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A U.S. serviceman is in custody after he allegedly admitted he was planning an attack on the U.S. Army base at Fort Hood, Texas, the same base where 13 people were killed in a 2009 terror attack.

U.S. officials told ABC News an AWOL serviceman, identified by the FBI as a Private First Class Naser Jason Abdo, was arrested Wednesday after making a purchase at Guns Galore in Killeen, Texas, the same ammunition store where Maj. Nidal Hasan purchased the weapons he allegedly used to gun down 13 people and wound 32 others on Nov. 5, 2009.
Abdo told ABC News in 2010 he was Muslim and should not have to participate in what he called an "unjust war" in the Middle East.

"Any Muslim who knows his religion or maybe takes into account what his religion says can find out very clearly why he should not participate in the U.S. military," Abdo said then.
Did he get drafted or something? He's 21, and I'm pretty sure we've had involvement in the Middle East since before he was 18.
Abdo had filed for conscientious objector status, which had been approved by the Secretary of the Army, but his discharge was put on hold after Abdo was charged with having child pornography on his computer, an Army spokesperson told ABC News.
Maybe not quite as devout as he would have everyone believe.
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I'd say he's pretty devout and is merely following the example of the Prophet Mohammed, a notorious pedophile.
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The religion of peace :roll:
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BDKJMU wrote:The religion of peace :roll:

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dbackjon wrote:
BDKJMU wrote:The religion of peace :roll:

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BDKJMU wrote:
dbackjon wrote:

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And your point is?

Same as yours!
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BDKJMU wrote:
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And your point is?
He wasn't a Christian. Nice try though :roll: - fail.
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It's is a beautiful religion of peace.
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BDKJMU wrote:
BDKJMU wrote:
And your point is?
He wasn't a Christian. Nice try though :roll: - fail.

He claims to be - just like this guy claims to be a Muslim.


I know most right-wingers are hypocrits of the highest order, but this is breath-taking.
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BDKJMU wrote:
BDKJMU wrote:
And your point is?
He wasn't a Christian. Nice try though :roll: - fail.
Of course not.
His ideology appears to be a form of reactionary Christian fundamentalism, fuelled by hatred of Islam, Marxism and non-whites
Face it, the dude is right wing, fundamentalist, Islamophobic, Bible-toting nut job. Just the kind of guy you and native look up to. :ohno: :ohno:
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"Terrorist proclaimed himself 'Darwinian,' not 'Christian'
Norwegian's manifesto shows Breivik not religious, having no personal faith


WASHINGTON – A review of Anders Behring Breivik's 1,500-page manifesto shows the media's quick characterization of the Norwegian terrorist as a "Christian" may be as incorrect as it was to call Oklahoma City bomber Timothy McVeigh one.......

....Piecing together Breivik's various posts on the Internet, many media reports have characterized the terrorist – who says he was upset over the multiculturalist policies stemming from Norway's Labour Party – as a "right-wing, Christian fundamentalist."

Yet, while McVeigh rejected God altogether, Breivik writes in his manifesto that he is not religious, has doubts about God's existence, does not pray, but does assert the primacy of Europe's "Christian culture" as well as his own pagan Nordic culture.

Breivik instead hails Charles Darwin, whose evolutionary theories stand in contrast to the claims of the Bible, and affirms: "As for the Church and science, it is essential that science takes an undisputed precedence over biblical teachings. Europe has always been the cradle of science, and it must always continue to be that way. Regarding my personal relationship with God, I guess I'm not an excessively religious man. I am first and foremost a man of logic. However, I am a supporter of a monocultural Christian Europe."

The terrorist also candidly admits he finds no support within either the Catholic or Protestant churches for his violent ideas.

"I trust that the future leadership of a European cultural conservative hegemony in Europe will ensure that the current Church leadership are replaced and the systems somewhat reformed," he writes. "We must have a Church leadership who supports a future Crusade with the intention of liberating the Balkans, Anatolia and creating three Christian states in the Middle East. Efforts should be made to facilitate the de-construction of the Protestant Church whose members should convert back to Catholicism. The Protestant Church had an important role once, but its original goals have been accomplished and have contributed to reform the Catholic Church as well. Europe should have a united Church lead [sic] by a just and non-suicidal pope who is willing to fight for the security of his subjects, especially in regards to Islamic atrocities."....

.....Breivik also points out that his association with Christian cultural values is one of political expedience rather than religious commitment or faith

"My choice has nothing to do with the fact that I am not proud of my own traditions and heritage," he explains. "My choice was based purely pragmatism. All Europeans are in this boat together, so we must choose a more moderate platform that can appeal to a great number of Europeans – preferably up to 50 percent (realistically up to 35 percent)."

Breivik also claims membership in the Freemasons, which many Christians consider to be a cultic organization.

More specifically, he calls himself a Justiciar Knight and explains what that means insofar as belief in Christianity:

"As this is a cultural war, our definition of being a Christian does not necessarily constitute that you are required to have a personal relationship with God or Jesus," he writes. "Being a Christian can mean many things; That you believe in and want to protect Europe's Christian cultural heritage. The European cultural heritage, our norms (moral codes and social structures included), our traditions and our modern political systems are based on Christianity – Protestantism, Catholicism, Orthodox Christianity and the legacy of the European enlightenment (reason is the primary source and legitimacy for authority). It is not required that you have a personal relationship with God or Jesus in order to fight for our Christian cultural heritage and the European way. In many ways, our modern societies and European secularism is a result of European Christendom and the enlightenment. It is therefore essential to understand the difference between a 'Christian fundamentalist theocracy' (everything we do not want) and a secular European society based on our Christian cultural heritage (what we do want). So no, you don't need to have a personal relationship with God or Jesus to fight for our Christian cultural heritage. It is enough that you are a Christian-agnostic or a Christian atheist (an atheist who wants to preserve at least the basics of the European Christian cultural legacy (Christian holidays, Christmas and Easter)). The PCCTS, Knights Templar is therefore not a religious organisation [sic] but rather a Christian 'culturalist' military order."

Over and over again, Breivik goes out of his way to make clear to readers of his manifesto that he is not motivated by Christian faith.

"I'm not going to pretend I'm a very religious person, as that would be a lie," he says. "I've always been very pragmatic and influenced by my secular surroundings and environment. In the past, I remember I used to think: 'Religion is a crutch for weak people. What is the point in believing in a higher power if you have confidence in yourself!? Pathetic.' Perhaps this is true for many cases. Religion is a crutch for many weak people, and many embrace religion for self-serving reasons as a source for drawing mental strength (to feed their weak emotional state [for] example during illness, death, poverty etc.). Since I am not a hypocrite, I'll say directly that this is my agenda as well. However, I have not yet felt the need to ask God for strength, yet.""
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Since you'all are going to attack WND as a right wing rag, from CNN:
Is 'Christian fundamentalist' label correct for Norway terror suspect?

But experts on European politics and religion say that the Christian fundamentalist label could overstate the extent to which the suspect, Anders Behring Breivik - who has told authorities that he carried out the attacks - was motivated by religion, and the extent to which he is tied to a broader religious movement.

"It is true that he sees himself as a crusader and some sort of Templar knight," said Marcus Buck, a political science professor at Norway's University of Tromso, referring to an online manifesto that Breivik appears to have authored and which draws inspiration from medieval Christian crusaders.

"But he doesn't seem to have any insight into Christian theology or any ideas of how the Christian faith should play any role in Norwegian or European society," Buck wrote in an email message. "His links to Christianity are much more based on being against Islam and what he perceives of as 'cultural Marxism.'"

From what the 1,500-page manifesto says, Breivik appears to have been motivated more by an extreme loathing of European multiculturalism that has accompanied rapid immigration from the developing world, and of the European Union's growing powers, than by Christianity.

"My impression is that Christianity is used more as a vehicle to unjustly assign some religious moral weight," to his political views, said Anders Romarheim, a fellow at the Norwegian Institute for Defence Studies. "It is a signifier of Western culture and values, which is what they pretend to defend."

"I would say they are more anti-Islam than pro-Christian," Romarheim said in reference to what appear to be Breivik's views.

The manifesto is religion-obsessed in that it rants for long stretches against Muslims and their growing presence in Europe.

It calls for a European civil war to overthrow governments, end multiculturalism and execute "cultural Marxists." The manifesto includes a link to a video asserting that the majority of Europe's population will be Muslim by 2050 "unless we manage to defeat the ruling Multiculturalist Alliance."

The author of the document identifies himself as Breivik, but CNN could not independently verify that he wrote the document, and Norwegian authorities would not confirm that the man in their custody wrote the manifesto, saying it was part of their investigation

Opposition to booming Muslim immigration to Europe, exacerbated by high birth rates in the Muslim community, has become a mainstay of Europe's burgeoning far-right, helping right-wing parties gain seats in parliaments across the continent.

But those right-wing movements are mostly secular. Europe's hard right does not have deep ties to Christianity in the way that the United States' conservative movement is entwined with evangelical Christianity and other theologically conservative religious movements......

"He was a flaky extremist who might as well have claimed to be fighting for the honor of Hogwarts as for the cause of Christ," said Philip Jenkins, a Pennsylvania State University professor who studies global religion and politics, describing the suspected Norway attacker. "He did not represent a religious movement. ... People should not follow that Christian fundamentalist red herring."......."

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Grizalltheway wrote:
BDKJMU wrote:
He wasn't a Christian. Nice try though :roll: - fail.
Of course not.
His ideology appears to be a form of reactionary Christian fundamentalism, fuelled by hatred of Islam, Marxism and non-whites
Face it, the dude is right wing, fundamentalist, Islamophobic, Bible-toting nut job. Just the kind of guy you and native look up to. :ohno: :ohno:
Wrong on the bible toting part jack.
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We have warned you for years about the muslim and his plans for all 'infidels'. You have chosen not to listen and allow this cult of death to create a bridgehead into the 'late united states'. I wonder where our resident child porn and muslim apologist is on this issue. I think I have a pretty good idea of his response.


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BDKJMU wrote:
Grizalltheway wrote:
Of course not.



Face it, the dude is right wing, fundamentalist, Islamophobic, Bible-toting nut job. Just the kind of guy you and native look up to. :ohno: :ohno:
Wrong on the bible toting part jack.
If you read what Brevik wrote, it is apparent that he was anti-religious since he says he is not religious, but is anti-Islam, based upon Islam being anti-everyone else. There is absolutely nothing to indicate he was Bible toting. Sometimes people don't fit into pre-judged boxes Grizalltheway, right wing, Islamophobic certainly, but not fundamenatlist or Bible-toting at all.

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LeadBolt wrote:
BDKJMU wrote:
Wrong on the bible toting part jack.
If you read what Brevik wrote, it is apparent that he was anti-religious since he says he is not religious, but is anti-Islam, based upon Islam being anti-everyone else. There is absolutely nothing to indicate he was Bible toting. Sometimes people don't fit into pre-judged boxes Grizalltheway, right wing, Islamophobic certainly, but not fundamenatlist or Bible-toting at all.

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Grizalltheway wrote:
BDKJMU wrote:
He wasn't a Christian. Nice try though :roll: - fail.
Of course not.
His ideology appears to be a form of reactionary Christian fundamentalism, fuelled by hatred of Islam, Marxism and non-whites
Face it, the dude is right wing, fundamentalist, Islamophobic, Bible-toting nut job. Just the kind of guy you and native look up to. :ohno: :ohno:
Yep, he is. And he speaks for exactly NO ONE else. Unlike the hundreds of thousands of Muslims who are in lock step with the Taliban, the terrorists in seeking to eradicate the entire Western world...yeah. I see the similiarities there. :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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