Boomers are the problem

[D1B]

they are seemingly virulently anti-tax and yet want no corresponding cuts to services... when you ask what they want cut - they always go on about "waste" but can't point to a concrete example that hasn't been remedied in the last 20 years already... or moreover - that won't do shit to fix the problem...

politicians, realizing their electoral future depends on boomers - give them what they want - mostly because any time a leader tries to make hard choices, (as rare as that is) they are run out of town on a rail - and quickly.

Really? I don't think you can make such a rash generalization about boomers. Maybe the OLDER boomers, but those of us on the younger end of the boomer scale should have our OWN designation because there's a definite split in philosophy between the 60+ boomers and the <59 boomers....

And how did that "giving them what they want" work for the politicians in 2010?

Boomers, especially the younger scum, will kill the world. TTBF is dead on. They took what previous generations created, invented or improved and just pissed it away in a 4 decade orgy of consumerism. Where previous generations produced engineers and scientists, the boomers' great minds (except Z - anyone can run a credit union) all went into finance or banking - hence our current manufacturing drought and third world education system.

[D1B]

Really? I don't think you can make such a rash generalization about boomers. Maybe the OLDER boomers, but those of us on the younger end of the boomer scale should have our OWN designation because there's a definite split in philosophy between the 60+ boomers and the <59 boomers....

And how did that "giving them what they want" work for the politicians in 2010?

Agreed. Those of us born from say, 58 to 64 are definately different than those born in the first 12 years.

True, but you're still worthless and did nothing to elevate the nation.

[OL FU]

What's a millenial and is there only a thousand of you

[Cap'n Cat]

You know, I was born in 1971, grew up in the 80's, went to college/got married in the 90's, had kids in the 00's.

Looking back, the 90's kicked some serious ass.

Same with the 80's for me, Andrew. Had a ball.

[Ibanez]

Boomers as a lot are a generally some of the most self-absorbed, greedy and selfish fuckers I've ever encountered...

While Xers are right-wing shits generally, and have never really shaken the "slacker" label - Millenials (of which I technically am one... right at the beginning) are generally very goal oriented, but I will say that they have a tendency to overvalue their input and become petulant toward top-down authority structures... also - their boomer/x'er parents tend to helicopter in - even in their professional lives - which is equal parts hilarious and annoying...

as for fault... it's really hard not to look at the political demands made by the boomers of their politicians...

they are seemingly virulently anti-tax and yet want no corresponding cuts to services... when you ask what they want cut - they always go on about "waste" but can't point to a concrete example that hasn't been remedied in the last 20 years already... or moreover - that won't do shit to fix the problem...

politicians, realizing their electoral future depends on boomers - give them what they want - mostly because any time a leader tries to make hard choices, (as rare as that is) they are run out of town on a rail - and quickly.

My Dad and I were talking about this. He was born in 1950, one of my brothers was born in 1976 and I in 1983. My Dad was saying it was the hippies of the 1960's that have destroyed it and our generation won't fix it. I todl him, there are always people that will step up, even if we aren't the greatest generation. But he did mention that he noticed the Generation X kids complain a lot more than the Gen. Y children.

[Ibanez]

they are seemingly virulently anti-tax and yet want no corresponding cuts to services... when you ask what they want cut - they always go on about "waste" but can't point to a concrete example that hasn't been remedied in the last 20 years already... or moreover - that won't do shit to fix the problem...

politicians, realizing their electoral future depends on boomers - give them what they want - mostly because any time a leader tries to make hard choices, (as rare as that is) they are run out of town on a rail - and quickly.

Really? I don't think you can make such a rash generalization about boomers. Maybe the OLDER boomers, but those of us on the younger end of the boomer scale should have our OWN designation because there's a definite split in philosophy between the 60+ boomers and the <59 boomers....

And how did that "giving them what they want" work for the politicians in 2010?

See my last post. My father had that same idea. His siblings that were born in the 60's are, "peace loving hippies that don't shave".

Gotta love him.

[AZGrizFan]

Really? I don't think you can make such a rash generalization about boomers. Maybe the OLDER boomers, but those of us on the younger end of the boomer scale should have our OWN designation because there's a definite split in philosophy between the 60+ boomers and the <59 boomers....

And how did that "giving them what they want" work for the politicians in 2010?

Boomers, especially the younger scum, will kill the world. TTBF is dead on. They took what previous generations created, invented or improved and just pissed it away in a 4 decade orgy of consumerism. Where previous generations produced engineers and scientists, the boomers' great minds (except Z - anyone can run a credit union) all went into finance or banking - hence our current manufacturing drought and third world education system.

No, but thankfully for me, it appears anyone can run one into the ground. I've got some SERIOUS job security for the next several years going around fixing older boomers' fuckups in the CU world.

[Ivytalk]

Boomers as a lot are a generally some of the most self-absorbed, greedy and selfish **** I've ever encountered...

While Xers are right-wing shits generally, and have never really shaken the "slacker" label - Millenials (of which I technically am one... right at the beginning) are generally very goal oriented, but I will say that they have a tendency to overvalue their input and become petulant toward top-down authority structures... also - their boomer/x'er parents tend to helicopter in - even in their professional lives - which is equal parts hilarious and annoying...

as for fault... it's really hard not to look at the political demands made by the boomers of their politicians...

they are seemingly virulently anti-tax and yet want no corresponding cuts to services... when you ask what they want cut - they always go on about "waste" but can't point to a concrete example that hasn't been remedied in the last 20 years already... or moreover - that won't do **** to fix the problem...

politicians, realizing their electoral future depends on boomers - give them what they want - mostly because any time a leader tries to make hard choices, (as rare as that is) they are run out of town on a rail - and quickly.

15 yards for gross generalizations, with an additional 15 for unsportsmanlike post-Operative (get it?) crankiness. Loss of down!

[Skjellyfetti]

Boomers are the solution, not the problem.

Sept. 29 (Bloomberg) -- Psilocybin, or "magic mushrooms," can make people more open in their feelings and aesthetic sensibilities, conferring on them a lasting personality change, according to a study by Johns Hopkins researchers.

People who had mystic experiences while taking the mushrooms were more likely to show increases in a personality trait dubbed "openness," which is related to creativity, artistic appreciation and curiosity, according to the study in the Journal of Psychopharmacology. The change was still in place a year later, suggesting a long-term effect.

"The remarkable piece is that psilocybin can facilitate experiences that change how people perceive themselves and their environment," said Roland Griffiths, a study author and professor of psychiatry and behavioral science at Johns Hopkins University of Medicine in Baltimore. "That's unprecedented."

Magic mushrooms, also known as "shrooms," are hallucinogens native to tropical and subtropical regions of South America, Mexico and the U.S. The fungi were favored by former Harvard psychologist Timothy Leary, who founded the Harvard Psilocybin Project, and explored by '60s writer and anthropologist Carlos Castaneda. They are typically eaten but can also be dried and smoked or made into a tea.

Openness is one of five major personality factors known to be constant throughout multiple cultures, heritable in families and largely unvarying throughout a person's lifetime. The other four factors, extroversion, neuroticism, agreeableness and conscientiousness, were unchanged by being dosed with the hallucinogenic mushrooms, the study found. This is the first finding of a short-term intervention providing a long-term personality change, researchers said.


Mystical Experiences


The 51 participants, who had an average age of 46, completed two to five eight-hour drug sessions at least three weeks apart. They were asked to lie down on a couch, use an eye mask and listen to music on headphones while focusing on an inner experience. Their personalities were screened initially, one to two months after each drug session and about a year after the last trip.

In the test, 30 people had a mystical experience, as established by a set of psychological scales. On tests of major personality traits, their openness scores rose, suggesting a greater interest in imagination, aesthetics, feelings, ideas and values. The 22 patients who didn't have a mystical experience showed no change.


Potential for Abuse


Psilocybin mushrooms are a schedule I substance in the U.S., which means the government considers them to have a high potential for abuse and no legitimate medical purpose, according to the National Institute on Drug Abuse.

Griffith disagrees. He has started two studies, one in people distressed by recent diagnoses of cancer, and another in cigarette smokers. The changes to patients' personalities may make them more at ease with their cancer diagnosis or make it easier to give up cigarettes, he said.

"There's reason to suggest a treatment program may help patients in opening the mind to other ways of seeing their behavior," Griffith said.

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[Gil Dobie]

With a Boomer in the White House, Ibby has a point that I can't defend.

[Cap'n Cat]

I don't think so. They're worse than the Reagan-diseased generation before them for other reasons. We are doomed after that because it's, then, the IPod-Playstation-XBox fvcks who will be in charge.

Capitalism is to blame for all our ills.

Multiple studies have shown video games to be good for the brain. Next.

....and bad for things like attention span and geting things done on time.........

[Cap'n Cat]

Boomers as a lot are a generally some of the most self-absorbed, greedy and selfish fuckers I've ever encountered...

While Xers are right-wing shits generally, and have never really shaken the "slacker" label - Millenials (of which I technically am one... right at the beginning) are generally very goal oriented, but I will say that they have a tendency to overvalue their input and become petulant toward top-down authority structures... also - their boomer/x'er parents tend to helicopter in - even in their professional lives - which is equal parts hilarious and annoying...

as for fault... it's really hard not to look at the political demands made by the boomers of their politicians...

they are seemingly virulently anti-tax and yet want no corresponding cuts to services... when you ask what they want cut - they always go on about "waste" but can't point to a concrete example that hasn't been remedied in the last 20 years already... or moreover - that won't do shit to fix the problem...

politicians, realizing their electoral future depends on boomers - give them what they want - mostly because any time a leader tries to make hard choices, (as rare as that is) they are run out of town on a rail - and quickly.

My Dad and I were talking about this. He was born in 1950, one of my brothers was born in 1976 and I in 1983. My Dad was saying it was the hippies of the 1960's that have destroyed it and our generation won't fix it. I todl him, there are always people that will step up, even if we aren't the greatest generation. But he did mention that he noticed the Generation X kids complain a lot more than the Gen. Y children.

Had there been no "hippies" and anti-war movement, we'd still be in Vietnam. Jane Fonda should be on Rushmore.

[YoUDeeMan]

Razor's only 26 or 27...with an 8th grade vocabulary and not an original thought in his head.

I applaud your accuracy.

[YoUDeeMan]

Boomers as a lot are a generally some of the most self-absorbed, greedy and selfish fuckers I've ever encountered...

While Xers are right-wing shits generally, and have never really shaken the "slacker" label - Millenials (of which I technically am one... right at the beginning) are generally very goal oriented, but I will say that they have a tendency to overvalue their input and become petulant toward top-down authority structures... also - their boomer/x'er parents tend to helicopter in - even in their professional lives - which is equal parts hilarious and annoying...

as for fault... it's really hard not to look at the political demands made by the boomers of their politicians...

they are seemingly virulently anti-tax and yet want no corresponding cuts to services... when you ask what they want cut - they always go on about "waste" but can't point to a concrete example that hasn't been remedied in the last 20 years already... or moreover - that won't do shit to fix the problem...

politicians, realizing their electoral future depends on boomers - give them what they want - mostly because any time a leader tries to make hard choices, (as rare as that is) they are run out of town on a rail - and quickly.

Who knew a Liberal would be confident enough to put his stereotypes in writing?

What's next?

And Muslims are....

And Republicans are...

And Black people are...

And Democrats are...

And White people are...

[kalm]

Boomers as a lot are a generally some of the most self-absorbed, greedy and selfish fuckers I've ever encountered...

While Xers are right-wing shits generally, and have never really shaken the "slacker" label - Millenials (of which I technically am one... right at the beginning) are generally very goal oriented, but I will say that they have a tendency to overvalue their input and become petulant toward top-down authority structures... also - their boomer/x'er parents tend to helicopter in - even in their professional lives - which is equal parts hilarious and annoying...

as for fault... it's really hard not to look at the political demands made by the boomers of their politicians...

they are seemingly virulently anti-tax and yet want no corresponding cuts to services... when you ask what they want cut - they always go on about "waste" but can't point to a concrete example that hasn't been remedied in the last 20 years already... or moreover - that won't do shit to fix the problem...

politicians, realizing their electoral future depends on boomers - give them what they want - mostly because any time a leader tries to make hard choices, (as rare as that is) they are run out of town on a rail - and quickly.

Who knew a Liberal would be confident enough to put his stereotypes in writing?

What's next?

And Muslims are....Dangerous

And Republicans are...less dangerous than Muslims

And Black people are...good at dancing unless they are Muslim Republicans

And Democrats are...indecisive nannies

And White people are...getting darker

TTBF nails it.

[LeadBolt]

Boomers as a lot are a generally some of the most self-absorbed, greedy and selfish **** I've ever encountered...

While Xers are right-wing shits generally, and have never really shaken the "slacker" label - Millenials (of which I technically am one... right at the beginning) are generally very goal oriented, but I will say that they have a tendency to overvalue their input and become petulant toward top-down authority structures... also - their boomer/x'er parents tend to helicopter in - even in their professional lives - which is equal parts hilarious and annoying...

as for fault... it's really hard not to look at the political demands made by the boomers of their politicians...

they are seemingly virulently anti-tax and yet want no corresponding cuts to services... when you ask what they want cut - they always go on about "waste" but can't point to a concrete example that hasn't been remedied in the last 20 years already... or moreover - that won't do **** to fix the problem...

politicians, realizing their electoral future depends on boomers - give them what they want - mostly because any time a leader tries to make hard choices, (as rare as that is) they are run out of town on a rail - and quickly.

Who knew a Liberal would be confident enough to put his stereotypes in writing?

What's next?

And Muslims are....

And Republicans are...

And Black people are...

And Democrats are...

And White people are...

Back in the day this type of stereotyping used to be called prejudice...

First class warfare and now generational warfare, where will the operatives attack next???

This is why nationalized healthcare with its' inevitable rationing is so scary, when politicians and those with a generalized agenda take over the decisions of who gets treatment and who doesn't based upon their general prejudices...

[kalm]

Who knew a Liberal would be confident enough to put his stereotypes in writing?

What's next?

And Muslims are....

And Republicans are...

And Black people are...

And Democrats are...

And White people are...

Back in the day this type of stereotyping used to be called prejudice...

First class warfare and now generational warfare, where will the operatives attack next???

This is why nationalized healthcare with its' inevitable rationing is so scary, when politicians and those with a generalized agenda take over the decisions of who gets treatment and who doesn't based upon their general prejudices...

Versus insurance companies or how much cash you have in your wallet.

[Ibanez]

My Dad and I were talking about this. He was born in 1950, one of my brothers was born in 1976 and I in 1983. My Dad was saying it was the hippies of the 1960's that have destroyed it and our generation won't fix it. I todl him, there are always people that will step up, even if we aren't the greatest generation. But he did mention that he noticed the Generation X kids complain a lot more than the Gen. Y children.

Had there been no "hippies" and anti-war movement, we'd still be in Vietnam. Jane Fonda should be on Rushmore.

Remember, Republicans are the reason we got out of Vietnam. Democrats got us in there

[LeadBolt]

Back in the day this type of stereotyping used to be called prejudice...

First class warfare and now generational warfare, where will the operatives attack next???

This is why nationalized healthcare with its' inevitable rationing is so scary, when politicians and those with a generalized agenda take over the decisions of who gets treatment and who doesn't based upon their general prejudices...

Versus insurance companies or how much cash you have in your wallet.

Insurance companies don't conspire to restrict supply, but to expand it in order to have competition...

[Cap'n Cat]

Had there been no "hippies" and anti-war movement, we'd still be in Vietnam. Jane Fonda should be on Rushmore.

Remember, Republicans are the reason we got out of Vietnam. Democrats got us in there

Um, Mark. Reread your history, son. I point you to Vietnam and the Eisenhower presidency, especially the handoff to Kennedy. Interesting reading.

Regarding Conks and getting out, suggest you read up on Nixon and his Vietnam policies.

When you are sufficiently educated, come back and give us a report.

This is the problem when you read headlines only, deal in generalities, and don't dig for the truth. A common Conk mistake. Vietnam was a distinctly "American" phenomenon, not a Conk v Donk one.

You're most welcome,

Cap'n Cat.

[LeadBolt]

Had there been no "hippies" and anti-war movement, we'd still be in Vietnam. Jane Fonda should be on Rushmore.

Remember, Republicans are the reason we got out of Vietnam. Democrats got us in there

If you will check, I believe you will find that John Foster Dulles and the Eisenhower administration came up with the domino theory, pushing SEATO and sending in the first "advisors" to Viet Nam. Each following administration (Kennedy, Johnson & Nixon) enlarged our presence there until finally Nixon, ironically was the one started getting us out, but only after he first continued the Johnson build ups...

[Cap'n Cat]

Remember, Republicans are the reason we got out of Vietnam. Democrats got us in there

If you will check, I believe you will find that John Foster Dulles and the Eisenhower administration came up with the domino theory, pushing SEATO and sending in the first "advisors" to Viet Nam. Each following administration (Kennedy, Johnson & Nixon) enlarged our presence there until finally Nixon, ironically was the one started getting us out, but only after he first continued the Johnson build ups...

Zackly. Mark's got some reading to do and he will report back to us.




"Aw, shucks, I did some studyin' and see Cap'n Cat and LeadBolt are right (again). Eisenhower, a Conk, was a douche when he handed over Vietnam to Kennedy with no solid plan for execution. Also, pressure to be the first US president not to "lose a war" was unbearable and left few alternatives for Kennedy, given the anti-commie, Conk-inspired atmosphere. I would like to thank Cap'n Cat and LeadBolt for their wisdom and guidance and for their superhuman efforts to eliminate historical-political ignorance on this board. Thank you."

[D1B]

If you will check, I believe you will find that John Foster Dulles and the Eisenhower administration came up with the domino theory, pushing SEATO and sending in the first "advisors" to Viet Nam. Each following administration (Kennedy, Johnson & Nixon) enlarged our presence there until finally Nixon, ironically was the one started getting us out, but only after he first continued the Johnson build ups...

Zackly. Mark's got some reading to do and he will report back to us.




"Aw, shucks, I did some studyin' and see Cap'n Cat and LeadBolt are right (again). Eisenhower, a Conk, was a douche when he handed over Vietnam to Kennedy with no solid plan for execution. Also, pressure to be the first US president not to "lose a war" was unbearbale and left few alternatives for Kennedy, given the anti-commie, Conk-inspired atmosphere. I would like to thank Cap'n Cat and LeadBolt for their wisdom and guidance and for their superhuman efforts to eliminate historical-political ignorance on this board. Thank you."

Conks.

[Ibanez]

Remember, Republicans are the reason we got out of Vietnam. Democrats got us in there

Um, Mark. Reread your history, son. I point you to Vietnam and the Eisenhower presidency, especially the handoff to Kennedy. Interesting reading.

Regarding Conks and getting out, suggest you read up on Nixon and his Vietnam policies.

When you are sufficiently educated, come back and give us a report.

This is the problem when you read headlines only, deal in generalities, and don't dig for the truth. A common Conk mistake. Vietnam was a distinctly "American" phenomenon, not a Conk v Donk one.

You're most welcome,

Cap'n Cat.

Unlike some of the people around here, I can admit an error. My bad dawg. My bad.

You're right, I misspoke. What I meant (should've said) was Ike put us there and Kennedy followed Ikes lead by providing support, LBJ escalated our involvment and Nixon/Ford were the administrations the ones to get us out(1973-1975). That's not talking about the congress. Bush got us into the Middle East but Democrats and Republicans congressmen and women put us there as well.

Everything in American politics is Republican vs Democrat.

I forgot Ike came in in 1953. For some reason I was thinking the Korean War with Truman in 1950.

[Ibanez]

If you will check, I believe you will find that John Foster Dulles and the Eisenhower administration came up with the domino theory, pushing SEATO and sending in the first "advisors" to Viet Nam. Each following administration (Kennedy, Johnson & Nixon) enlarged our presence there until finally Nixon, ironically was the one started getting us out, but only after he first continued the Johnson build ups...

Zackly. Mark's got some reading to do and he will report back to us.




"Aw, shucks, I did some studyin' and see Cap'n Cat and LeadBolt are right (again). Eisenhower, a Conk, was a douche when he handed over Vietnam to Kennedy with no solid plan for execution. Also, pressure to be the first US president not to "lose a war" was unbearable and left few alternatives for Kennedy, given the anti-commie, Conk-inspired atmosphere. I would like to thank Cap'n Cat and LeadBolt for their wisdom and guidance and for their superhuman efforts to eliminate historical-political ignorance on this board. Thank you."

Vietnam isn't my strong suit. I'm better with the Revolution, Civil War and WWII.