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The Secret to Living Well on $20,000 per year

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See donks, it IS possible to have a full life on $20,000/year. This guy does it:
We tracked down Joseph Fonseca, a writer currently living in Seattle who supports himself on $20,000 a year. Fonseca, 28, authored a first-person piece in the Washington Post over the weekend describing his “10 cities, 10 years” project, in which he moves every year and starts over in a new town. An aspiring novelist, he plans to eventually write a book about his quest. We spoke with him by phone to get more details about just how he makes ends meet. Excerpts:

Do you avoid a lot of the expenses that many of your peers spend money on, such as technology and meals out?

For the most part, yes. I have a lower-end Android phone because I needed a new phone. I went as cheap as possible. I don’t own a car, I rely on public transportation, and sometimes biking. I have a laptop, because I need it for writing. I do have Internet access because it’s pretty important to get online. My only extra bill is Netflix, and I’m considering getting rid of that. I don’t go out to eat, or just for special occasions. I cook for every meal. I don’t drink coffee. I try to stick with water. I do go out to bars, but not every night. That’s my best way to meet people and experience cities.

What’s your typical meal?

I usually buy a pound of beef and a package of chicken and make easy Mexican dishes. I get some vegetables and mix it all together and throw it on a tortilla. I do a lot of pasta dishes. When I’m working, I usually pack a lunch, I make a sandwich plus chips or cookies to get me through the day. Then I get home and cook a fuller meal. I try to have a good mix [of food] so I don’t get sick. My brother taught me little tricks to take different ingredients around the house, like seasonings, to make a sauce that’s different and more unique, to give yourself different tastes.

What about clothes?

Once or twice a year, I might get a few new things, like an extra pair of jeans or pants, or a couple shirts, but I still have shirts I wore to college, so they’re six or seven years old or older. If a job requires certain clothes, then I’ll buy clothes for that. I maybe get one new pair of shoes a year and make them last as long as possible. I mostly shop at cheaper places, like thrift stores or Salvation Army or Goodwill. Those are good places to hit up.

What about going on dates?

I was in a relationship for a couple years, and we’d go to movies or bars. I like to go to movies, so I try to find cheaper movie places. We’d go to parks and take books or play a board game out there. We’d go to free art exhibits or save up and make a night of it. When I lived in Nashville, I’d get free passes to art museums where I worked, so I’d use that.

Do you indulge in any luxuries?

I splurge on things with friends, like going out to bars. To me, the most important thing is to have fun with friends. I’d rather spend $30 or $40 to go out with friends and have those memories that buy a bunch of CDs or random things. What’s the hardest thing to do without? There are days that I wished I had a car. Sometimes public transportation isn’t great. But for me, the benefits of not having a car outweigh that [feeling].

Do you have health insurance?

I don’t. I had one job that offered it, so I had it for a little and went to the doctor and got a clean bill of health. I do have the thought, if I get sick or hurt, I can’t afford to go to the doctor. Luckily, I rarely get sick. If I start to get sick, I try to eat a little healthier. I’ve been hurt a few times, but just made do.

Do you have any savings for emergencies?

My savings all go toward the move each year, so long-term, I don’t have any savings. I also don’t have any debt. I try to save $3,000 for each move, and that gives me a little security to settle in and put down deposits.

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Do you anticipate or look forward to having a higher salary one day?

Not necessarily. I hope to make my career as a writer. My goal has always been to do that. I’ve never been someone that wanted to be settled into a career. I may or may not have a family some day. I don’t see myself as someone that will own a house and have property. I basically just want to be someone who at some point can say, “I’m a writer full-time.” Hopefully it would pay more than $20,000 a year, but I could live a satisfactory life on $50,000 a year and be a writer and do other things if I had to. To me, life experience, traveling, and meeting people is so much more valuable than having a nest egg.

If I had children, I would want to make enough money to support them. But as long as I’m unattached, I’m just concerned about my life. I don’t imagine I’ll ever be a well-off business person. As long as I have enough money to be happy in my own life and satisfied with my goals and not relying on others, then I’ll be happy.

What about retirement—do you plan on ever saving enough to retire?

I don’t think about it too much. To retire requires having a career to retire from. My ambition is to be a writer, and I’d love to be writing into my old age, to be like Vonnegut and write until the day I die.

Do you have any advice to others trying to live on $20,000 a year?

You can get rid of so much stuff and you’ll realize how little you’re really missing. It’s about prioritizing what you really need in life. It’s hard to save and stick to a strict budget if you don’t have a reason, or if you’re just vaguely saving. You should have a goal you’re working toward, a career goal or an artistic goal.
And yes, while this guy does NOT have health insurance, he DOES save $3,000 every year to prepare for his move to the next city so he COULD have health insurance but chooses not to.

In reality, about the only thing he's given up is a car, but living in large metropolitan areas there are millions and millions of very well-off people who choose not to own cars either, because of the hassle/cost/inconvenience of using them.
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Very good read Z. So much of what the average person today would think this guy goes without didn't even exist 30 years ago. I genuinely think I could live like this and be just as happy. My wife and kids are a different story though. I blame it all on the chicks. :coffee:

(typing this from my air conditioned home in the suburbs on a MacBook Pro with wireless internet after eating a tasty T-bone and slurping down a few glasses of wine) :mrgreen:
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kalm wrote:Very good read Z. So much of what the average person today would think this guy goes without didn't even exist 30 years ago. I genuinely think I could live like this and be just as happy. My wife and kids are a different story though. I blame it all on the chicks. :coffee:

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Agreed. But he HAS a laptop. He HAS internet. He may not have t-bones every night, but I could be very happy living like this. A LOT less stress in my life, that's for sure. :nod: :nod: :nod:
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Reminds me of how I lived while in college. Granted, I had a car but I only as much stuff as i could fit into (or on top of) my car. I miss those days. Everyday I come home and see all the shit laying around my place. It quickly prompts me to yell at my wife while sitting on the couch in a wife beater sipping on a 40. :x
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AZGrizFan wrote:I could be very happy living like this. A LOT less stress in my life, that's for sure. :nod: :nod: :nod:
That's because he doesn't have kids. Throw a kid into the mix and this whole story changes. Also why I want to go ahead and get snipped. :lol:

The guy is living close to the poverty line for a family of four. I wonder how he'd do at the poverty line for a single person- about $11,000. :coffee:
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Skjellyfetti wrote:
AZGrizFan wrote:I could be very happy living like this. A LOT less stress in my life, that's for sure. :nod: :nod: :nod:
That's because he doesn't have kids. Throw a kid into the mix and this whole story changes. Also why I want to go ahead and get snipped. :lol:

The guy is living close to the poverty line for a family of four. I wonder how he'd do at the poverty line for a single person- about $11,000. :coffee:
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Skjellyfetti wrote:
AZGrizFan wrote:I could be very happy living like this. A LOT less stress in my life, that's for sure. :nod: :nod: :nod:
That's because he doesn't have kids. Throw a kid into the mix and this whole story changes. Also why I want to go ahead and get snipped. :lol:

The guy is living close to the poverty line for a family of four. I wonder how he'd do at the poverty line for a single person- about $11,000. :coffee:
:roll: :roll: :roll:

Go get a job flipping BURGERS and you make $15,900 a year. Honestly, how fucking hard is it to make $20,000? :roll: :roll:


But I agree with you about the kids thing. Get snipped. Immediately. :coffee:
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AZGrizFan wrote:
Skjellyfetti wrote:
That's because he doesn't have kids. Throw a kid into the mix and this whole story changes. Also why I want to go ahead and get snipped. :lol:

The guy is living close to the poverty line for a family of four. I wonder how he'd do at the poverty line for a single person- about $11,000. :coffee:
:roll: :roll: :roll:

Go get a job flipping BURGERS and you make $15,900 a year. Honestly, how fucking hard is it to make $20,000? :roll: :roll:


But I agree with you about the kids thing. Get snipped. Immediately. :coffee:
:nod: One of the best decisions I ever made. :coffee:
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Vidav wrote:
AZGrizFan wrote: :roll: :roll: :roll:

Go get a job flipping BURGERS and you make $15,900 a year. Honestly, how fucking hard is it to make $20,000? :roll: :roll:


But I agree with you about the kids thing. Get snipped. Immediately. :coffee:
:nod: One of the best decisions I ever made. :coffee:
But in analjelly's case, it's a terrific decision for a different reason. :coffee: :coffee:
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AZGrizFan wrote: But in analjelly's case, it's a terrific decision for a different reason. :coffee: :coffee:
You don't want your wife having more kids?

BOOM.
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Skjellyfetti wrote:
AZGrizFan wrote: But in analjelly's case, it's a terrific decision for a different reason. :coffee: :coffee:
You don't want your wife having more kids?

BOOM.
You're safe there. My wife had a complete hysterectomy 4 years ago.


BOOM back. :coffee:
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Skjellyfetti wrote:
AZGrizFan wrote: But in analjelly's case, it's a terrific decision for a different reason. :coffee: :coffee:
You don't want your wife having more kids?

BOOM.
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Ursus A. Horribilis wrote:
Skjellyfetti wrote:
You don't want your wife having more kids?

BOOM.
:lol:
Laughing at him is like laughing at Andrew Dice Clay. It only encourages them and makes them think people find them funny. :coffee:
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AZGrizFan wrote:
Ursus A. Horribilis wrote: :lol:
Laughing at him is like laughing at Andrew Dice Clay. It only encourages them and makes them think people find them funny. :coffee:
jelly plays it too straight and never let's out the humor so if he does I get a chuckle out of it.

I laugh at Dice all the time.

You're funny too though AZ.
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Ursus A. Horribilis wrote:
AZGrizFan wrote:
Laughing at him is like laughing at Andrew Dice Clay. It only encourages them and makes them think people find them funny. :coffee:
jelly plays it too straight and never let's out the humor so if he does I get a chuckle out of it.

I laugh at Dice all the time.

You're funny too though AZ.
Oh. Well, never mind then. :kisswink:
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AZGrizFan wrote:
kalm wrote:Very good read Z. So much of what the average person today would think this guy goes without didn't even exist 30 years ago. I genuinely think I could live like this and be just as happy. My wife and kids are a different story though. I blame it all on the chicks. :coffee:

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Agreed. But he HAS a laptop. He HAS internet. He may not have t-bones every night, but I could be very happy living like this. A LOT less stress in my life, that's for sure. :nod: :nod: :nod:
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