Herman Cain

[Wedgebuster]

The Conks have Herman Cain right where they want him-

[bluehenbillk]

"9-9-9", it's catchy I'll give him that. It's election season and one of the things you hear candidates say, especially on the GOP side is "you have to reform the tax code". Sounds great doesn't it? Do many or do any of them really spell out for you, even with the "9-9-9" plan what it will mean for you the individual, or what it will mean to businesses.

Nope. They leave that part out. Wonder why?

[Ivytalk]

Why you laughin', klam? John Bolton is brilliant and has forgotten more about international relations than the Hildabeast will ever learn.

PNAC, neo colonialist, neo con, nut job. I've seen him interviewed on a number of shows and have to admit that he's very smart and funny but also bat **** crazy when it comes to foreign policy.

Give me one example of the latter. I'm waiting. Surely you're not talking about his tough stance on Iran or his justified skepticism about Russia? And you haven't said why you think Hildabeast brings anything special to the Foggy Bottom table. She's better than the execrable Madeleine Albright, but that's not saying much.

[kalm]

PNAC, neo colonialist, neo con, nut job. I've seen him interviewed on a number of shows and have to admit that he's very smart and funny but also bat **** crazy when it comes to foreign policy.

Give me one example of the latter. I'm waiting. Surely you're not talking about his tough stance on Iran or his justified skepticism about Russia? And you haven't said why you think Hildabeast brings anything special to the Foggy Bottom table. She's better than the execrable Madeleine Albright, but that's not saying much.

He literally thought we should invade Iraq before 9/11 ever happened. I'm neutral on Hildabeast.

[AZGrizFan]

New Fox News poll has Cain at 17%, in a virtual dead heat with Romney & Perry.

[native]

Oh, sorry.

Why you laughin', klam? John Bolton is brilliant and has forgotten more about international relations than the Hildabeast will ever learn.

True dat!

[kalm]

Why you laughin', klam? John Bolton is brilliant and has forgotten more about international relations than the Hildabeast will ever learn.

True dat!

Wait a tick. I thought you were for a reduction in our foot print. Bolton is a neo-con.

[native]

True dat!

Wait a tick. I thought you were for a reduction in our foot print. Bolton is a neo-con.

Bolton is indeed brilliant, knowledgable, and genuinely conservative, but I do not think he is as inclined towards "nation building" as are most neo cons. One need not be a neo con to believe in America and in freedom.

The three remaining "Scoop Jackson" Democrats do not believe Bolton is a neo con, either:
http://www.henryjacksonsociety.org/stories.asp?id=101" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Hell, I don't even think neo cons are as inclined in that direction as they might have been a decade ago.

[native]

"9-9-9", it's catchy I'll give him that. It's election season and one of the things you hear candidates say, especially on the GOP side is "you have to reform the tax code". Sounds great doesn't it? Do many or do any of them really spell out for you, even with the "9-9-9" plan what it will mean for you the individual, or what it will mean to businesses.

Nope. They leave that part out. Wonder why?

Literally any simpler system would be an improvement on our current byzantine income tax code which is based on political favoritism and lobbyist payola more than anything else. What the flat tax would mean is more simplicity, fairness, transparency, efficiency, productivity and predictability, among other qualities, for both individuals and businesses. It would increase the savings rates across the board, enhance sustainable long-term economic growth, and reduce the boom and bust cycle of entitlements and government-sponsored economic bubbles. It would mean that most tax lawyers and accountants would have to turn their considerable talents to more productive use.

[native]

The very idea that a thread like this has to hapopen is a damning indictment of the current Conk field of idiots and the lack of good Conk ideas. If Conks are so smart and know all the cures for our ills, why can't they get the message across???? Surely, ONE of these idiots can convey it, no?


Conks are fvcked well into the 2030's.


Four more years, man.

Black Repubs:
Thomas Sowell
Frederick Douglass
Condoleeza Rice
Ward Connerly
Ken Blackwell
Tim Scott
Colin Powell
Martin Luther King
Clarence Thomas
Michael Steele

Black Dems:
Obummer hizownsef
Maxine Waters
Cynthia McKinney
Erik Holder
Van Jones
James Clyburn

[CID1990]

True dat!

Wait a tick. I thought you were for a reduction in our foot print. Bolton is a neo-con.

If anything, Bolton is the polar opposite of a neo-con.

Mabe you should support your statement with something more than coffee.

[bluehenbillk]

"9-9-9", it's catchy I'll give him that. It's election season and one of the things you hear candidates say, especially on the GOP side is "you have to reform the tax code". Sounds great doesn't it? Do many or do any of them really spell out for you, even with the "9-9-9" plan what it will mean for you the individual, or what it will mean to businesses.

Nope. They leave that part out. Wonder why?

Literally any simpler system would be an improvement on our current byzantine income tax code which is based on political favoritism and lobbyist payola more than anything else. What the flat tax would mean is more simplicity, fairness, transparency, efficiency, productivity and predictability, among other qualities, for both individuals and businesses. It would increase the savings rates across the board, enhance sustainable long-term economic growth, and reduce the boom and bust cycle of entitlements and government-sponsored economic bubbles. It would mean that most tax lawyers and accountants would have to turn their considerable talents to more productive use.

All that is a 100% guess. Again, they offer no proof to back that up.

[kalm]

Wait a tick. I thought you were for a reduction in our foot print. Bolton is a neo-con.

If anything, Bolton is the polar opposite of a neo-con.

Mabe you should support your statement with something more than coffee.

I'm sure he doesn't consider himself a neo-con, kind of like nobody is a liberal any more. For all I know, he's changed his tune Iraq too.

As I stated, he was a member of PNAC which should be enough. But here's some additional reading:

In his new memoir, Surrender Is Not an Option: Defending America at the United Nations and Abroad, Bolton — known to be close to Vice President Dick Cheney — outlines some of the internal foreign policy battles in the Administration of George W. Bush, and paints President Bush himself as betraying his own gut instinct.

Bolton's book covers his childhood as the son of a Baltimore fireman, his days at Yale Law School and his service in the administrations of Ronald Reagan and George H. W. Bush. But it's the brickbats he reserves for Rice and fellow diplomats and civil servants in the current Administration that grab the most attention. First as Undersecretary of State for Arms Control and then as U.N. ambassador, Bolton emerges as an outspoken unilateralist and an opponent of treaties and international institutions ranging from the Kyoto climate convention to the International Court of Criminal Justice. And he has been a vocal opponent, both inside and outside the Administration, of negotiations with North Korea and Iran over their nuclear programs.

Bolton's outspoken policy views have long been familiar, but what's most interesting about his new book is the sheer enthusiasm with which he has adopted the mantle of the most vocal neoconservative critic of the Bush Administration's foreign policy, only months after resigning from the Bush team when the Senate for the second time refused to confirm his nomination to the U.N. post.

Read more: http://www.time.com/time/nation/article ... z1ZLPGantv" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[blueballs]

"9-9-9", it's catchy I'll give him that. It's election season and one of the things you hear candidates say, especially on the GOP side is "you have to reform the tax code". Sounds great doesn't it? Do many or do any of them really spell out for you, even with the "9-9-9" plan what it will mean for you the individual, or what it will mean to businesses.

Nope. They leave that part out. Wonder why?

Literally any simpler system would be an improvement on our current byzantine income tax code which is based on political favoritism and lobbyist payola more than anything else. What the flat tax would mean is more simplicity, fairness, transparency, efficiency, productivity and predictability, among other qualities, for both individuals and businesses. It would increase the savings rates across the board, enhance sustainable long-term economic growth, and reduce the boom and bust cycle of entitlements and government-sponsored economic bubbles. It would mean that most tax lawyers and accountants would have to turn their considerable talents to more productive use.

Couldn't have said it better Native, kudos!!!!!!

[bluehenbillk]

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/20 ... -yourself/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Not that Cain was ever going to get the GOP nomination, but, with the economy stalled in the tank for a few years now, with occupations spreading across the country, and unemployment not getting any lower, this was the wrong place, wrong time to say the wrong thing:

"Don't blame Wall Street," Cain said. "Don't blame the big banks. If you don't have a job and you're not rich, blame yourself."

Look, I get where he was going, but man, that came out wrong & he'll get killed on it as his doomed campaign trudges on.

[kalm]

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/20 ... -yourself/

Not that Cain was ever going to get the GOP nomination, but, with the economy stalled in the tank for a few years now, with occupations spreading across the country, and unemployment not getting any lower, this was the wrong place, wrong time to say the wrong thing:

"Don't blame Wall Street," Cain said. "Don't blame the big banks. If you don't have a job and you're not rich, blame yourself."

Look, I get where he was going, but man, that came out wrong & he'll get killed on it as his doomed campaign trudges on.

It seems like that's how most of the right and the msm has dealt with this so far. Will it hurt them in the general?

[bluehenbillk]

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/20 ... -yourself/

Not that Cain was ever going to get the GOP nomination, but, with the economy stalled in the tank for a few years now, with occupations spreading across the country, and unemployment not getting any lower, this was the wrong place, wrong time to say the wrong thing:

"Don't blame Wall Street," Cain said. "Don't blame the big banks. If you don't have a job and you're not rich, blame yourself."

Look, I get where he was going, but man, that came out wrong & he'll get killed on it as his doomed campaign trudges on.

It seems like that's how most of the right and the msm has dealt with this so far. Will it hurt them in the general?

Not a question of will it hurt them, it's how much. The perception of the majority of this country is that Congress doesn't realize there are major issues happening all around it, it's like they operate in a bubble sometimes. I expect a loud & clear message to be delivered next fall - Campaign 469.

[AZGrizFan]

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/20 ... -yourself/

Not that Cain was ever going to get the GOP nomination, but, with the economy stalled in the tank for a few years now, with occupations spreading across the country, and unemployment not getting any lower, this was the wrong place, wrong time to say the wrong thing:

"Don't blame Wall Street," Cain said. "Don't blame the big banks. If you don't have a job and you're not rich, blame yourself."

Look, I get where he was going, but man, that came out wrong & he'll get killed on it as his doomed campaign trudges on.

It seems like that's how most of the right and the msm has dealt with this so far. Will it hurt them in the general?

I agree with Herman Cain 100% on this issue. It's really easy to blame someone else when you've got troubles. Hell, it's the Democratic mantra to blame OTHERS for your own shortcomings---Obama has made a living blaming millionaires and corporate jet flyers for all this country's ills...It's very refreshing to see a politician who gets it like Cain does. Then again, he's not a politician. Kudos to him.

[89Hen]

Was listening to local news radio (most unbiased news I've ever heard, I honestly can't say I've ever hear a single partisan thing from this station) and they interviewed a guy who said that no matter how well Cain did in the debates or the polling, he couldn't come close to getting the nomination because his campaign was too small. Staff couldn't even handle donations if they came in. Made me sad about the state of our national elections.

After the first two debates my son asked me who I thought won. I told him nobody. The frontrunners all sucked and the only one who had any good ideas and made sense was Cain, but they gave him all of 5 minutes the entire debate. It was a fucking sham (I didn't say that part to my son).

[TwinTownBisonFan]

Was listening to local news radio (most unbiased news I've ever heard, I honestly can't say I've ever hear a single partisan thing from this station) and they interviewed a guy who said that no matter how well Cain did in the debates or the polling, he couldn't come close to getting the nomination because his campaign was too small. Staff couldn't even handle donations if they came in. Made me sad about the state of our national elections.

After the first two debates my son asked me who I thought won. I told him nobody. The frontrunners all sucked and the only one who had any good ideas and made sense was Cain, but they gave him all of 5 minutes the entire debate. It was a fucking sham (I didn't say that part to my son).

to paraphrase Mr. Cain: "If you don't have proper campaign infrastructure, don't blame the system, don't blame the FEC, blame yourself."

[89Hen]

to paraphrase Mr. Cain: "If you don't have proper campaign infrastructure, don't blame the system, don't blame the FEC, blame yourself."

That's cute and all, but the system is broken.

[dbackjon]

to paraphrase Mr. Cain: "If you don't have proper campaign infrastructure, don't blame the system, don't blame the FEC, blame yourself."

That's cute and all, but the system is broken.

The Financial System? Yup

[TwinTownBisonFan]

to paraphrase Mr. Cain: "If you don't have proper campaign infrastructure, don't blame the system, don't blame the FEC, blame yourself."

That's cute and all, but the system is broken.

Bullshit. Cain was running a vanity campaign - and caught fire. Realistically, I think he was hoping for a VP offer from someone - and is as surprised as anyone that he's gotten any traction.

Ron Paul has built a very solid campaign organization despite numerous disadvantages.

Cain is rolling in money right now - if he had built scalable infrastructure - he could have handled it. In this case in particular I know VERY well of what I speak. In '08 I had built such an infrastructure on my campaign - and when the entire political world came to my door, I was ready (more or less) to handle it. (I just couldn't spend it fast enough before e-day... a very good problem to have)

Cain's problem appears to be that he (or more accurately, his manager) didn't believe him capable of rising this far.

[89Hen]

That's cute and all, but the system is broken.

The Financial System? Yup

What's wrong with the finacial system?

[89Hen]

That's cute and all, but the system is broken.

Bullshit. Cain was running a vanity campaign - and caught fire. Realistically, I think he was hoping for a VP offer from someone - and is as surprised as anyone that he's gotten any traction.

Ron Paul has built a very solid campaign organization despite numerous disadvantages.

Cain is rolling in money right now - if he had built scalable infrastructure - he could have handled it. In this case in particular I know VERY well of what I speak. In '08 I had built such an infrastructure on my campaign - and when the entire political world came to my door, I was ready (more or less) to handle it. (I just couldn't spend it fast enough before e-day... a very good problem to have)

Cain's problem appears to be that he (or more accurately, his manager) didn't believe him capable of rising this far.

How many people in the US do you think are electable for POTUS?