Hey, Obama Bashin' "Trickle-Down" Azzholes: Front and Center

[Cap'n Cat]

You economically illiterate, blinders-on, Reagan-fellating dickheads have some 'splainin' to do before you beat Obama up about this jobs thing.



First, recognize that all this was set up by your boy years ago....

Second, If tax breaks for the wealthy were supposed to create jobs, where, after 10 years of Bush's tax cuts, are the jobs???? Hey, no finger-pointin', either, you azzholes said that was the solution - rich fvcks would take those cuts and use them to expand their businesses and hire people. Well, what the fvck happened?? And see if you can put any responsibility on your rich Conk friends (like IvyTalk and Hoagie and Z) before you knee jerk ala' Limbaugh and just blame "the black guy" as you are wont to do!



Where are the trickle down jobs?

[ASUG8]

I don't know, but $787B in stimulus didn't create 2 MM jobs or get unemployment below 8% as promised. Maybe we throw a few hundred billion more at it and something positive will happen.

[Cap'n Cat]

I don't know, but $787B in stimulus didn't create 2 MM jobs or get unemployment below 8% as promised. Maybe we throw a few hundred billion more at it and something positive will happen.

Understand and appreciate your point, G8r, however, it was a shot - one that had to be taken, because -

The Bush Tax cuts failed us!

How much did his tax cuts cost us and what in the fvck did we get in return except for richer Conks?????

Z:




"Givin' this one to mah daughter fer her dorm room."

[ASUG8]

I could respond with the current administration's mantra on the stimulus by saying "Look at how bad it would have been if we didn't do it" but that is purely MMQB speculation. Bush tax cuts were likely in part to protect his buddies with some light economic theory thrown in to sell it to the masses. Clearly it didn't work for everyone, but a repeal right now would be a nightmare scenario - might as well repeal the mortgage interest deduction while you're at it.

I'm just spitballin' here. Somehow we have to get consumer confidence back up, get the banks extending credit legitimately, and make people feel much more secure in their jobs to get the economic engine moving again. I don't think a one-shot $4000 credit to employers to hire someone full time is enough incentive to get tentative employers off the fence.

[Cap'n Cat]

I could respond with the current administration's mantra on the stimulus by saying "Look at how bad it would have been if we didn't do it" but that is purely MMQB speculation. Bush tax cuts were likely in part to protect his buddies with some light economic theory thrown in to sell it to the masses. Clearly it didn't work for everyone, but a repeal right now would be a nightmare scenario - might as well repeal the mortgage interest deduction while you're at it.

I'm just spitballin' here. Somehow we have to get consumer confidence back up, get the banks extending credit legitimately, and make people feel much more secure in their jobs to get the economic engine moving again. I don't think a one-shot $4000 credit to employers to hire someone full time is enough incentive to get tentative employers off the fence.

They didn't use Bush's sh*t, why should they use something new?????

Again, hardcore Conks are welcome to 'splain, you big-talkin' dorks!

[AZGrizFan]

I don't know, but $787B in stimulus didn't create 2 MM jobs or get unemployment below 8% as promised. Maybe we throw a few hundred billion more at it and something positive will happen.

Understand and appreciate your point, G8r, however, it was a shot - one that had to be taken, because -

The Bush Tax cuts failed us!

How much did his tax cuts cost us and what in the fvck did we get in return except for richer Conks?????

Z:


"Givin' this one to mah daughter fer her dorm room."

God, that is a handsome man.

[Cap'n Cat]

I'd hit it.


The bear, I mean.

[D1B]

Understand and appreciate your point, G8r, however, it was a shot - one that had to be taken, because -

The Bush Tax cuts failed us!

How much did his tax cuts cost us and what in the fvck did we get in return except for richer Conks?????

Z:


"Givin' this one to mah daughter fer her dorm room."

God, that is a handsome man.

Sure is. The dude on the right though could use a hair cut and a shower.

[AZGrizFan]

Sure is. The dude on the right though could use a hair cut and a shower.

How would you like to come around the corner of a trail and run headlong into either one of those ugly mugs?

[D1B]

Sure is. The dude on the right though could use a hair cut and a shower.

How would you like to come around the corner of a trail and run headlong into either one of those ugly mugs?

Awe, HELL na!

[BlueHen86]

Sure is. The dude on the right though could use a hair cut and a shower.

How would you like to come around the corner of a trail and run headlong into either one of those ugly mugs?

That's why I wear a cowbell. It's common sense.

[Col Hogan]

Cap, your first mistake is assuming all conservatives supported what Bush did...you're dead wrong on that one...

He did cut taxes...then tried (and pretty much succeeded) to outspend Democrats...hell, he grew government faster than the Democrats ever dreamed of doing...

0bama simply kept the Bush spending spree going and took it to a much higher level...and he wants to increase taxes...

Neither administration was/is correct...so to try and do a comparison as you have is simply wrong...

[kalm]

Cap, your first mistake is assuming all conservatives supported what Bush did...you're dead wrong on that one...

He did cut taxes...then tried (and pretty much succeeded) to outspend Democrats...hell, he grew government faster than the Democrats ever dreamed of doing...

0bama simply kept the Bush spending spree going and took it to a much higher level...and he wants to increase taxes...

Neither administration was/is correct...so to try and do a comparison as you have is simply wrong...

1/3 of the first stimulus was tax cuts. The fed has pumped $9 trillion to the banks. The Bush tax cuts were extended. The proposed jobs plan is more...wait for it tax cuts. Corporation's share of the tax burden has drpped 30 pts in the last 40 years. it ain't workin'.

[bluehenbillk]

Ths thread is all about changing the subject.

Obama is the President and has been now for almost 3 years.

Come up with a god damn plan that at least people have some confidence or hope in - that's your job - not to be a deer in the headlights.

Obama - you have 13 months to fix things or America will just say "Next!"

[ASUG8]

Cap, your first mistake is assuming all conservatives supported what Bush did...you're dead wrong on that one...

He did cut taxes...then tried (and pretty much succeeded) to outspend Democrats...hell, he grew government faster than the Democrats ever dreamed of doing...

0bama simply kept the Bush spending spree going and took it to a much higher level...and he wants to increase taxes...

Neither administration was/is correct...so to try and do a comparison as you have is simply wrong...

1/3 of the first stimulus was tax cuts. The fed has pumped $9 trillion to the banks. The Bush tax cuts were extended. The proposed jobs plan is more...wait for it tax cuts. Corporation's share of the tax burden has drpped 30 pts in the last 40 years. it ain't workin'.

US corporate tax rates are among the highest in the world. US companies continue to send jobs offshore - the NLRB tries to block a US company from expanding into a right to work state in the US. We need to stop shooting ourselves in the foot with all the levels of bureaucracy.

[kalm]

1/3 of the first stimulus was tax cuts. The fed has pumped $9 trillion to the banks. The Bush tax cuts were extended. The proposed jobs plan is more...wait for it tax cuts. Corporation's share of the tax burden has drpped 30 pts in the last 40 years. it ain't workin'.

US corporate tax rates are among the highest in the world. US companies continue to send jobs offshore - the NLRB tries to block a US company from expanding into a right to work state in the US. We need to stop shooting ourselves in the foot with all the levels of bureaucracy.

The effective US corporate tax rate is the 2nd lowest among OECD countries.

[ASUG8]

US corporate tax rates are among the highest in the world. US companies continue to send jobs offshore - the NLRB tries to block a US company from expanding into a right to work state in the US. We need to stop shooting ourselves in the foot with all the levels of bureaucracy.

The effective US corporate tax rate is the 2nd lowest among OECD countries.

Really?
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[LeadBolt]

The effective US corporate tax rate is the 2nd lowest among OECD countries.

Really?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Incom ... ountry.svg" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

OH, NO! There you go again, confusing them with facts, now there will be h*11 to pay....

[GannonFan]

Cap, your first mistake is assuming all conservatives supported what Bush did...you're dead wrong on that one...

He did cut taxes...then tried (and pretty much succeeded) to outspend Democrats...hell, he grew government faster than the Democrats ever dreamed of doing...

0bama simply kept the Bush spending spree going and took it to a much higher level...and he wants to increase taxes...

Neither administration was/is correct...so to try and do a comparison as you have is simply wrong...

1/3 of the first stimulus was tax cuts. The fed has pumped $9 trillion to the banks. The Bush tax cuts were extended. The proposed jobs plan is more...wait for it tax cuts. Corporation's share of the tax burden has drpped 30 pts in the last 40 years. it ain't workin'.

Temporary and short term tax cuts are basically the equivalent of Bush's silly idea to write $500 checks to everyone as a one time measure. If you simply reduce taxes for a predetermined, preadvertised, short period of time, as both Obama's first and now second stimulus have done, while also promising to jack up taxes shortly thereafter, then all you've done is just write the check to everyone, just like Bush did. It's basically spinning your wheels withouth making any real, substantive change that could have a long term, positive impact. Not all tax cuts are really the same.

[kalm]

Really?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Incom ... ountry.svg" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

OH, NO! There you go again, confusing them with facts, now there will be h*11 to pay....

Putting U.S. Corporate Taxes in Perspective

The U.S. corporate tax burden is smaller than average for developed countries.[1]  Corporations in 19 of the member states of the Organization for Economic Co-operation and Development paid 16.1 percent of their profits in taxes between 2000 and 2005, on average, while corporations in the United States paid 13.4 percent.

End Notes:
[1] U.S. Department of the Treasury, “Treasury Conference on Business Taxation and Global Competitiveness: Background Paper,” July 23, 2007, Table 5-3 (giving data on a sample of 19 of the 30 OECD states).  For an international comparison of corporate-level taxes (taxes paid at the corporate level, including, for example, property taxes, labor taxes and contributions, and sales taxes), see: World Bank and PricewaterhouseCoopers, “Paying Taxes 2008: the Global Picture,” http://www.doingbusiness.org/documents/ ... s_2008.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;.  This study compared the corporate-level taxation that a hypothetical company with 60 employees would face in 178 countries.  The study found that the corporate-level taxes the model company would pay, measured as a percentage of its profits, would be higher in 76 other countries (including 15 OECD countries) than in the United States.

http://www.cbpp.org/cms/?fa=view&id=784" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Conks...shitty at reading and math.

[Grizalltheway]

klam: since you're obviously not busy, get your ass over to Missoula in time for lunch.

[ASUG8]

OH, NO! There you go again, confusing them with facts, now there will be h*11 to pay....

Putting U.S. Corporate Taxes in Perspective

The U.S. corporate tax burden is smaller than average for developed countries.[1]  Corporations in 19 of the member states of the Organization for Economic Co-operation and Development paid 16.1 percent of their profits in taxes between 2000 and 2005, on average, while corporations in the United States paid 13.4 percent.

End Notes:
[1] U.S. Department of the Treasury, “Treasury Conference on Business Taxation and Global Competitiveness: Background Paper,” July 23, 2007, Table 5-3 (giving data on a sample of 19 of the 30 OECD states).  For an international comparison of corporate-level taxes (taxes paid at the corporate level, including, for example, property taxes, labor taxes and contributions, and sales taxes), see: World Bank and PricewaterhouseCoopers, “Paying Taxes 2008: the Global Picture,” http://www.doingbusiness.org/documents/ ... s_2008.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;.  This study compared the corporate-level taxation that a hypothetical company with 60 employees would face in 178 countries.  The study found that the corporate-level taxes the model company would pay, measured as a percentage of its profits, would be higher in 76 other countries (including 15 OECD countries) than in the United States.

http://www.cbpp.org/cms/?fa=view&id=784" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Conks...shitty at reading and math.

Read up.
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http://chrisbanescu.com/blog/2008/12/us ... countries/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[Ivytalk]

OH, NO! There you go again, confusing them with facts, now there will be h*11 to pay....

Putting U.S. Corporate Taxes in Perspective

The U.S. corporate tax burden is smaller than average for developed countries.[1]  Corporations in 19 of the member states of the Organization for Economic Co-operation and Development paid 16.1 percent of their profits in taxes between 2000 and 2005, on average, while corporations in the United States paid 13.4 percent.

End Notes:
[1] U.S. Department of the Treasury, “Treasury Conference on Business Taxation and Global Competitiveness: Background Paper,” July 23, 2007, Table 5-3 (giving data on a sample of 19 of the 30 OECD states).  For an international comparison of corporate-level taxes (taxes paid at the corporate level, including, for example, property taxes, labor taxes and contributions, and sales taxes), see: World Bank and PricewaterhouseCoopers, “Paying Taxes 2008: the Global Picture,” http://www.doingbusiness.org/documents/ ... s_2008.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;.  This study compared the corporate-level taxation that a hypothetical company with 60 employees would face in 178 countries.  The study found that the corporate-level taxes the model company would pay, measured as a percentage of its profits, would be higher in 76 other countries (including 15 OECD countries) than in the United States.

http://www.cbpp.org/cms/?fa=view&id=784" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Conks...shitty at reading and math.

Typical klam source: Lefty think tank loaded with former "expert" staffers for the likes of Biden and Kerry. And the queen of do-gooders, Marian Wright Edelman, is on the board.

[kalm]

Conks...shitty at reading and math.

Typical klam source: Lefty think tank loaded with former "expert" staffers for the likes of Biden and Kerry. And the queen of do-gooders, Marian Wright Edelman, is on the board.

Yeah, the treasury department.

[kalm]

klam: since you're obviously not busy, get your ass over to Missoula in time for lunch.

We lose an hour coming over the pass. You could have accommodated us by starting an hour later.

East Pacific NW bias.