Shit, a guy in my hometown was just convicted of his 11th (you read that correctly, ELEVENTH) DUI, and he'll be in the slammer for a grand total of 13 months.TwinTownBisonFan wrote:Indeeddbackjon wrote:
The problem with prison overcrowding is the long sentences given for petty crimes - pushed by private industrial prisons.
For-profit prisons are a blight on our counry.
Here's one to think on - in most states you do about double the time in prison for grand theft auto (often 10 years) than you do for rape (4 to 6 in many states)... that's some fucked up priorities right there.
I'm not saying theft or burglary aren't bad things that should be punished - but IMO property crimes are less severe than crimes against other persons - and their punishments should reflect that.
the problem, from a political standpoint is that no politician ever wants to be accused of being "soft on crime" by their opponent - so even proposing reasonable reforms to get our system in order ends up being political suicide.
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I think we should start a reality show like "Running Man".
Have guys condemned to death fight it out in an arena. Winner gets commuted.
Have guys condemned to death fight it out in an arena. Winner gets commuted.
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Guarantee some executive at Fox has pitched it... and what's even sadder is the number of people who would watch itCID1990 wrote:I think we should start a reality show like "Running Man".
Have guys condemned to death fight it out in an arena. Winner gets commuted.
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Kill 'em and let God sort it out.
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There is really no such thing as "cruel and unusual" punishment for the perpetrators of the most heinous, capital punishment crimes.
The only thing that matters is whether or not they did the deed.
For pro-life Christians who nevertheless feel they should support the death penalty in some cases, let your conscience be at ease. You have been fed a pack of politically-correct lies and are off the hook! The accurate English translation of the sixth commandment is "Thou Shalt Not Murder," NOT "Thou Shalt Not Kill." Huge difference.
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The only thing that matters is whether or not they did the deed.
For pro-life Christians who nevertheless feel they should support the death penalty in some cases, let your conscience be at ease. You have been fed a pack of politically-correct lies and are off the hook! The accurate English translation of the sixth commandment is "Thou Shalt Not Murder," NOT "Thou Shalt Not Kill." Huge difference.
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Because it sounds like a bad horror movie.BlueHen86 wrote:Why the89Hen wrote:![]()
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emoticon?
I am against the death penalty, but if were going to execute people shouldn't we harvest their organs so that people in need can benefit?

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Yeah, that's a brilliant idea.CID1990 wrote:I think we should start a reality show like "Running Man".
Have guys condemned to death fight it out in an arena. Winner gets commuted.

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How many wrecks?Grizalltheway wrote:Shit, a guy in my hometown was just convicted of his 11th (you read that correctly, ELEVENTH) DUI, and he'll be in the slammer for a grand total of 13 months.TwinTownBisonFan wrote:
Indeed
Here's one to think on - in most states you do about double the time in prison for grand theft auto (often 10 years) than you do for rape (4 to 6 in many states)... that's some fucked up priorities right there.
I'm not saying theft or burglary aren't bad things that should be punished - but IMO property crimes are less severe than crimes against other persons - and their punishments should reflect that.
the problem, from a political standpoint is that no politician ever wants to be accused of being "soft on crime" by their opponent - so even proposing reasonable reforms to get our system in order ends up being political suicide.![]()
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AgreeVidav wrote:Or at least use the bodies for research or practice cadavers for med students.BlueHen86 wrote:
Why theemoticon?
I am against the death penalty, but if were going to execute people shouldn't we harvest their organs so that people in need can benefit?
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JMU DJ wrote:I am against the death penalty. There's been a few comments about paying for murders to live in prison for the rest of their life, some from people who constantly bemoan spending. It actually cost less to keep someone in prison for life than it does to put them to death
Of course you are against the death penalty...so you and your kind make it nearly impossible to execute anyone.
Then, you say that fiscal conservatives should support life in prison because it is cheaper than putting someone to death.
Clown.
Trial. One year to get your appeal done. Execution.
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You're the ones who brought up the "paying" for life in prison aspect and I never said you should support what I was quoting. Just pointing out that it cost more to put someone to death than to let them sit in a cell for the rest of their life. Glad you think it's comical that much money is spent though.Cluck U wrote:JMU DJ wrote:I am against the death penalty. There's been a few comments about paying for murders to live in prison for the rest of their life, some from people who constantly bemoan spending. It actually cost less to keep someone in prison for life than it does to put them to death
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Of course you are against the death penalty...so you and your kind make it nearly impossible to execute anyone.
Then, you say that fiscal conservatives should support life in prison because it is cheaper than putting someone to death.![]()
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Trial. One year to get your appeal done. Execution.
I respect your opinion, one of the few to put a solution out here, but in this country, you're never going to see "Trial. One year to get your appeal done. Execution." Especially when you consider all of the innocent people who would have been put to death before there was DNA testing was available. 100's have been exonerated years after they've been sentenced to death, and according to your solution, seems you'd be OK if they'd been killed after one year.
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JMU DJ wrote:You're the ones who brought up the "paying" for life in prison aspect and I never said you should support what I was quoting. Just pointing out that it cost more to put someone to death than to let them sit in a cell for the rest of their life. Glad you think it's comical that much money is spent though.![]()
I respect your opinion, one of the few to put a solution out here, but in this country, you're never going to see "Trial. One year to get your appeal done. Execution." Especially when you consider all of the innocent people who would have been put to death before there was DNA testing was available. 100's have been exonerated years after they've been sentenced to death, and according to your solution, seems you'd be OK if they'd been killed after one year.
"Clown"Get a new line.
So you're saying it take a year to get a DNA test? Oh wait, you weren't really saying anything.
And yes, it is comical to spend any money providing a bed and three meals to a rapist, child molester, murderer, etc. Thanks to dopes like you, it is even more expensive. Some criminals live with more amenities than some honest citizens. Perhaps you should provide the money to honest people. What a concept.
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I didn't see a lot of outrage about the guy executed the same night in Texas. He was a white supremacist who dragged a man to death behind a vehicle hanging by a chain until his body tore apart. Where were the candlelight vigils for this one, or is there a double standard? Is an egregious hate crime and subsequent execution somehow more palatable for the death penalty opposition?
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for a great case as to why we can not execute quickly, look no further than the Lori Roscetti case.
Lori was a med student at the Rush University in Chicago - brutally raped and murdered while going home from a late night study session. The outcry over the crime lead the Chicago PD/DA to frame three men - later found innocent after years in prison. While this was not a death penalty case in Illinois, it would have been in many states.
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Lori was a friend of mine - we went to high school together, and took most of the same classes all through HS - we were the top two math and science students in the school. I wanted justice for her. Without the dilegence of students at Northwestern, the real perps would still be free.
Lori was a med student at the Rush University in Chicago - brutally raped and murdered while going home from a late night study session. The outcry over the crime lead the Chicago PD/DA to frame three men - later found innocent after years in prison. While this was not a death penalty case in Illinois, it would have been in many states.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/chi-dpros ... 03.special" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Lori was a friend of mine - we went to high school together, and took most of the same classes all through HS - we were the top two math and science students in the school. I wanted justice for her. Without the dilegence of students at Northwestern, the real perps would still be free.
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I'm not sure why people agonize over one person's innocence if he/she were given a trial and an appeal. If you are worried about "frame" jobs, then hold those framers accountable and the majority of that crap would stop.dbackjon wrote:for a great case as to why we can not execute quickly, look no further than the Lori Roscetti case.
Lori was a med student at the Rush University in Chicago - brutally raped and murdered while going home from a late night study session. The outcry over the crime lead the Chicago PD/DA to frame three men - later found innocent after years in prison. While this was not a death penalty case in Illinois, it would have been in many states.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/chi-dpros ... 03.special" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Lori was a friend of mine - we went to high school together, and took most of the same classes all through HS - we were the top two math and science students in the school. I wanted justice for her. Without the dilegence of students at Northwestern, the real perps would still be free.
If you want to play the innocent people get killed card, we let murderers, rapists, child molesters go all the time and they end up killing, raping, and molesting other people. Shame on us.
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DNA testing hasn't always been available, had you implemented your "One year" rule before it was, 100's of innocent people would have been killed. Yet, even bigger, you do realize there's a massive backlog (up to 2 years) of DNA test for violent crimes? Not to mention the backlog of cases clogging up the court system where it takes years to even get your case heard. Eh, but you're right, I really wasn't saying anything. Put em down in one yearCluck U wrote:JMU DJ wrote:You're the ones who brought up the "paying" for life in prison aspect and I never said you should support what I was quoting. Just pointing out that it cost more to put someone to death than to let them sit in a cell for the rest of their life. Glad you think it's comical that much money is spent though.![]()
I respect your opinion, one of the few to put a solution out here, but in this country, you're never going to see "Trial. One year to get your appeal done. Execution." Especially when you consider all of the innocent people who would have been put to death before there was DNA testing was available. 100's have been exonerated years after they've been sentenced to death, and according to your solution, seems you'd be OK if they'd been killed after one year.
"Clown"Get a new line.
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So you're saying it take a year to get a DNA test? Oh wait, you weren't really saying anything.
And yes, it is comical to spend any money providing a bed and three meals to a rapist, child molester, murderer, etc. Thanks to dopes like you, it is even more expensive. Some criminals live with more amenities than some honest citizens. Perhaps you should provide the money to honest people. What a concept.
I see what you're saying though, the process should be streamlined to make these cases/appeals go through quicker. But, from everything I've seen over the past decade, even when more resources are allocated, the backlog is getting even larger.
ASUG8 wrote:I didn't see a lot of outrage about the guy executed the same night in Texas. He was a white supremacist who dragged a man to death behind a vehicle hanging by a chain until his body tore apart. Where were the candlelight vigils for this one, or is there a double standard? Is an egregious hate crime and subsequent execution somehow more palatable for the death penalty opposition?
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http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/09/ ... 5B20110921" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;"You can't fight murder with murder," Ross Byrd, 32, told Reuters late Tuesday, the night before Wednesday's scheduled execution of Lawrence Russell Brewer for one of the most notorious hate crimes in modern times.
"Life in prison would have been fine. I know he can't hurt my daddy anymore. I wish the state would take in mind that this isn't what we want."

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Wow, talk about faulty logic. Early parole and capital punishment are related how?Cluck U wrote:I'm not sure why people agonize over one person's innocence if he/she were given a trial and an appeal. If you are worried about "frame" jobs, then hold those framers accountable and the majority of that crap would stop.
If you want to play the innocent people get killed card, we let murderers, rapists, child molesters go all the time and they end up killing, raping, and molesting other people. Shame on us.

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Cluck makes a point.89Hen wrote:Wow, talk about faulty logic. Early parole and capital punishment are related how?Cluck U wrote:I'm not sure why people agonize over one person's innocence if he/she were given a trial and an appeal. If you are worried about "frame" jobs, then hold those framers accountable and the majority of that crap would stop.
If you want to play the innocent people get killed card, we let murderers, rapists, child molesters go all the time and they end up killing, raping, and molesting other people. Shame on us.
If, for example, we execute ten people and one of them is innocent, we have killed one innocent person.
If we instead let ten murderers out on parole and two of them killed innocent people, we would have killed two or more innocent people.
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Is being against the death penalty being in support of parole for murderers? Who in this thread is suggesting we let murderers out on parole?
Life without the possibility of parole for first degree murder.
Life without the possibility of parole for first degree murder.
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Skjellyfetti wrote:Is being against the death penalty being in support of parole for murderers? Who in this thread is suggesting we let murderers out on parole?
Life without the possibility of parole for first degree murder.
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If a genetic test determined you were going to have a baby who was homosexual, would you abort the fetus? Wonder what Michele Bachmann and Joe Teabag would say.....................

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If a genetic test said I was going to have a baby, I'd call Ripley and Guiness.Cap'n Cat wrote:If a genetic test determined you were going to have a baby who was homosexual, would you abort the fetus? Wonder what Michele Bachmann and Joe Teabag would say.....................
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Depending on age, it would seem to me that a lifetime in prison with no hope of parole or release, as opposed to the sweet release of death seems much more cruel and unusual to me.Skjellyfetti wrote:Is being against the death penalty being in support of parole for murderers? Who in this thread is suggesting we let murderers out on parole?
Life without the possibility of parole for first degree murder.
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We would also undermine - significantly, public faith in our justice system.native wrote:Cluck makes a point.89Hen wrote: Wow, talk about faulty logic. Early parole and capital punishment are related how?
If, for example, we execute ten people and one of them is innocent, we have killed one innocent person.
If we instead let ten murderers out on parole and two of them killed innocent people, we would have killed two or more innocent people.
More to the point - that's all easy to say in abstraction - until the one falsely accused is you or someone you care about.
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Not sure how it can go much lower.TwinTownBisonFan wrote:We would also undermine - significantly, public faith in our justice system.
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