Zakaria: The Radicalization of Pakistan’s Military

[Grizalltheway]

Well, I guess that means all of them are thugs, just like all black dudes are, right?

I love the way you oversimplify, GATW. Emblematic of one having insufficient experience with life.

Nice dodge, JJ.

[Ivytalk]

I love the way you oversimplify, GATW. Emblematic of one having insufficient experience with life.

Nice dodge, JJ.

GATW has bought into the Myth of the Majority Peaceful Muslim. Guess you have lots of experience with multiculturalism in Montana.

[Grizalltheway]

Also, I fail to see how banning minarets and burqas will help solve those problems.

And Neville Chamberlin did not see how opposing Hitler would lead to peace either. Remember the Muslims have invaded Europe before.

Nice, you managed to squeeze in a Hitler analogy before the second page.

[LeadBolt]

And Neville Chamberlin did not see how opposing Hitler would lead to peace either. Remember the Muslims have invaded Europe before.

Nice, you managed to squeeze in a Hitler analogy before the second page.

The radical Muslims in the mideast, particularly the Baathists were allied with Hitler and still use many of his methods in indoctrinating their followers.

[YoUDeeMan]

I'm not saying radical Islamists aren't a threat, I'm saying they aren't going to rise up as one and take over the western world, like Fox News and friends would have us believe.

Sure they will...if they are allowed.

I understand that you like to believe that most Muslims are nice folks and that radical Islamists would leave the US alone if we would just stop interfering with their plans for the Middle East (and Asia, and Europe, the moon, the Milky Way and all the universes) but that simply isn't true.

"Radical" Islamists obviously have issues with anything that involves Western culture...it is counter to everything they believe. The U.S. just happens to be the biggest symbol...the anti-Christ...er...anti-Allah that must be destroyed. But everyday normal conservative Islamists would rather get rid of Western culture as well. Doubt that? Take a look at the Middle East and compare their laws and freedoms to western culture. If libs like to believe that Christian conservatives are a bunch of closed-minded morons...just wait until Islam becomes a more popular religion in the U.S.

Is Saudi Arabia a radical jihad state or a conservative Muslim state? They seem to be our friends...and they are supposedly helping us fight radicals. But few people call them radical. However, this is just pure Islamic beauty practiced not by a couple of radicals, but a nation.

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And Delta is playing their game.

The problem with most "nice" Muslim folks is that they really don't understand or practice their religion and yet they will often empathize with their fellow Islamists if there is a squabble with an outsider. Hey, everbody does it...yet libs love to criticize the entrenched, "conservative" attitudes of Western culture while granting a pass to the Muslim world. And as people continue to look the other way, Islam continues to gain ground...and radical Islam comes with the territory.

[Grizalltheway]

Nice, you managed to squeeze in a Hitler analogy before the second page.

The radical Muslims in the mideast, particularly the Baathists were allied with Hitler and still use many of his methods in indoctrinating their followers.

You know, IT mentioned the "mythical peaceful majority". So, if that doesn't exist, I must be missing the 500 million + Muslims who are hell bent on seeing the Western world as we know it destroyed.

[YoUDeeMan]

The radical Muslims in the mideast, particularly the Baathists were allied with Hitler and still use many of his methods in indoctrinating their followers.

You know, IT mentioned the "mythical peaceful majority". So, if that doesn't exist, I must be missing the 500 million + Muslims who are hell bent on seeing the Western world as we know it destroyed.

Of course most Muslims aren't bent on destroying the Western world. Most Muslims are trying to focus on feeding their kids and surviving life...just like most other people on the planet.

But during WWII, all 132,000,000 Americans didn't directly fight the bad guys. It just took a few million men to fight while millions more were whipped into support roles. However, most people at home just tried to survive and live as normal life as possible the battle raged...most never having seen or interacted with, the "enemy".

[Grizalltheway]

You know, IT mentioned the "mythical peaceful majority". So, if that doesn't exist, I must be missing the 500 million + Muslims who are hell bent on seeing the Western world as we know it destroyed.

Of course most Muslims aren't bent on destroying the Western world. Most Muslims are trying to focus on feeding their kids and surviving life...just like most other people on the planet.

But during WWII, all 132,000,000 Americans didn't directly fight the bad guys. It just took a few million men to fight while millions more were whipped into support roles. However, most people at home just tried to survive and live as normal life as possible the battle raged...most never having seen or interacted with, the "enemy".

Right. So, let's worry about the elements within Islam that actually ARE a threat to our national security, and stop with all the demonizing bullshit.

As far as Europe is concerned, they either need to learn to live with the influx of eastern Europeans and Muslims, or completely shut down their borders, and face the prospect of their population shrinking over time. Simple as that.

[LeadBolt]

Of course most Muslims aren't bent on destroying the Western world. Most Muslims are trying to focus on feeding their kids and surviving life...just like most other people on the planet.

But during WWII, all 132,000,000 Americans didn't directly fight the bad guys. It just took a few million men to fight while millions more were whipped into support roles. However, most people at home just tried to survive and live as normal life as possible the battle raged...most never having seen or interacted with, the "enemy".

Right. So, let's worry about the elements within Islam that actually ARE a threat to our national security, and stop with all the demonizing bullshit.

As far as Europe is concerned, they either need to learn to live with the influx of eastern Europeans and Muslims, or completely shut down their borders, and face the prospect of their population shrinking over time. Simple as that.

You really haven't studied Islam have you? The reason that the moderate peaceful Muslims have no impact on radical Islamists is that the radical Islamists are the ones practicing their religion as CU said. You can not tolerate that which would destroy you. It's like having cancer and not treating it. The ones that are the problem outnumber us. Mohammed was clear on Islam's role in conqueroring the earth and either killing or subjugating all non believers. Even the morality of the Quran draws a distinction between believers of Islam and non believers as far as killing and telling the truth. You need to open your mind and study, not be captive to your uneducated feelings.

[houndawg]

Right. So, let's worry about the elements within Islam that actually ARE a threat to our national security, and stop with all the demonizing bullshit.

As far as Europe is concerned, they either need to learn to live with the influx of eastern Europeans and Muslims, or completely shut down their borders, and face the prospect of their population shrinking over time. Simple as that.

You really haven't studied Islam have you? The reason that the moderate peaceful Muslims have no impact on radical Islamists is that the radical Islamists are the ones practicing their religion as CU said. You can not tolerate that which would destroy you. It's like having cancer and not treating it. The ones that are the problem outnumber us. Mohammed was clear on Islam's role in conqueroring the earth and either killing or subjugating all non believers. Even the morality of the Quran draws a distinction between believers of Islam and non believers as far as killing and telling the truth. You need to open your mind and study, not be captive to your uneducated feelings.

All religions are superstitious nonsense.

[houndawg]

Also, I fail to see how banning minarets and burqas will help solve those problems.

And Neville Chamberlin did not see how opposing Hitler would lead to peace either. Remember the Muslims have invaded Europe before.

The Crusades.

[LeadBolt]

And Neville Chamberlin did not see how opposing Hitler would lead to peace either. Remember the Muslims have invaded Europe before.

The Crusades.

Which were in response to the armies of Islam invading and conquering the Holy Lands first, were they not?

[kalm]

Right. So, let's worry about the elements within Islam that actually ARE a threat to our national security, and stop with all the demonizing bullshit.

As far as Europe is concerned, they either need to learn to live with the influx of eastern Europeans and Muslims, or completely shut down their borders, and face the prospect of their population shrinking over time. Simple as that.

You really haven't studied Islam have you? The reason that the moderate peaceful Muslims have no impact on radical Islamists is that the radical Islamists are the ones practicing their religion as CU said. You can not tolerate that which would destroy you. It's like having cancer and not treating it. The ones that are the problem outnumber us. Mohammed was clear on Islam's role in conqueroring the earth and either killing or subjugating all non believers. Even the morality of the Quran draws a distinction between believers of Islam and non believers as far as killing and telling the truth. You need to open your mind and study, not be captive to your uneducated feelings.

Calm down there LB. Radicals are a threat for sure, but GATW was correct in pointing that it's not a world wide monolithic movement. Much of the anti-western crap and terrorism has come from the followers of Qtub who are a very vocal and dangerous, but small group. The Taliban are angry backwards hayseeds who couldn't spell the word western or find it on a map. Most of the middle eastern resentment comes from oil based and strategic intervention - see Moussadegh. Christ, the Sunnis and Shiites can't stop hating each other long enough to join forces and subjugate the free world. As for the Indonesians, who the fuck knows or cares.

[LeadBolt]

You really haven't studied Islam have you? The reason that the moderate peaceful Muslims have no impact on radical Islamists is that the radical Islamists are the ones practicing their religion as CU said. You can not tolerate that which would destroy you. It's like having cancer and not treating it. The ones that are the problem outnumber us. Mohammed was clear on Islam's role in conqueroring the earth and either killing or subjugating all non believers. Even the morality of the Quran draws a distinction between believers of Islam and non believers as far as killing and telling the truth. You need to open your mind and study, not be captive to your uneducated feelings.

Calm down there LB. Radicals are a threat for sure, but GATW was correct in pointing that it's not a world wide monolithic movement. Much of the anti-western crap and terrorism has come from the followers of Qtub who are a very vocal and dangerous, but small group. The Taliban are angry backwards hayseeds who couldn't spell the word western or find it on a map. Most of the middle eastern resentment comes from oil based and strategic intervention - see Moussadegh. Christ, the Sunnis and Shiites can't stop hating each other long enough to join forces and subjugate the free world. As for the Indonesians, who the **** knows or cares.

Kalm, obviously it is not monolithic and I stated that earlier. But the fact that there are 1.5-1.6 peaceful Muslims is largely irrelevant when dealing with the 300-400 million radical Islamists, as was clearly stated by Colonel/Congressman West the link to which I have posted. Have you read the Quran?

[kalm]

Calm down there LB. Radicals are a threat for sure, but GATW was correct in pointing that it's not a world wide monolithic movement. Much of the anti-western crap and terrorism has come from the followers of Qtub who are a very vocal and dangerous, but small group. The Taliban are angry backwards hayseeds who couldn't spell the word western or find it on a map. Most of the middle eastern resentment comes from oil based and strategic intervention - see Moussadegh. Christ, the Sunnis and Shiites can't stop hating each other long enough to join forces and subjugate the free world. As for the Indonesians, who the **** knows or cares.

Kalm, obviously it is not monolithic and I stated that earlier. But the fact that there are 1.5-1.6 peaceful Muslims is largely irrelevant when dealing with the 300-400 million radical Islamists, as was clearly stated by Colonel/Congressman West the link to which I have posted. Have you read the Quran?

No, do I need to?

[LeadBolt]

Kalm, obviously it is not monolithic and I stated that earlier. But the fact that there are 1.5-1.6 peaceful Muslims is largely irrelevant when dealing with the 300-400 million radical Islamists, as was clearly stated by Colonel/Congressman West the link to which I have posted. Have you read the Quran?

No, do I need to?

Being educated about the world around us and others belief systems and world views so that you understand where they are coming from is one option in life...

The Quran doesn't teach separation of church and state, tolerance, women's rights, peace, or freedom of religion, but rather the opposite.

[blueballs]

The easiest way to solve this problem is to cut off the $20+bil, bomb their nuclear sites which includes the nuke weapons, then sic the dot heads on them.

[Pwns]

Scary sh^t. You've got a country with a large population of poorly educated young people who don't exactly have bright economic futures, fundamentalism spreading, and nuclear weapons to boot.

[Grizalltheway]

Scary sh^t. You've got a country with a large population of poorly educated young people who don't exactly have bright economic futures, fundamentalism spreading, and nuclear weapons to boot.

On this, I agree. That country is a clusterfuck anyway you look at it.

[LeadBolt]

Scary sh^t. You've got a country with a large population of poorly educated young people who don't exactly have bright economic futures, fundamentalism spreading, and nuclear weapons to boot.

This is a double entendre if I've ever seen one....

[kalm]

No, do I need to?

Being educated about the world around us and others belief systems and world views so that you understand where they are coming from is one option in life...

The Quran doesn't teach separation of church and state, tolerance, women's rights, peace, or freedom of religion, but rather the opposite.

Agree on education, but as for the last part, so does half of the bible. So maybe it's not all about the religion? Fat and happy muslims don't tend to be terrorists. In fact, most mulims tend to not be terrorists.

[LeadBolt]

Being educated about the world around us and others belief systems and world views so that you understand where they are coming from is one option in life...

The Quran doesn't teach separation of church and state, tolerance, women's rights, peace, or freedom of religion, but rather the opposite.

Agree on education, but as for the last part, so does half of the bible. So maybe it's not all about the religion? Fat and happy muslims don't tend to be terrorists. In fact, most mulims tend to not be terrorists.

I don't read the Bible that way. I have made the point repeatedly about a minority of Muslims who are radical Islamists over and over, and not the majority of Muslims. But that doesn't negate the 300-400 million that would do us harm does it?

[EWURanger]

Also, I fail to see how banning minarets and burqas will help solve those problems.

Multi-culturalism has been a massive failure in Europe. Seriously - go there to any large city there, and you will see exactly what I mean.

On another note, Pakistan is (one of) the biggest shit holes I've ever been to. It's no small wonder why all those people are so pissed off. I'd be angry too.

[EWURanger]

No, do I need to?

Being educated about the world around us and others belief systems and world views so that you understand where they are coming from is one option in life...

The Quran doesn't teach separation of church and state, tolerance, women's rights, peace, or freedom of religion, but rather the opposite.

Exactly. This hypocrisy is the main issue I have with Islam. It pisses me off that some think we as a society should tolerate the intolerant.

[kalm]

Being educated about the world around us and others belief systems and world views so that you understand where they are coming from is one option in life...

The Quran doesn't teach separation of church and state, tolerance, women's rights, peace, or freedom of religion, but rather the opposite.

Exactly. This hypocrisy is the main issue I have with Islam. It pisses me off that some think we as a society should tolerate the intolerant.

And that right there is the rub of the issue. There's only two things in the is world I hate. People who are intolerant of other people's cultures...and the Dutch!

It would be really nice if all of the muslims were bad guys or if we could just wipe them off the face of the planet, but...