Jon Huntsman

[TwinTownBisonFan]

It will be when I run for president, IT.

Z, you'd make a great president, but I think your candidacy will be toast as soon as Donk operatives like TTBF unearth your "TTFKN" vanity tag!

Oddly enough - that was the SECOND thing I thought of...

[Grizalltheway]

It will be when I run for president, IT.

How'd that "30 for 30" campaign promise work out?

"change we can believe in"...

That thread seems to have disappeared into thin air...

[AZGrizFan]

How'd that "30 for 30" campaign promise work out?

"change we can believe in"...

That thread seems to have disappeared into thin air...

Oh, kick a man when he's down. I see how you fuckin' donks are.

I'm still down 10.5 lbs...but I've had a rough week, ya bastards.

[Bronco]

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Huntsman was endorsed by Howard Dean..nuff said

He would make a better Dem candidate that the guy currently downgrading the country.

[Grizalltheway]

That thread seems to have disappeared into thin air...

Oh, kick a man when he's down. I see how you fuckin' donks are.

I'm still down 10.5 lbs...but I've had a rough week, ya bastards.

We tease because we care, Z.

[AZGrizFan]

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Huntsman was endorsed by Howard Dean..nuff said

He would make a better Dem candidate that the guy currently downgrading the country.

And I voted for Al Gore once in a presidential primary. What's your point? People make mistakes...people change.

[HI54UNI]

So is/was Obama, and we've managed to avoid it so far. You're NEVER going to agree with everything a candidate stands for.

THIS. Perfection is not attainable.

I realize that. Just thought it odd that you would cite his positions on energy when he was a supporter of cap and trade. Does that mean you support cap and trade?

[polsongrizz]

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Huntsman was endorsed by Howard Dean..nuff said

He would make a better Dem candidate that the guy currently downgrading the country.

Whats your point, teabagger savior Mr texass perry campaigned for Al Gore. nuff said

[BDKJMU]

I've never met a Morman. What's their deal? Why don't people like em.

10. The earth is 7,000 years old. There is no official statement by the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints about the age of the earth, but many Mormons (and many Christians of some sects) believe that the age of the earth is on the order of thousands of years rather than billions calculated by widely accepted scientific methods.

9. Mars and Venus have dry rivers. The dry rivers on Mars and Venus were the source of the flowing rivers on earth. The theory is that the dry rivers on Mars and Venus \”match\” the rivers on Earth and that proves that all three planets were organized from the same source.

8. Dinosaur bones come from other planets. LDS Church Institute instructors teach that fossilized dinosaur bones are from creatures that lived on other worlds that were destroyed in the creation of the earth.

7. Mormon scripture teaches that Cain, who killed his brother Abel, was so evil that God \”cursed\” him with black skin, thus creating the African race. In a related belief, though the LDS church has deemed any worthy male to be part of the priesthood, black males were not recognized in this capacity until 1978.

6. In cases of the sin of murder, the murder of the sinner and the mixing of his blood with the earth bring forgiveness. In 1977 after the U.S. Supreme Court reinstated the death penalty, Gary Gilmore chose to be executed by firing squad in Utah due to his belief in blood atonement.

5. In 1960, The Prophet Spencer W. Kimball taught that when Native Americans become Mormons their skin turns white. He said \”The [Indian] children in the home placement program in Utah are often lighter than their brothers and sisters in the hogans on the reservation.\”

4. Also on the subject of Native Americans, the preface to the Book of Mormon from 1981 indicates that descendents of Lehi are a \”remnant of the House of Israel\” and were ancestors to American Indians. However, the DNA of Native Americans indicates an Asian origin.

3. When a marriage is sealed in the Temple, a husband can know his wife\’s celestial name, but she cannot know his. This is so that if he so chooses, he can resurrect her after her death by calling her celestial name.

2. Mormons believe that after the resurrection, Jesus visited America and there he performed miracles and taught.

1. Kolub is a star mentioned in the Book of Abraham as being closest to the throne of God. The Book of Abraham is canonized by the LDS church, Mormon fundamentalist organizations, and other LDS sects. Kolub inspired \”Kobol\” in Mormon Glen A. Larson\’s Battlestar Galactica universe.

Add to that that they go through every obituary page they can and baptize the dead into their church.

Got a link for all this drivel?

[BDKJMU]

Problems with Huntsman:

-Worked for Obama

-For Cap and Tax
"....The Moderator said, "Governor, to the dismay of conservatives in the state legislature you recently signed Utah on to the Western Climate Initiative. Now, eventually this will include a carbon emission cap-and-trade program some legislators believe could lead to higher utility costs and stifle business growth. How do you balance protection of the environment with protection of the economy, especially in these hard economic times?"

HUNTSMAN: In order to get to the heart and soul of carbon emission -- which is a problem, because it leads to polluted skies and air quality problems and climate change -- we must put a value on carbon. Until we put a value on carbon, we're never gonna be able to get serious about dealing with climate change longer term. Now, putting a value on carbon either suggests that you go to a carbon tax or you get a cap-and-trade system underway. When I speak of "sustainability," I talk about ultimately a cap-and-trade system.
http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/daily/ ... guest.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

-He's for the individual mandate at the state level. Not sure about the fed level (Problem with Romney, too) Start of video: "I'm comfortable with a requirement"[youtube][/youtube]

-Soft voice: just do a search with "Huntsman, soft voice"

Positive for Huntsman: He has just released an economic plan that is receiving praise from conservative circles:

Republican Presidential candidate and former Utah Governor Jon Huntsman is lagging in the polls, but the economic agenda he rolled out this week may start getting him more attention. And deservedly so.

The heart of the plan lowers all tax rates on individuals and businesses. Mr. Huntsman would create three personal income tax rates—8%, 14% and 23%—and pay for this in a "revenue-neutral" way by eliminating "all deductions and credits." This tracks with the proposals of the bipartisan Bowles-Simpson commission and others for a flatter, more efficient tax system.

That means economically inefficient tax carve outs for mortgage interest, municipal bonds, child credits and green energy subsidies would at last be closed. The double tax on capital gains and dividends would be expunged as would the Alternative Minimum Tax. The corporate tax rate falls to 25% from 35%, and American businesses would be taxed on a territorial system to encourage firms to return capital parked in overseas operations.

Mr. Huntsman would repeal two of President Obama's most economically debilitating creations, ObamaCare and the Dodd-Frank financial regulation law. Mr. Huntsman has it right when he says, "Dodd-Frank perpetuates 'too big to fail' by codifying a regime that incentivizes firms to become too big to fail." He'd also repeal a Bush-era regulatory mistake, the Sarbanes-Oxley accounting rules, which have added millions of dollars of costs to businesses with little positive effect.

Mr. Huntsman says he'd also bring to heel the hyper-regulators at the Environmental Protection Agency, Food and Drug Administration and the National Labor Relations Board, all of which are suppressing job-creation. The Huntsman energy policy promises to block impediments to producing oil in the Gulf of Mexico and Alaska (see editorial above), while encouraging the safe deployment of fracking for natural gas in the states. Mr. Huntsman dabbled with green energy subsidies as Governor when those were the political fashion, but perhaps he's learned watching the failures of the last two years.

Mr. Huntsman's proposal is as impressive as any to date in the GOP Presidential field, and certainly better than what we've seen from the front-runners. Perhaps Mr. Huntsman should be asked to give the Republican response to the President's jobs speech next week. The two views of what makes an economy grow could not be more different.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142 ... nomic+Plan" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Would I vote for Huntsman in the Republican primary? No. Would I vote for him over Obama? Does a Bear sh*t in the woods?

[polsongrizz]

Got a link for all this drivel?

Do some work yourself for christs sake, its not that hard.

[Bronco]

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Huntsman was endorsed by Howard Dean..nuff said

He would make a better Dem candidate that the guy currently downgrading the country.

Whats your point, teabagger savior Mr texass perry campaigned for Al Gore. nuff said

it's a good thing when former dems see the light and come over from the dark side. Ronald R and Perry did the same thing and look how great that was for the country.

I still hold out hope for you my friend.

[kalm]

Huntsman, Johnson, and probably Ron Paul are DOA. They pose too much of a threat to the establishment. Perry and Mitt are perfect for this, just like Obama.

[D1B]

10. The earth is 7,000 years old. There is no official statement by the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints about the age of the earth, but many Mormons (and many Christians of some sects) believe that the age of the earth is on the order of thousands of years rather than billions calculated by widely accepted scientific methods.

9. Mars and Venus have dry rivers. The dry rivers on Mars and Venus were the source of the flowing rivers on earth. The theory is that the dry rivers on Mars and Venus \”match\” the rivers on Earth and that proves that all three planets were organized from the same source.

8. Dinosaur bones come from other planets. LDS Church Institute instructors teach that fossilized dinosaur bones are from creatures that lived on other worlds that were destroyed in the creation of the earth.

7. Mormon scripture teaches that Cain, who killed his brother Abel, was so evil that God \”cursed\” him with black skin, thus creating the African race. In a related belief, though the LDS church has deemed any worthy male to be part of the priesthood, black males were not recognized in this capacity until 1978.

6. In cases of the sin of murder, the murder of the sinner and the mixing of his blood with the earth bring forgiveness. In 1977 after the U.S. Supreme Court reinstated the death penalty, Gary Gilmore chose to be executed by firing squad in Utah due to his belief in blood atonement.

5. In 1960, The Prophet Spencer W. Kimball taught that when Native Americans become Mormons their skin turns white. He said \”The [Indian] children in the home placement program in Utah are often lighter than their brothers and sisters in the hogans on the reservation.\”

4. Also on the subject of Native Americans, the preface to the Book of Mormon from 1981 indicates that descendents of Lehi are a \”remnant of the House of Israel\” and were ancestors to American Indians. However, the DNA of Native Americans indicates an Asian origin.

3. When a marriage is sealed in the Temple, a husband can know his wife\’s celestial name, but she cannot know his. This is so that if he so chooses, he can resurrect her after her death by calling her celestial name.

2. Mormons believe that after the resurrection, Jesus visited America and there he performed miracles and taught.

1. Kolub is a star mentioned in the Book of Abraham as being closest to the throne of God. The Book of Abraham is canonized by the LDS church, Mormon fundamentalist organizations, and other LDS sects. Kolub inspired \”Kobol\” in Mormon Glen A. Larson\’s Battlestar Galactica universe.

Add to that that they go through every obituary page they can and baptize the dead into their church.

Your stupid religion is worse.

[bluehenbillk]

Problems with Huntsman:

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Positive for Huntsman: He has just released an economic plan that is receiving praise from conservative circles:

Republican Presidential candidate and former Utah Governor Jon Huntsman is lagging in the polls, but the economic agenda he rolled out this week may start getting him more attention. And deservedly so.

The heart of the plan lowers all tax rates on individuals and businesses. Mr. Huntsman would create three personal income tax rates—8%, 14% and 23%—and pay for this in a "revenue-neutral" way by eliminating "all deductions and credits." This tracks with the proposals of the bipartisan Bowles-Simpson commission and others for a flatter, more efficient tax system.

That means economically inefficient tax carve outs for mortgage interest, municipal bonds, child credits and green energy subsidies would at last be closed. The double tax on capital gains and dividends would be expunged as would the Alternative Minimum Tax. The corporate tax rate falls to 25% from 35%, and American businesses would be taxed on a territorial system to encourage firms to return capital parked in overseas operations.

Mr. Huntsman would repeal two of President Obama's most economically debilitating creations, ObamaCare and the Dodd-Frank financial regulation law. Mr. Huntsman has it right when he says, "Dodd-Frank perpetuates 'too big to fail' by codifying a regime that incentivizes firms to become too big to fail." He'd also repeal a Bush-era regulatory mistake, the Sarbanes-Oxley accounting rules, which have added millions of dollars of costs to businesses with little positive effect.

Mr. Huntsman says he'd also bring to heel the hyper-regulators at the Environmental Protection Agency, Food and Drug Administration and the National Labor Relations Board, all of which are suppressing job-creation. The Huntsman energy policy promises to block impediments to producing oil in the Gulf of Mexico and Alaska (see editorial above), while encouraging the safe deployment of fracking for natural gas in the states. Mr. Huntsman dabbled with green energy subsidies as Governor when those were the political fashion, but perhaps he's learned watching the failures of the last two years.

Mr. Huntsman's proposal is as impressive as any to date in the GOP Presidential field, and certainly better than what we've seen from the front-runners. Perhaps Mr. Huntsman should be asked to give the Republican response to the President's jobs speech next week. The two views of what makes an economy grow could not be more different.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142 ... nomic+Plan" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Would I vote for Huntsman in the Republican primary? No. Would I vote for him over Obama? Does a Bear sh*t in the woods?

Thanks for recapping some of the really good things about Huntsman. I think he did OK last night in the debate but needs to separate or distinguish himself more from Perry & Romney than he has so far. I like everything he says up here except the "drill baby drill" crap which has to stop. Thimking we can "out-oil" the Middle East is not the right plan. The right plan is how can we convert cars to run on natural resources we do have in abundance like natural gas or electricity and you can cut the Middle East all friggin together. But that would be pissong off Big Oil which owns the GOP.

[Ivytalk]

THIS. Perfection is not attainable.

I realize that. Just thought it odd that you would cite his positions on energy when he was a supporter of cap and trade. Does that mean you support cap and trade?

Nope! Mike Castle did, and it might have cost him the election against O'Donnell. That said, Huntsman is every Donk's favorite Republican these days.

[Ivytalk]

Huntsman, Johnson, and probably Ron Paul are DOA. They pose too much of a threat to the establishment. Perry and Mitt are perfect for this, just like Obama.

Perfect, because they all -- even Obama -- believe that corporations are people too!

[kalm]

Huntsman, Johnson, and probably Ron Paul are DOA. They pose too much of a threat to the establishment. Perry and Mitt are perfect for this, just like Obama.

Perfect, because they all -- even Obama -- believe that corporations are people too!

Congratulations! You're starting to get it.

[Ivytalk]

Perfect, because they all -- even Obama -- believe that corporations are people too!

Congratulations! You're starting to get it.

Not really. Delaware law practice reinforces the same conclusion.

Anyway, since I had Phillies-Braves tickets last night, I opted out of the big debate. Did I miss anything?

[kalm]

Congratulations! You're starting to get it.

Not really. Delaware law practice reinforces the same conclusion.

Anyway, since I had Phillies-Braves tickets last night, I opted out of the big debate. Did I miss anything?

So conk judges in Delaware are as dopey and irrational as conk judges on the scotus. Got it.

[Ivytalk]

Not really. Delaware law practice reinforces the same conclusion.

Anyway, since I had Phillies-Braves tickets last night, I opted out of the big debate. Did I miss anything?

So conk judges in Delaware are as dopey and irrational as conk judges on the scotus. Got it.

Objection: nonresponsive. Move to strike.

Sustained. Answer the question, Mr. kalm.

[kalm]

So conk judges in Delaware are as dopey and irrational as conk judges on the scotus. Got it.

Objection: nonresponsive. Move to strike.

Sustained. Answer the question, Mr. kalm.

Dunno. I was playing golf with a bunch of corporations last night.

[Ivytalk]

Objection: nonresponsive. Move to strike.

Sustained. Answer the question, Mr. kalm.

Dunno. I was playing golf with a bunch of corporations last night.

So don't get all pissy, just because GE holed out from that bunker on 18.

[BDKJMU]

Got a link for all this drivel?

Do some work yourself for christs sake, its not that hard.

That's not my job, its yours. You want people to believe any of that drivel you posted as true, provide a link.

[Grizalltheway]

Do some work yourself for christs sake, its not that hard.

That's not my job, its yours. You want people to believe any of that drivel you posted as true, provide a link.

Here's a starter for you:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beliefs_an ... day_Saints" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;