Steele high on Portland State-One reason why

[EWURanger]

Why did Portland State pull the plug on Hubel ? It was bizarre to see how good he was early in his career and then Portland State just kept demoting him. I realize they've ditched the run-and-shoot for the pistol, but when you have a kid that can sling it like Hubel could, why not find a way to make him fit in the offense?

Injury, I think.

[JALMOND]

Why did Portland State pull the plug on Hubel ? It was bizarre to see how good he was early in his career and then Portland State just kept demoting him. I realize they've ditched the run-and-shoot for the pistol, but when you have a kid that can sling it like Hubel could, why not find a way to make him fit in the offense?

He's been hit with the injury bug of late. Sat out all last year after having shoulder surgery. That said, he is a prototypical run and shoot quarterback while Kavanaugh is more suited for the pistol. Hubel's running ability has most of his teammates calling him "Big Bird" and justifiably so. Word is on the street that, while Kavanaugh is number 1 on the QB depth chart, Hubel is not that far behind him. Funny in that, even with the competition, both are roommates and great friends off the field.

Don't look for Hubel to throw the ball 60-70 times in a game anymore. His shoulder may not be able to take it. But he can still chuck it pretty far out.

[SuperHornet]

Just looked up the Wiki for the pistol. I knew it was some sort of spread involving a back or two near a Shotgun QB. Well, it's like a cross between the Shotgun and the I.

I know Wiki sometimes leaves a lot to be desired, so I guess this is one of those times. They show a diagram and label it the "pistol formation." (It shows the offense set strong right with a flanker over that way and a slot left.) Yet further down in the article, they mention some of the tweaks an offense can throw in. Perhaps I'm being a bit technical with this (in the Navy, we'd call it "nuking" an idea), but I'd prefer to call it a Doubles Right (or maybe Twins Right depending on playbook terminology) with Pistol personnel. Other than the change of personnel, it's the same bloody formation one would see in an Ace back set.

[kalm]

Just looked up the Wiki for the pistol. I knew it was some sort of spread involving a back or two near a Shotgun QB. Well, it's like a cross between the Shotgun and the I.

I know Wiki sometimes leaves a lot to be desired, so I guess this is one of those times. They show a diagram and label it the "pistol formation." (It shows the offense set strong right with a flanker over that way and a slot left.) Yet further down in the article, they mention some of the tweaks an offense can throw in. Perhaps I'm being a bit technical with this (in the Navy, we'd call it "nuking" an idea), but I'd prefer to call it a Doubles Right (or maybe Twins Right depending on playbook terminology) with Pistol personnel. Other than the change of personnel, it's the same bloody formation one would see in an Ace back set.

I love it when Frank the Tank goes unconscious.

[EWURanger]

Other than the change of personnel, it's the same bloody formation one would see in an Ace back set.

Kinda. It utilizes some fundamentals of the Ace and the Shotgun, but the backs are closer to the LOS than in the SG, so the RB attacks the hole a lot quicker. I haven't really studied how PSU runs it (they abandoned it after a couple series last year), but I know Nevada runs a lot of Read-Option out of it and is very effective running it. TE's are a huge component of the Pistol, both in the passing and run games. Nevada's big TE killed us last year when we played them.

[JALMOND]

Other than the change of personnel, it's the same bloody formation one would see in an Ace back set.

Kinda. It utilizes some fundamentals of the Ace and the Shotgun, but the backs are closer to the LOS than in the SG, so the RB attacks the hole a lot quicker. I haven't really studied how PSU runs it (they abandoned it after a couple series last year), but I know Nevada runs a lot of Read-Option out of it and is very effective running it. TE's are a huge component of the Pistol, both in the passing and run games. Nevada's big TE killed us last year when we played them.

The type that Portland State runs is a hybrid developed by Chris Ault, the longtime coach at Nevada. The typical shotgun formation that the pistol is based on usually uses one running back on a side of the quarterback, who is typically four to five steps from the scrimmage line. In the pistol, there are usually two running backs on either side of the quarterback, who is usually two steps from the scrimmage line. Flexibility in the play calling usually allows the quarterback to read the defenses and adjust at scrimmage.

TE's play a big part in the pistol and the shotgun which is where we needed to improve. TE's are not even a designated position in the run and shoot. We took our TE from the basketball team last year and he went on to be a fourth round pick (Julius Thomas selected by Denver).

The Oregonian ran a spot during fall ball last year to introduce Portlanders to the pistol offense. This is what I remember. If I find the link, I'll post it.