally frightening is that THAT was your 666'th post.

[DSUrocks07]

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/20 ... /?on.cnn=1

(CNN) - Three years after the nation elected its first African-American president, the Republican Party could make its own history - given his rising poll numbers and raised awareness among voters and in the press, Herman Cain is the first African-American to have a real shot at becoming the Republican presidential nominee.

So why isn't Cain's ethnicity as much a part of his story as it was with Obama?

For one, many conservatives decry the focus on a candidate's race as an obsession for liberals.

"I think that his supporters are more focused on who he is and his principles," Luke Livingston told CNN. Livingston is the executive producer of the 2009 documentary, "The Tea Party Movie."

"Regardless of your race, whether you're Hispanic, black, white, Jew, Gentile whatever – you get up on that platform and you talk about the principles of our founding fathers and people look past race," Livingston added.

"Now the Left is going to put that out front."

There's a second reason that some conservatives, particularly tea partiers, largely ignore Cain's race: it drives a stake through claims that the movement harbors racists.

Last summer, the nation's oldest civil rights group – the NAACP – lashed spectacular claims that the tea party was not doing enough to dispel racism. Amid vehement denials from the tea party, that notion has taken hold with some of the movement's critics.

Meanwhile, Cain has long been a tea party favorite. A former radio talk show host, Cain has been a sought-after speaker at many rallies, is frequently praised by tea party members, and even won the Tea Party Patriots' presidential straw poll at their first summit in Phoenix, Arizona, in February.

Cain won nearly 22 percent of the nearly 1,600 votes cast at the summit. Texas Rep. Ron Paul won nearly half the votes cast by more than 2,300 online registered attendees.

"The mood at this summit shows that Tea Party activists are looking for leaders who share our principles of fiscal responsibility and limited government and who will vow to uphold policies that reflect those principles once in office," Jenny Beth Martin, national coordinator of Tea Party Patriots, said at the time.

Livingston said he thinks "people are encouraged that there are black conservatives, because the tea party has been labeled as racist ….But I don't think [tea partiers] are making it a big deal."

Martin echoed a similar sentiment. Her group is the nation's largest in the tea party movement.

"I think that having an African-American with so much tea party support does show that, yeah – it's another example that the tea party movement is not racist," Martin said. "[It shows] that we're looking at the issues and we're not looking at skin color."

Time magazine's Michael Crowley told CNN's "John King, USA" that while Cain's skin color isn't central to his candidacy, it does have its appeal.

It's something that conservatives really like about him," Crowley said. "To have someone like Herman Cain come out to kind of fight back and to have a black man saying this is exaggerated, it's overstated, the Republican Party is not racist and a different set of possibilities for what you could have from a black candidate I think really does energize a lot of white conservatives."

Cain's race hasn't totally been ignored, though.

Recently, in an interview with MSNBC, host Lawrence O'Donnell pressed Cain: Why didn't he participate in the civil rights movement?

Cain answered: "I was a high school student. The college students were doing the sit-ins. The college students were doing the freedom rides. If I had been a college student I probably would have been participating."

During a recent interview with CNN Chief Political Correspondent Candy Crowley – host of CNN's "State of the Union" – Cain said that African-Americans "weren't held back because of racism."

"People sometimes hold themselves back because they want to use racism as an excuse for them not being able to achieve what they want to achieve," Cain added.

Cain told CNN's Wolf Blitzer that blacks had been "brainwashed" into not considering a conservative point of view.

And in a radio interview with conservative host Neal Boortz, Cain said the attention on his being a black conservative are "racist," in and of itself.

"A lot of these liberal, leftist folk in this country, that are black, they're more racist than the white people that they're claiming to be racist," the candidate said.

"How dare Herman Cain, first, run as a Republican? How dare Herman Cain be conservative? And how dare he move up in the polls, so that he just might challenge our beloved Obama? That's the problem they have."

Then Cain essentially waded into the "who's more black" controversy – him or Obama.

"He's never been part of the black experience in America," Cain said. "I can talk about that. I can talk about what it really meant to be 'po' before I was poor."

Conservative radio hosts took that a step further.

"Herman Cain, if he became president, he would be the first black president,"Laura Ingraham said last week on her show. "Does he have a white mother, white father, grandparents? No, right?"

"Herman Cain could be our first authentically black president," fellow conservative radio host Rush Limbaugh also said recently. Limbaugh theorized that, in 2008, some liberals challenged Obama's ethnic authenticity given that his mother was white and his father was not African-American, but an African from Kenya.

These barbs from frequent Obama flame-throwers are surely meant as an intentional diss. By any reasonable measure, the president holds the title of being the first African-American to occupy the White House.

But what is also true is that Cain's candidacy in the Republican presidential race also carries a historic imprint.

[GSUhooligan]

Cain is great, until you realize that he is an economic dimwit, a war mongerer and a theocrat. The American people are so starved for a man with a plan that is easy to understand, that they'll jump over themselves to support one, even if the plan is god-awful and a tax increase on the majority of Americans.

[free7694]

Cain is great, until you realize that he is an economic dimwit, a war mongerer and a theocrat. The American people are so starved for a man with a plan that is easy to understand, that they'll jump over themselves to support one, even if the plan is god-awful and a tax increase on the majority of Americans.

For me, it's enough that Cain is the only candidate pushing for wholesale tax reform. We can work out the details later.

[native]

Cain will have to overcome the "Uncle Tom" stigma that goes with every successful mainstream black man in the eyes of the black community. Just like Alan Keyes...but we all know that Alan Keyes was/is insane

Cain is more articulate and media savvy than Keyes, and more photogenic.

[native]

Larry Kudlow presents an excellent analysis of Cain and his tax plan on rassmussen Reports:

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_ ... ode_killer" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

"...Cain’s 9-9-9 plan is not perfect. But then again, the good should never the enemy of the perfect.

Congressman Paul Ryan gives the plan a thumbs-up. Supply-side mentor Art Laffer tells me it would be “far, far better than the current system.” And Chris Chocola, president of the free-market Club for Growth, calls it “a truly revolutionary tax reform that would amount to a massive job-creating tax cut on investments, savings, and income.”
..."

Nails it!

[kalm]

Larry Kudlow presents an excellent analysis of Cain and his tax plan on rassmussen Reports:

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_ ... ode_killer" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

"...Cain’s 9-9-9 plan is not perfect. But then again, the good should never the enemy of the perfect.

Congressman Paul Ryan gives the plan a thumbs-up. Supply-side mentor Art Laffer tells me it would be “far, far better than the current system.” And Chris Chocola, president of the free-market Club for Growth, calls it “a truly revolutionary tax reform that would amount to a massive job-creating tax cut on investments, savings, and income.”
..."

Nails it!

Ryan, Laffer, and the club for growth like it? Shocker!

So a 9% fed sales tax on top of the 8.7% sales tax already placed on my products by the state of Washington is going to help out sales how? Oh yeah, that's right, because corporations and the investor class will have greater disposable income.

[mrklean]

Hermain cain 2012.....yeah Right!!! The GOP will NEVER do this!!!!!! I feel hes the GOP's best chance to beat Obama.

[GSUhooligan]

Cain is great, until you realize that he is an economic dimwit, a war mongerer and a theocrat. The American people are so starved for a man with a plan that is easy to understand, that they'll jump over themselves to support one, even if the plan is god-awful and a tax increase on the majority of Americans.

For me, it's enough that Cain is the only candidate pushing for wholesale tax reform. We can work out the details later.

You either a) haven't looked at every candidate's tax platform, or b) have a very different interpretation of the phrase "wholesale tax reform" than I do.

Taken from Ron Paul's campaign site
"As President, Ron Paul will support a Liberty Amendment to the Constitution to abolish the income and death taxes. And he will be proud to be the one who finally turns off the lights at the IRS for good." How's that for wholesale reform?

[DSUrocks07]

For me, it's enough that Cain is the only candidate pushing for wholesale tax reform. We can work out the details later.

You either a) haven't looked at every candidate's tax platform, or b) have a very different interpretation of the phrase "wholesale tax reform" than I do.

Taken from Ron Paul's campaign site
"As President, Ron Paul will support a Liberty Amendment to the Constitution to abolish the income and death taxes. And he will be proud to be the one who finally turns off the lights at the IRS for good." How's that for wholesale reform?

How would the government pay for things with no income tax revenue?

[dbackjon]

Cain will have to overcome the "Uncle Tom" stigma that goes with every successful mainstream black man in the eyes of the black community. Just like Alan Keyes...but we all know that Alan Keyes was/is insane

Cain is more articulate and media savvy than Keyes, and more photogenic.

And is normal, not bat-shit crazy like Keyes is.

[GSUhooligan]

You either a) haven't looked at every candidate's tax platform, or b) have a very different interpretation of the phrase "wholesale tax reform" than I do.

Taken from Ron Paul's campaign site
"As President, Ron Paul will support a Liberty Amendment to the Constitution to abolish the income and death taxes. And he will be proud to be the one who finally turns off the lights at the IRS for good." How's that for wholesale reform?

How would the government pay for things with no income tax revenue?

The main point of Paul's candidacy is to limit what the government spends money on. If he had his way, it would be a lot easier to find the money to pay for things, because the role of government would be confined to the parameters that our founding fathers intended. For those things, there could be a consumption based tax or something similar, but you would have to repeal the 16th amendment to make sure the feds only have one honey pot to pull from. The problem with 9-9-9 is when Cain is either term limited or voted out in 4 years, the government now has a brand new revenue stream that it can start pulling from and raising taxes on.

[BDKJMU]

Larry Kudlow presents an excellent analysis of Cain and his tax plan on rassmussen Reports:

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_ ... ode_killer" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

"...Cain’s 9-9-9 plan is not perfect. But then again, the good should never the enemy of the perfect.

Congressman Paul Ryan gives the plan a thumbs-up. Supply-side mentor Art Laffer tells me it would be “far, far better than the current system.” And Chris Chocola, president of the free-market Club for Growth, calls it “a truly revolutionary tax reform that would amount to a massive job-creating tax cut on investments, savings, and income.”
..."

Nails it!

Ryan, Laffer, and the club for growth like it? Shocker!

So a 9% fed sales tax on top of the 8.7% sales tax already placed on my products by the state of Washington is going to help out sales how? Oh yeah, that's right, because corporations and the investor class will have greater disposable income.

Just looking at fed taxes (to say nothing of state) Well, if corportations are paying 35% fed right now (which they just pass on to their consumers in higher prices) and that is dropped to 9%, then you add on 9% sales tax, seems pretty good to me.

9% +9% is a lot less than 35%.

[kalm]

Ryan, Laffer, and the club for growth like it? Shocker!

So a 9% fed sales tax on top of the 8.7% sales tax already placed on my products by the state of Washington is going to help out sales how? Oh yeah, that's right, because corporations and the investor class will have greater disposable income.

Just looking at fed taxes (to say nothing of state) Well, if corportations are paying 35% fed right now (which they just pass on to their consumers in higher prices) and that is dropped to 9%, then you add on 9% sales tax, seems pretty good to me.

9% +9% is a lot less than 35%.

Corporations don't effectively pay 35%. Still doesn't help me. Conks, still terrible at basic math.

[AZGrizFan]

Just looking at fed taxes (to say nothing of state) Well, if corportations are paying 35% fed right now (which they just pass on to their consumers in higher prices) and that is dropped to 9%, then you add on 9% sales tax, seems pretty good to me.

9% +9% is a lot less than 35%.

Corporations don't effectively pay 35%. Still doesn't help me. Conks, still terrible at basic math.

Doesn't matter. If my federal tax rate drops from 33% to 9%, and then I ONLY pay taxes on things I buy, I'm WAY better off than under the current system. Even when that 9% is added to the local 9% tax I already pay on things.

[kalm]

Corporations don't effectively pay 35%. Still doesn't help me. Conks, still terrible at basic math.

Doesn't matter. If my federal tax rate drops from 33% to 9%, and then I ONLY pay taxes on things I buy, I'm WAY better off than under the current system. Even when that 9% is added to the local 9% tax I already pay on things.

Sure, but your income bracket already buys what it needs anyway and represents a small percentage of consumer spending compared with the middle class. Sorry Z, but you can't but enough Bud Light and ebony porn to get us out of the recession.

[DSUrocks07]

Doesn't matter. If my federal tax rate drops from 33% to 9%, and then I ONLY pay taxes on things I buy, I'm WAY better off than under the current system. Even when that 9% is added to the local 9% tax I already pay on things.

Sure, but your income bracket already buys what it needs anyway and represents a small percentage of consumer spending compared with the middle class. Sorry Z, but you can't but enough Bud Light and ebony porn to get us out of the recession.

What kind of tax plan would you like to see?

[AZGrizFan]

Doesn't matter. If my federal tax rate drops from 33% to 9%, and then I ONLY pay taxes on things I buy, I'm WAY better off than under the current system. Even when that 9% is added to the local 9% tax I already pay on things.

Sure, but your income bracket already buys what it needs anyway and represents a small percentage of consumer spending compared with the middle class. Sorry Z, but you can't but enough Bud Light and ebony porn to get us out of the recession.

Wow. Home run, clammy. I have just one question....

If my income bracket doesn't spend enough to BUY us out of a recession then why, pray tell, do you think my income bracket could be taxed enough to TAX us out of a recession?