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[houndawg]

Bullshit.

Where's the peer-reviewed literature from reputable journals?

Where are the passengers?

Yet nobody is asking where their friends/family on the plane are being kept.

Where do you think the pilots took the plane to after they buzzed the Pentagon just before the missile hit? Hmmmmm....what to do with two airliners full of passengers after staging the crash........I got it! The pilots flew out over the ocean and opened a secret trap door, dumping the passengers into the ocean, after which the pilots flew the plane to Area 5. Of course they hadn't thought that the authorities wouldn't want any witnesses........

You always duck the same questions, sandwedge.

Where are the Passengers? - well, that's a great question. Most plane crashes have plenty of bodies, chairs, and luggage all around, but neither the Pentagon or Shanksville shows any.

Thanks for proving my point.

[expandspanos]

Where are the Passengers? - well, that's a great question. Most plane crashes have plenty of bodies, chairs, and luggage all around, but neither the Pentagon or Shanksville shows any.

Thanks for proving my point.

So, I'll try to keep up here.....there are families all over the US missing a family member from these crashes that never took place, so where are these people? If there were no bodies found did they just vaporize? Were they real people in the first place or just manufactured identities? How much money and coordination does it take to make families believe that the people they thought they knew weren't real and keep quiet about it?

Sounds like you'd like a new Investigation into 9/11..

Flight 11: of the 92 people who are listed as dying on this flight, only
20 are listed in the SSDI (22%)
Of these 20 people, only three are on the 9-11 Compensation Fund list:
Judy Larocque
Laurie Neira
Candace Lee Williams
=======================================

Flight 77: of the 64 people who are listed as dying on this flight, only
14 are listed in the SSDI (22%)
Of these 64 people, only five on the 9-11 Compensation Fund list:
William Caswell
Eddie Dillard
Ian Gray
John Sammartino
Leonard Taylor
=======================================

Flight 175: of the 65 people who are listed as dying on this flight,
only 18 are listed in the SSDI (28%)
Of these 65 people, only three are on the 9-11 Compensation Fund list:
Michael C. Tarrou
Gloria Debarrera
Timothy Ward
=======================================

Flight 93: of the 45 people who are listed as dying on this flight, only
6 are listed in the SSDI (13%)
Of these 45 people, none are on the 9-11 Compensation Fund list:
No one
=======================================

Have you noticed anything strange yet? Of the passengers and crew of
Flight 11, 77, 175 & 93, only 22%, 22%, 28%, 13% respectively are in the
SSDI.

Remember human greed? Of the 266 people that we were told died on these
jets, only 11 relatives applied for compensation. Can you believe that
not a single relative from Flight 93 applied for compensation? I can't.
Were all the relatives of the victims so rich that they weren't eligible
to receive compensation? No, that's not it.

[FormerPokeCenter]

Most plane crashes are either at takeoff, or during landing, where the speeds are about 150 miles per hour....and the plane comes in at a relatively gentle angle....

At the Pentagon, and at Shanksville, the planes encountered a hard metal building at a perpindicular angle and a reclaimed strip mine area, at approximately 450 miles per hour....

We can talk for days about what vehicles look like at various crash speeds. Let me skip a lot of the boring details but suffice it to say the higher the speed of the impact, the much more deformed the vehicle, occupants and contents become. I've investigated accidents involving vehicles moving anywhere from 15 miles per hour to well over 100.

If something's going exponentially faster, say 450 miles per hour at impact, I don't expect to see much undisturbed evidence remain. If you do, more power to you. It's a free country, you're entitled to your own opinion, however erroneous it may be....

[FormerPokeCenter]

So, I'll try to keep up here.....there are families all over the US missing a family member from these crashes that never took place, so where are these people? If there were no bodies found did they just vaporize? Were they real people in the first place or just manufactured identities? How much money and coordination does it take to make families believe that the people they thought they knew weren't real and keep quiet about it?

Sounds like you'd like a new Investigation into 9/11..

Flight 11: of the 92 people who are listed as dying on this flight, only
20 are listed in the SSDI (22%)
Of these 20 people, only three are on the 9-11 Compensation Fund list:
Judy Larocque
Laurie Neira
Candace Lee Williams
=======================================

Flight 77: of the 64 people who are listed as dying on this flight, only
14 are listed in the SSDI (22%)
Of these 64 people, only five on the 9-11 Compensation Fund list:
William Caswell
Eddie Dillard
Ian Gray
John Sammartino
Leonard Taylor
=======================================

Flight 175: of the 65 people who are listed as dying on this flight,
only 18 are listed in the SSDI (28%)
Of these 65 people, only three are on the 9-11 Compensation Fund list:
Michael C. Tarrou
Gloria Debarrera
Timothy Ward
=======================================

Flight 93: of the 45 people who are listed as dying on this flight, only
6 are listed in the SSDI (13%)
Of these 45 people, none are on the 9-11 Compensation Fund list:
No one
=======================================

Have you noticed anything strange yet? Of the passengers and crew of
Flight 11, 77, 175 & 93, only 22%, 22%, 28%, 13% respectively are in the
SSDI.

Remember human greed? Of the 266 people that we were told died on these
jets, only 11 relatives applied for compensation. Can you believe that
not a single relative from Flight 93 applied for compensation? I can't.
Were all the relatives of the victims so rich that they weren't eligible
to receive compensation? No, that's not it.

Citations please. There were at least THREE separate Victim Compensation Funds set up for 911 victims. There were 1,600 hearings to determin the amounts of the payouts under the fund authorized by Congress. The Average payout was $1.8 million dollars....

Several of the WTC dead were highly paid financial employees. In many cases those claims were hard to settle and required more work.

Where did you get your list? And which fund does it represent, the Congressional Fund, or one of the other two funds?

Nice muddying of the waters, though....

[expandspanos]

Do a search, the amounts and names are correct.

Please provide me with your numbers, names Social security listings.. prove me wrong.

How many people were on the flights? How many are on the SSDI? I provided you with the truth, you can prove me wrong.

[OpieGSU]

My degree is in Engineering,

Sure it is.

[houndawg]

So, I'll try to keep up here.....there are families all over the US missing a family member from these crashes that never took place, so where are these people? If there were no bodies found did they just vaporize? Were they real people in the first place or just manufactured identities? How much money and coordination does it take to make families believe that the people they thought they knew weren't real and keep quiet about it?

Sounds like you'd like a new Investigation into 9/11..

Flight 11: of the 92 people who are listed as dying on this flight, only
20 are listed in the SSDI (22%)
Of these 20 people, only three are on the 9-11 Compensation Fund list:
Judy Larocque
Laurie Neira
Candace Lee Williams
=======================================

Flight 77: of the 64 people who are listed as dying on this flight, only
14 are listed in the SSDI (22%)
Of these 64 people, only five on the 9-11 Compensation Fund list:
William Caswell
Eddie Dillard
Ian Gray
John Sammartino
Leonard Taylor
=======================================

Flight 175: of the 65 people who are listed as dying on this flight,
only 18 are listed in the SSDI (28%)
Of these 65 people, only three are on the 9-11 Compensation Fund list:
Michael C. Tarrou
Gloria Debarrera
Timothy Ward
=======================================

Flight 93: of the 45 people who are listed as dying on this flight, only
6 are listed in the SSDI (13%)
Of these 45 people, none are on the 9-11 Compensation Fund list:
No one
=======================================

Have you noticed anything strange yet? Of the passengers and crew of
Flight 11, 77, 175 & 93, only 22%, 22%, 28%, 13% respectively are in the
SSDI.

Remember human greed? Of the 266 people that we were told died on these
jets, only 11 relatives applied for compensation. Can you believe that
not a single relative from Flight 93 applied for compensation? I can't.
Were all the relatives of the victims so rich that they weren't eligible
to receive compensation? No, that's not it.

So where is everybody? Since the families haven't applied for compensation, and no survivors have turned up, the families must all be in cahoots with the guvmint, too.

[houndawg]

My degree is in Engineering,

Sure it is.

[expandspanos]

So where is everybody? Since the families haven't applied for compensation, and no survivors have turned up, the families must all be in cahoots with the guvmint, too.

I guess you'll have to ask this dirt hole in the ground at Shanksville why nobody is applying for victim's comp.. because this isn't a plane crash. When a plane crashes, people apply for compensation. When the government makes up a B.S. story, well, nobody applies for compensation.



Can you believe not ONE person from this "plane crash" would ask for comp?

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[OpieGSU]

Sure it is.

I don't believe you. Prove it. Coward.

[houndawg]

So where is everybody? Since the families haven't applied for compensation, and no survivors have turned up, the families must all be in cahoots with the guvmint, too.

I guess you'll have to ask this dirt hole in the ground at Shanksville why nobody is applying for victim's comp.. because this isn't a plane crash. When a plane crashes, people apply for compensation. When the government makes up a B.S. story, well, nobody applies for compensation.



Can you believe not ONE person from this plane crash would ask for comp?

They couldn't apply for comp, spando, they were killed in the crash. Their relatives didn't apply because they in cahoots with the government. If they keep quiet they'll get big money.

[houndawg]

I don't believe you. Prove it. Coward.

You believe me and you know it.

[expandspanos]

I guess you'll have to ask this dirt hole in the ground at Shanksville why nobody is applying for victim's comp.. because this isn't a plane crash. When a plane crashes, people apply for compensation. When the government makes up a B.S. story, well, nobody applies for compensation.



Can you believe not ONE person from this plane crash would ask for comp?

They couldn't apply for comp, spando, they were killed in the crash. Their relatives didn't apply because they in cahoots with the government. If they keep quiet they'll get big money.

you know what I meant. Not one victim's relative from flight 93 applied.. you must really be in denial.. no plane, no bodies, nobody applying for the money they would get.. Does not make sense any way you look at it.

2 vanishing planes, with no bodies, seats, luggage.. no chance.

[FormerPokeCenter]

There are a variety of reasons why one might not be in the SSDI.

Here's just a few.....

http://helpdesk.rootsweb.com/ssdi/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

The big one, at least for me is this: SSDI death benefits being paid to a surviving spouse or child keeps the deceased from showing up in the records.

Gee, how many people do you think fit THAT profile out of all those who perished that day?

I get that you've sold out to the notion of a 9/11 conspiracy.

Did you have to turn in your ability to think critically as part of the deal????

[expandspanos]

No, but you have.

2 aluminum airplanes can't take down 3 steel super skyscrapers.

The Pentagon won't release video of what hit it after 10 years.

The Pentagon has surface to air missiles on the roof and the world's most sophisticated anti-aircraft system and a plane hits it like 45 minutes after attack? Give me a frickin' break.

Oh yeah, and 5 years combined Pentagon budget was announced "missing" the day before by Donald Rumsfeld.

that's $8,000 dollars per person in the U.S. lost on 9/10/01

How many people received demotions after the largest blunder in defending America to date? 0.

Patriot Act was written pre 9/11-

The hijackers couldn't fly a Cessna according to their flight instructor, yet somehow manage to climb into the cockpit of a Boeing 757 and strike 75% of their targets dead on, I guess with blood all over the cockpit after they used their box cutters to take control of all the airplanes. NO FUCKING WAY.

[Grizalltheway]

[OpieGSU]

I would say the only plausible conspiracy theory about 9/11 is the possibility that flight 93 was shot down, instead of crashing on it's own. However some sh*t is just too big to cover up, and 9/11 would fall under that categorey.
This stuff about the pentagon and a missle is hogwash though.

[expandspanos]

I would say the only plausible conspiracy theory about 9/11 is the possibility that flight 93 was shot down, instead of crashing on it's own. However some sh*t is just too big to cover up, and 9/11 would fall under that categorey.
This stuff about the pentagon and a missle is hogwash though.

So, why won't they release any of the video evidence they confiscated?

They show us people falling out of the WTC before collapse after all.

No video showing a plane hitting the Pentagon after 10 years, even though plenty was confiscated is proof.

If the government actually had footage which shows what they told us happened. they would have provided it by now.

They won't show the video, because it doesn't show what we've been told.

[FormerPokeCenter]

No, but you have.

2 aluminum airplanes can't take down 3 steel super skyscrapers.

The Pentagon won't release video of what hit it after 10 years.

The Pentagon has surface to air missiles on the roof and the world's most sophisticated anti-aircraft system and a plane hits it like 45 minutes after attack? Give me a frickin' break.

Oh yeah, and 5 years combined Pentagon budget was announced "missing" the day before by Donald Rumsfeld.

that's $8,000 dollars per person in the U.S. lost on 9/10/01

How many people received demotions after the largest blunder in defending America to date? 0.

Patriot Act was written pre 9/11-

The hijackers couldn't fly a Cessna according to their flight instructor, yet somehow manage to climb into the cockpit of a Boeing 757 and strike 75% of their targets dead on, I guess with blood all over the cockpit after they used their box cutters to take control of all the airplanes. NO **** WAY.

LOL, you mention the SSDI and benefit claims....when shown exactly WHY there aren't more listings in the SSDI...you immediate change your tack.

Reverse field much?

You shoulda asked somebody who does genealogy research about the SSDI before you made that the center piece of your argumenet. They're all over the inner workings of the SSDI. Its not exactly rocket science....

[expandspanos]

Nice try, but you haven't even provided any evidence to the contrary.

What you're doing is called a "straw man" argument, I have provided names and numbers, you have provided nothing.

[AZGrizFan]

Nice try, but you haven't even provided any evidence to the contrary.

Look at you, doing your level best to make dopie look normal.

[expandspanos]

SHOW ME THE VIDEO FOOTAGE FROM THE PENTAGON.

I SHOULDNT HAVE TO PROVE A PLANE HIT OR DIDN'T- THE GOVERNMENT SHOULD HAVE PROVIDED THE EVIDENCE 10 YEARS AGO.

[AZGrizFan]

SHOW ME THE VIDEO FOOTAGE FROM THE PENTAGON.

I SHOULDNT HAVE TO PROVE A PLANE HIT OR DIDN'T- THE GOVERNMENT SHOULD HAVE PROVIDED THE EVIDENCE 10 YEARS AGO.

Oh, come on. You know damned good and well that no matter WHAT they showed you, if it didn't fit your preconceived conspiracy theory of what happened you wouldn't believe it anyways....honestly at this point, why should they bother?

[FormerPokeCenter]

I would say the only plausible conspiracy theory about 9/11 is the possibility that flight 93 was shot down, instead of crashing on it's own. However some sh*t is just too big to cover up, and 9/11 would fall under that categorey.
This stuff about the pentagon and a missle is hogwash though.

So, why won't they release any of the video evidence they confiscated?

They show us people falling out of the WTC before collapse after all.

No video showing a plane hitting the Pentagon after 10 years, even though plenty was confiscated is proof.

If the government actually had footage which shows what they told us happened. they would have provided it by now.

They won't show the video, because it doesn't show what we've been told.

Actually, there is a video that's been released....from a Pentagon security camera....which was set at one frame every few seconds, just like millions of security cameras out there....At the time, the Pentagon would have been using digital technology, but I'd be willing to bet it was still tape that was recording mutliple camera angles through a MUX unit (multiplexer) into one recorder. To save tape and cut costs, they set the record rate to 1 frame every few seconds instead of 32 frames per second.

The video they release shows the nose of the plane to the extreme right of the field of view, then the tail entering the pentagon in the next frame to the extreme right....



And, FYI, the people you saw "Fallling" out of the WTC actually jumped rather than succumb to the smoke and flames....

Aluminum planes didn't bring down three steel buildings. Hundreds of thousands of gallons of jet fuel and combustible materials in the WTC significantly weakened the buildings, which then collapsed and subsquently pancaked....debris from the towers damaged a third building and subsequently weakened a third building, which utimately collapsed later....

Nice try though....

[grizzaholic]

SHOW ME THE VIDEO FOOTAGE FROM THE PENTAGON.

I SHOULDNT HAVE TO PROVE A PLANE HIT OR DIDN'T- THE GOVERNMENT SHOULD HAVE PROVIDED THE EVIDENCE 10 YEARS AGO.

Hey ES, the govt. could show you a video in 3D/HD with THX surround in a movie theater of a plane hitting the Pentagon and you still wouldn't believe them. You could have been standing in the parking lot watching the plane come in for the crash and you wouldn't believe it.

Do you honestly believe what is coming out of your mouth? Do your friends also? Really?