SanFran has lost it: Ex Cons to be a Protected Class

[D1B]

You're fat.

You're still a virgin, like Superhornet.

[DJH]

Says the 50 year old loser who lives alone and jerks off to midget porn every night.

[D1B]

Says the 50 year old loser who lives alone and jerks off to midget porn every night.

You have no friends, your family is afraid of you and wont allow you around the children unsupervised, and you regularly sniff your mother's panties and masturbate to pictures of Justin Beiber.

[CitadelGrad]

I’m just curious to know if there are exemptions…say like a convicted child molester or pedophile applying for a job at an elementary school.

Regardless, still the most retarded thing I could ever imagine. SF couldn’t fall into the sea fast enough.

The child molesters are being recruited to teach sex ed. classes. Can you think of anyone more qualified?

[bulldog10jw]

You have no friends, your family is afraid of you and wont allow you around the children unsupervised, and you regularly sniff your mother's panties and masturbate to pictures of Justin Beiber.

You say it like that's a bad thing.

[Grizalltheway]

But ex-cons contend they're immediately disqualified by employers and landlords reluctant to trust anyone with a rap sheet.

"People don't want to hire felons," says Monique Love, who served time five years ago on a drug offense.

Fucking amazing how that works, isn't it?

So, what should ex-cons do for the rest of their lives if no one will hire them? Commit more crimes, go back to prison, and waste more taxpayer dollars?

[LeadBolt]

**** amazing how that works, isn't it?

So, what should ex-cons do for the rest of their lives if no one will hire them? Commit more crimes, go back to prison, and waste more taxpayer dollars?

You should give them a job working for you. You can welcome them into your home until they get back on their feet. Individuals should act on their own, not legislate and force others to do it for them.

[Grizalltheway]

So, what should ex-cons do for the rest of their lives if no one will hire them? Commit more crimes, go back to prison, and waste more taxpayer dollars?

You should give them a job working for you. You can welcome them into your home until they get back on their feet. Individuals should act on their own, not legislate and force others to do it for them.

Not saying I agree with the legislation, but it's not hard to see why there are so many repeat and habitual offenders in the system.

[youngterrier]

let me rephrase this.....it seems that no one is rewarded for playing by the rules anymore

[LeadBolt]

You should give them a job working for you. You can welcome them into your home until they get back on their feet. Individuals should act on their own, not legislate and force others to do it for them.

Not saying I agree with the legislation, but it's not hard to see why there are so many repeat and habitual offenders in the system.

Perhaps the SF supervisors should create a municipal jobs and housing program for x-cons to get them back on the right track, rather than legislating that others in the private sector do so. I'm sure they have some public works that need more attention.

[Rob Iola]

I know an ex-con - killed 2 girls while driving under the influence of nitrous oxide (whippets) back in the 80's in Delaware (interesting, yet obviously tragic, case) - smart guy who made a catastrophically bad mistake and paid dearly for it (though not nearly as dearly as the victims and their families). He was able to find gainful employment in a low level role in the banking industry (yeah yeah yeah) through connections and education, but will never be able to advance in his career due to his record. And that's pretty much as it should be.

A criminal's debt to society is only partially paid when they serve their time - they also need to work hard to gain back society's trust, and probably will never be able to make it all the way back. Society should provide them the necessary training, counseling, tools, and supervision, but the onus is on the convict to prove their worth. And society should not be forced to issue a blanket welcoming mat to them, but evaluate on a case by case basis, because for all the grief the criminal is forced to deal with, 9 times out of 10 their victims have far more grief to deal with.

[D1B]

Fucking amazing how that works, isn't it?

So, what should ex-cons do for the rest of their lives if no one will hire them? Commit more crimes, go back to prison, and waste more taxpayer dollars?

Exactly. The vast majority of criminals can be productive members of society if given a little support. The cost of said support is but a minute fraction of what we pay to incarcerate and dehumanize them.

Thanks to fucks like AZ, Tbagger, Hogan and racists like DJH, we're locking everyone up, villifying them and spending a fortune.

[D1B]

I know an ex-con - killed 2 girls while driving under the influence of nitrous oxide (whippets) back in the 80's in Delaware (interesting, yet obviously tragic, case) - smart guy who made a catastrophically bad mistake and paid dearly for it (though not nearly as dearly as the victims and their families). He was able to find gainful employment in a low level role in the banking industry (yeah yeah yeah) through connections and education, but will never be able to advance in his career due to his record. And that's pretty much as it should be.

A criminal's debt to society is only partially paid when they serve their time - they also need to work hard to gain back society's trust, and probably will never be able to make it all the way back. Society should provide them the necessary training, counseling, tools, and supervision, but the onus is on the convict to prove their worth. And society should not be forced to issue a blanket welcoming mat to them, but evaluate on a case by case basis.

Agree with most of this. Excellent post.

[AZGrizFan]

So, what should ex-cons do for the rest of their lives if no one will hire them? Commit more crimes, go back to prison, and waste more taxpayer dollars?

Exactly. The vast majority of criminals can be productive members of society if given a little support. The cost of said support is but a minute fraction of what we pay to incarcerate and dehumanize them.

Thanks to fucks like AZ, Tbagger, Hogan and racists like DJH, we're locking everyone up, villifying them and spending a fortune.

Which is why I'm an advocate of the death penalty. Kill 'em all and let God sort 'em out.

Plus, it would save us a fuck-ton of money.

[D1B]

Exactly. The vast majority of criminals can be productive members of society if given a little support. The cost of said support is but a minute fraction of what we pay to incarcerate and dehumanize them.

Thanks to fucks like AZ, Tbagger, Hogan and racists like DJH, we're locking everyone up, villifying them and spending a fortune.

Which is why I'm an advocate of the death penalty. Kill 'em all and let God sort 'em out.

Plus, it would save us a fuck-ton of money.

How bout legal, safe and free birth control and abortion services, first?

What if your kid made a mistake and killed someone while driving drunk? You would advocate for his or her death?

[DJH]

So, what should ex-cons do for the rest of their lives if no one will hire them? Commit more crimes, go back to prison, and waste more taxpayer dollars?

Exactly. The vast majority of criminals can be productive members of society if given a little support. The cost of said support is but a minute fraction of what we pay to incarcerate and dehumanize them.

That sounds all fine and dandy, and is a good idea in theory, but the reality is that the vast majority of criminals will never be productive members of society.

To try and mandate a law that employers are not allowed to ask if one is a freaking criminal is asinine. May as well create a law where employers are not even allowed to interview people. You will just have to put your name in a hat, and they will have to hire you, because you are surely going to be a good person and a great employee, so why even bother interviewing them to find out?

[AZGrizFan]

Which is why I'm an advocate of the death penalty. Kill 'em all and let God sort 'em out.

Plus, it would save us a fuck-ton of money.

How bout legal, safe and free birth control and abortion services, first?

What if your kid made a mistake and killed someone while driving drunk? You would advocate for his or her death?

I'm pro-choice, dummy.

[D1B]

How bout legal, safe and free birth control and abortion services, first?

What if your kid made a mistake and killed someone while driving drunk? You would advocate for his or her death?

I'm pro-choice, dummy.

How bout the second part?

[D1B]

Exactly. The vast majority of criminals can be productive members of society if given a little support. The cost of said support is but a minute fraction of what we pay to incarcerate and dehumanize them.

That sounds all fine and dandy, and is a good idea in theory, but the reality is that the vast majority of criminals will never be productive members of society.

To try and mandate a law that employers are not allowed to ask if one is a freaking criminal is asinine. May as well create a law where employers are not even allowed to interview people. You will just have to put your name in a hat, and they will have to hire you, because you are surely going to be a good person and a great employee, so why even bother interviewing them to find out?

Understand and agree with some of this, but how do you know they won't be productive members of society?

We havent even tried to address recitivism at the level we need to.

[DJH]

That sounds all fine and dandy, and is a good idea in theory, but the reality is that the vast majority of criminals will never be productive members of society.

To try and mandate a law that employers are not allowed to ask if one is a freaking criminal is asinine. May as well create a law where employers are not even allowed to interview people. You will just have to put your name in a hat, and they will have to hire you, because you are surely going to be a good person and a great employee, so why even bother interviewing them to find out?

Understand and agree with some of this, but how do you know they won't be productive members of society?

We havent even tried to address recitivism at the level we need to.

I don't know that they won't. But, quite frankly, the statistics are very much against that happening.

Its pretty simple, if I have to choose between a felon and a non-felon to employ for my company, I am choosing the non-felon. Wouldn't you?

Life is tougher after you have decided to be a criminal. And it should be!

[houndawg]

Exactly. The vast majority of criminals can be productive members of society if given a little support. The cost of said support is but a minute fraction of what we pay to incarcerate and dehumanize them.

Thanks to **** like AZ, Tbagger, Hogan and racists like DJH, we're locking everyone up, villifying them and spending a fortune.

Which is why I'm an advocate of the death penalty. Kill 'em all and let God sort 'em out.

Plus, it would save us a **** of money.

I don't know if god could be trusted to do that, since he made them criminals in the first place.

[GannonFan]

A lot of arguing about nothing here - most employers do background checks anyway, so the application form doesn't need to indicate whether they are a felon or not - the background check should show it anyway.

[AZGrizFan]

I'm pro-choice, dummy.

How bout the second part?

If the penalty for driving drunk and killing someone was death....and my kid chose to drive drunk and then killed someone....can that REALLY be classified as a "mistake"?

[D1B]

How bout the second part?

If the penalty for driving drunk and killing someone was death....and my kid chose to drive drunk and then killed someone....can that REALLY be classified as a "mistake"?

Maybe. Just answer the question.

[travelinman67]

The SF Human Rights Commission should be disbanded. The are the defacto SS of local govt. agencies. At the state level its the Dept of Fair Employment and Housing. I've already danced with them...to the tune of $24k. Just a pile of egomaniacal greenies flexing their law degree with no accountability.

Tdawg, you've gotten your ass kicked so bad by hippies that you have footprints in your shit.

Maybe you need to go back to school or smoke more weed.

Actually, the "dance" was precipitated by a local code enforcement County employee who'd applied for one of my apartments. Guy was a wife beater, recently divorced, who provided false information on his application. When advised his application was being rejected, he filed a discrimination complaint claiming he was rejected because he had children who would be visiting. Despite tons of factual info to the contrary, the CA Dept of Fair Housing atty said he'd make it go away for $14k ($5k for complainant, $9k for the State), otherwise it'd cost another $21 to go to a hearing: Total hit was $24k.

Just another in a LOOONNNGGG series of lifelong extortions by traitorous govt. employees looking to increase big government's revenue.