Fuck Arizona

[HI54UNI]

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Yep. Record drought.

Yep. Missouri River dams are releasing at DOUBLE the rate of the previous record. Previous record was around 75,000 cfs. By the end of the week the dams should be at 150,000 cfs. Emergency spillways on the dams are being used for the first time EVER.

Thread hijack - 150,000 cfs = 1,122,000 gallons of water per second. I was talking to a colleague that manages a water utility in a town of about 11,000 people. He said at that rate it would take 7 minutes to provide his town's entire water usage for a year. After hearing that I figured up the town of 1,900 people that I used to manage and it would take about 65 seconds.

[Wedgebuster]

Well, if they keep spilling the water, won't it result in.....drought??

[D1B]

D and his random 'facts'....

Boy...AZ really ripped your man-titties off on that one D.. ..better crawl back to Opie's basement....you're like a toothless bull....

Yep, he sure did, dumbfuck. 150 day charts!

Long-term Drought Status

The long-term drought status is determined by evaluating precipitation data from the previous 24, 36 and 48 months, and streamflow. Of the previous four years, only 2010 was a wetter than average year. The cumulative lack of precipitation causes reductions in stream flow, soil moisture, and groundwater recharge. The reduced soil moisture and lowered water table affects forests by reducing the water available in the root zone.

Currently the pattern of the long-term drought is similar to the pattern of the short-term drought, with the driest conditions in the southeastern watersheds and the Colorado Plateau. Although last winter was quite wet, the southeastern watersheds were not able to recover from the previous dry years. Since the current La Niña is waning, there is no strong atmospheric signal to indicate whether this year’s monsoon will be wetter or drier than average. However, until the monsoon begins, the long-term drought conditions are not likely to show any improvement.


Summary produced by the State Drought Monitoring Technical Committee - May 10, 2011

Hey Z, 150 day graphs don't mean shit you fucking numbskull.

“The wet winter has definitely been a bonanza for us,” said Tony Haffer with the National Weather Service, chair of the monitoring committee. “But the Southwest in general, and Arizona in particular, has been in deficit for many years. Naturally, it will take many winters like this one to get us back into balance.”

“Reservoirs still are refilling and long-term groundwater deficits in the state will take many years to replace,” said Tom Carr, assistant director for statewide planning for the Arizona Department of Water Resources.“We are entering our 14th year of drought,” said State Climatologist Nancy Selover. “I believe it started after the very wet winter of 1993, which was the end of the wet period. Lakes Powell and Mead were pretty full at that time.”

The wet conditions experienced across most of Arizona over the past two months have been unusual for a La Niña event of this strength and magnitude. Intra-seasonal variability related to pulses of moisture traveling across the Pacific Ocean, in conjunction with a persistent jet-stream pattern favorable for Arizona precipitation, have produced the welcome wet winter conditions.

Precipitation totals for the “water year,” which began October 1, 2007:

– Phoenix 4.24" (.47" above normal)

– Tucson 2.97” (.21” below normal)

– Flagstaff 11.09" (1.51" above normal)

The MTC is a scientific working group that assesses drought status. It is made up of hydrologists and climatologists representing local, state, and federal agencies and organizations. This group is tasked with monitoring current drought conditions, forecasting future conditions, and communicating that information to resource managers, decision-makers and the public.

The MTC, established by Gov. Janet Napolitano’s Drought Task Force, meets each month to produce a monthly short-term drought status map, a monthly drought monitor report, and a long-term drought status map each quarter.

This information is available on the Arizona Department of Water Resources Web site at http://www.azwater.gov/dwr/drought/DroughtStatus.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;.

The MTC met Feb. 1 to discuss current conditions and forecast likely future conditions. Based on four years of data through Dec. 31, 2007, Arizona’s long-term status is abnormally dry to severe throughout the state.

The current La Niña is expected to persist through the spring and consequently, the National Weather Service Climate Prediction Center continues to forecast warmer and drier than average conditions for the southwestern U.S.

A shift to warmer temperatures over the next two months may cause the snowpack to melt earlier than usual, limiting streamflows later in the spring. The wet winter of 2007-2008 certainly improved short-term drought conditions, but long-term drought endures.

The MTC will issue its next quarterly long-term drought status update in April.

For additional information, contact: Susan Craig at (602) 771-8533

Hey Z(ero), show these idiots your 150 day charts! There aint no drought!

Scientific American:

Snowpack in the northern Rocky Mountains has shrunk at an unusually rapid pace during the past 30 years, according to a new study.

The decline is "almost unprecedented" over the past 800 years, say researchers who used tree rings to reconstruct a centuries-long record of snowpack throughout the entire Rocky Mountain range.

Their work, published yesterday in the journal Science, suggests that the plummeting snowpack could have serious consequences for more than 70 million people who depend on water from the runoff-fed Columbia, Colorado and Missouri rivers.

"The Northern Rockies have shown the greatest response to warming in terms of snowpack decline," said lead author Greg Pederson, a research scientist at the U.S. Geological Survey's Northern Rocky Mountain Research Center. "Temperature, especially now, seems to be undercutting snowpack."

That's a marked shift from the pattern that predominated from A.D. 1200 to the 1980s: When snowpack was low in the Northern Rockies, it was high in the Southern Rockies -- and vice versa.

But for the past 30 years or so, snowpack in both regions has shrunk. Pederson and his colleagues pin the blame on warmer springs driven by a combination of rising greenhouse gas levels in the atmosphere and natural climate variation.

"In the last 30 years, there's been this growing synchrony where the whole West is getting warmer," said Philip Mote, director of the Oregon Climate Change Research Institute at Oregon State University. "That part is not new, but they point out a few other occasions in the last millennium where there has been low snowpack in the West were also periods that were unusually warm. That's a pretty strong message: that historically, low snowpack and warm spring go hand in hand."

Z, tell how the snowpack melts cuz "it's June"!!!!

[D1B]

More on the snowpack:

The seesaw still occurs to some extent. But since the 1980s, snowpacks again have been declining along the entire length of North America's geological spine, regardless of the state of these natural climate swings.

In the northern Rockies, which host the headwaters of the Columbia River, the shift began even earlier. Snowpack in this region is more sensitive to temperatures changes than snowpack farther south because the relatively low elevations mean winters and springs are somewhat warmer to start with, Pederson explains.

This latest work represents further evidence that the region's largest reservoir of fresh water – snowpack – is diminishing, says Juliet Christian-Smith, a senior research associate at the Pacific Institute, a water-resources policy research group in Oakland, Calif.

"We (idiots with 150 day graphs )often think of surface storage in reservoirs as our main source of water supplies," she says. But most of the region's surface-water storage is in mountain snowpack.

"We're getting to a point where our short-term response strategies" for individual droughts "aren't going to work over the long term" in dealing with the looming shortages the shrinking snowpack will bring, she says.

Source - Christian Science Monitor

800 years or Z's 150 day pond level graphs????

[D1B]

USA Today

Despite this year's wet weather replenishing mountain snow, the finding suggests drier times are ahead for the West. In particular, the northern Rockies' snowpack feeds the Columbia, Colorado and Missouri rivers, now the primary water sources for 70 million people.

The historical snowpack reconstruction results, dating to the year 1200 and released by the journal Science, suggest that global warming has broken the normal seesaw pattern of snowpack in the region, in which a down year in the northern Rockies will be offset by a higher snow year in the southern Rockies.

Overall, the average yearly snowpack across the northern Rockies — directly known from snow records to have dropped 30% to 60% in the past 50 years — has fallen more sharply in that time than for any period in the past 800 years , the study shows.

Z, how bout some more 150 day graphs!

[Grizalltheway]

[D1B]

Z, I don't see any of that water/snowpack that is actually IN Arizona...

And as for the waters of the upper Green (Wyoming water/snowpack) your good buddies over in Denver are conspiring to buy out the Green River water.

Can't find cool graphs at the moment like those above, but this should help:

http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepubli ... -snow.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Meanwhile, in central Arizona, the snowpack has benefited from some of the same storm systems that swept through the Rocky Mountains. As of Jan. 1, the statewide snowpack was 122 percent of average, according to the Natural Resources Conservation Service, which monitors snow levels.

The Verde River Basin is in the best condition, with snowpack at 148 percent of average. The Mogollon Rim is at 120 percent of average, the San Francisco Peaks are at 124 percent and the upper Salt River is at 109 percent of average.The Salt and Verde rivers are the source of more than one-third of the Valley's water supply.

The healthy snowpack was unexpected because La Niña conditions had developed this fall. La Niña, a lowering of water temperatures in the Pacific Ocean, typically steers storms away from Arizona, producing drier-than-average winters.

"It's very unusual for a La Niña year," said Charlie Ester, water-resources manager for Salt River Project, which delivers water from the Salt and Verde rivers. "We don't know if it's going to continue. Our best guess is that it won't."

SRP's reservoirs are 86 percent full, compared with 73 percent at this time a year ago. A late-January storm last year all but filled the reservoirs and, after more rain and snow fell, SRP was forced to release water down the Salt.

Short terms gains, dipshit. EVERY indicator is pointing toward pain for the West.

Yeah, it's raining, there's no drought!

[AZGrizFan]

USA Today

Despite this year's wet weather replenishing mountain snow, the finding suggests drier times are ahead for the West. In particular, the northern Rockies' snowpack feeds the Columbia, Colorado and Missouri rivers, now the primary water sources for 70 million people.

The historical snowpack reconstruction results, dating to the year 1200 and released by the journal Science, suggest that global warming has broken the normal seesaw pattern of snowpack in the region, in which a down year in the northern Rockies will be offset by a higher snow year in the southern Rockies.

Overall, the average yearly snowpack across the northern Rockies — directly known from snow records to have dropped 30% to 60% in the past 50 years — has fallen more sharply in that time than for any period in the past 800 years , the study shows.

Z, how bout some more 150 day graphs!

http://www.usatoday.com/weather/drought ... rsal_N.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

What a difference a rain makes. The nationwide drought that had farmers, communities and entire states fighting to conserve water has reversed in the most dramatic turnaround since federal scientists began keeping records.
More than 92% of the country is drought-free — the nation's best showing since 1999.

"The lack of drought is extraordinary," said Douglas Le Comte, a meteorologist with the federal Climate Prediction Center.


MORE FROM USA TODAY: Weather and climate science

At the worst of the USA's most recent drought — in August 2007 — almost 50% of the country was involved. Currently, about 7% of the country is in a drought, according to federal scientists. The only part of the USA in "extreme" drought is a small fraction of Hawaii.In 2007, gigantic portions of the Southeast were in the worst drought in more than a century, sparking water wars among Georgia, Alabama and Florida.

"It was horrid," said Teresa Hammack of Mars Hill, N.C., whose springs ran dry in August 2007 at the height of the Southeast drought. Hammack's home relies entirely on underground springs as a source of water.

"Our springs are running rampant, with clean, fresh water," she said.

There have been less than half a dozen occasions since the late 1800s when drought has been as sparse as it is now, Le Comte said.

Your move, genius.

Looks to me like signs point to improving conditions, not your "the sky is falling" screeching.

[Grizalltheway]

USA Today



Z, how bout some more 150 day graphs!

http://www.usatoday.com/weather/drought ... rsal_N.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

What a difference a rain makes. The nationwide drought that had farmers, communities and entire states fighting to conserve water has reversed in the most dramatic turnaround since federal scientists began keeping records.
More than 92% of the country is drought-free — the nation's best showing since 1999.

"The lack of drought is extraordinary," said Douglas Le Comte, a meteorologist with the federal Climate Prediction Center.


MORE FROM USA TODAY: Weather and climate science

At the worst of the USA's most recent drought — in August 2007 — almost 50% of the country was involved. Currently, about 7% of the country is in a drought, according to federal scientists. The only part of the USA in "extreme" drought is a small fraction of Hawaii.In 2007, gigantic portions of the Southeast were in the worst drought in more than a century, sparking water wars among Georgia, Alabama and Florida.

"It was horrid," said Teresa Hammack of Mars Hill, N.C., whose springs ran dry in August 2007 at the height of the Southeast drought. Hammack's home relies entirely on underground springs as a source of water.

"Our springs are running rampant, with clean, fresh water," she said.

There have been less than half a dozen occasions since the late 1800s when drought has been as sparse as it is now, Le Comte said.

Your move, genius.

Looks to me like signs point to improving conditions, not your "the sky is falling" screeching.

According to the map he posted, it looks like southern/eastern AZ are included in that 7% still affected.

[AZGrizFan]

http://www.usatoday.com/weather/drought ... rsal_N.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;



Your move, genius.

Looks to me like signs point to improving conditions, not your "the sky is falling" screeching.

According to the map he posted, it looks like southern/eastern AZ are included in that 7% still affected.

And improving.....



The real question is this: how the HELL can the gulf coast have a drought when they get as much precipitation as they do from hurricanes each year?

[D1B]

USA Today



Z, how bout some more 150 day graphs!

http://www.usatoday.com/weather/drought ... rsal_N.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

What a difference a rain makes. The nationwide drought that had farmers, communities and entire states fighting to conserve water has reversed in the most dramatic turnaround since federal scientists began keeping records.
More than 92% of the country is drought-free — the nation's best showing since 1999.

"The lack of drought is extraordinary," said Douglas Le Comte, a meteorologist with the federal Climate Prediction Center.


MORE FROM USA TODAY: Weather and climate science

At the worst of the USA's most recent drought — in August 2007 — almost 50% of the country was involved. Currently, about 7% of the country is in a drought, according to federal scientists. The only part of the USA in "extreme" drought is a small fraction of Hawaii.In 2007, gigantic portions of the Southeast were in the worst drought in more than a century, sparking water wars among Georgia, Alabama and Florida.

"It was horrid," said Teresa Hammack of Mars Hill, N.C., whose springs ran dry in August 2007 at the height of the Southeast drought. Hammack's home relies entirely on underground springs as a source of water.

"Our springs are running rampant, with clean, fresh water," she said.

There have been less than half a dozen occasions since the late 1800s when drought has been as sparse as it is now, Le Comte said.

Your move, genius.

Looks to me like signs point to improving conditions, not your "the sky is falling" screeching.

Uhhhh, look longer term Z. That snowpack issue is a ticking time bomb.

Your argument is solely based on recent history (like seconds in relation to the recent 800 year study I reference), which has been wet and an anomaly (el nino) itself.

All, I repeat, all the long term trends are dire for your children and grandchildren, if they survive. But, Z, you don't give a fuck, you only care about yourself and your checkbook. Typical conk.

[D1B]

According to the map he posted, it looks like southern/eastern AZ are included in that 7% still affected.

And improving.....



The real question is this: how the HELL can the gulf coast have a drought when they get as much precipitation as they do from hurricanes each year?

Uh, Shitforbrains, improving (el nino anomaly) but ONGOING. Next.....

[D1B]

According to the map he posted, it looks like southern/eastern AZ are included in that 7% still affected.

And improving.....



The real question is this: how the HELL can the gulf coast have a drought when they get as much precipitation as they do from hurricanes each year?

Answer: YOU are a fucking retard and think a wet summer can make up for decades of drought conditions and changing climate.

[AZGrizFan]

And improving.....



The real question is this: how the HELL can the gulf coast have a drought when they get as much precipitation as they do from hurricanes each year?

Uh, Shitforbrains, improving (el nino anomaly) but ONGOING. Next.....

Short terms gains, dipshit. EVERY indicator is pointing toward pain for the West.

I've provided at least 10 indicators that would point to LESS pain for the West, not more. Try not to speak in absolutes, numbnuts. You've been proven wrong again, dOpie....does that EVER get old to you?

[D1B]

Uh, Shitforbrains, improving (el nino anomaly) but ONGOING. Next.....

Short terms gains, dipshit. EVERY indicator is pointing toward pain for the West.

I've provided at least 10 indicators that would point to LESS pain for the West, not more. Try not to speak in absolutes, numbnuts. You've been proven wrong again, dOpie....does that EVER get old to you?

Yeah, Z your 150 day graphs were awesome! Your fat ass got punked again.

[travelinman67]

Answer: YOU are a fucking retard and think a wet summer can make up for decades of drought conditions and changing climate.

Source?

Oh, wait, I forgot...

...it's a consensus...








...of unqualified, undereducated, self-serving, destructive, political ideologues, who know more about Skittles flavors than the environment.

D1B...you don't know SHIT about the environment. Stick to talking about Golf, fundraisers, and Joe's theology.

[D1B]

Hey Z, that rain you got last month should fill dissin here bitch up in no time!

[D1B]

Answer: YOU are a fucking retard and think a wet summer can make up for decades of drought conditions and changing climate.

Source?

Oh, wait, I forgot...

...it's a consensus...








...of unqualified, undereducated, self-serving, destructive, political ideologues, who know more about Skittles flavors than the environment.

D1B...you don't know SHIT about the environment. Stick to talking about Golf, fundraisers, and Joe's theology.

Another fat pompous ass with his bulbous, adult acne'd head in the fucking sand, where there used to be a lake.

And you're an expert? Dispute my sources and the recent snowpack study or shut the fuck up you know it all blowhard.

Stick to what you know best - male escorts, liquor and hippies taking over corporate america.

[D1B]

The colorado river delta during a dry year. Don't even reach the ocean.

[travelinman67]

Source?

Oh, wait, I forgot...

...it's a consensus...








...of unqualified, undereducated, self-serving, destructive, political ideologues, who know more about Skittles flavors than the environment.

D1B...you don't know SHIT about the environment. Stick to talking about Golf, fundraisers, and Joe's theology.

Another fat pompous ass with his bulbous, adult acne'd head in the fucking sand, where there used to be a lake.

And you're an expert? Dispute my sources and the recent snowpack study or shut the fuck up you know it all blowhard.

Stick to what you know best - male escorts, liquor and hippies taking over corporate america.

Eat sh** you cheese-headed fucktard. I've produced sources ad-nauseum.

Produce RESEARCHED facts or shut your pie hole.

[D1B]

Another fat pompous ass with his bulbous, adult acne'd head in the fucking sand, where there used to be a lake.

And you're an expert? Dispute my sources and the recent snowpack study or shut the fuck up you know it all blowhard.

Stick to what you know best - male escorts, liquor and hippies taking over corporate america.

Eat sh** you cheese-headed fucktard. I've produced sources ad-nauseum.

Produce RESEARCHED facts or shut your pie hole.

Business Weekly and Investors Monthly?

Again, Zman, dispute my sources or move on to a carbeurator or hand gun thread you square-jawed, sloped forehead, knuckle dragging, goat fucking conk.

[D1B]

Cheney: "Z, Tman, there is no drought. That's just liberal fear mongering, those pussies!"

Z: Okey dokey Dick, thank you sir!

Tman: Z, did you say dick?

[travelinman67]

Eat sh** you cheese-headed fucktard. I've produced sources ad-nauseum.

Produce RESEARCHED facts or shut your pie hole.

Business Weekly and Investors Monthly?

Again, Zman, dispute my sources or move on to a carbeurator or hand gun thread you square-jawed, sloped forehead, knuckle dragging, goat fucking conk.

First of all, there's no link to "Business Weekly and Investor's Monthly", you imp-brained walrus.

Second, the graph you "sourced" comes from a Natural Resources Defense Council propoganda leaflet... you dickless, government-sucking, no'er do well.

http://www.nrdc.org/globalwarming/water ... erRisk.pdf

Third, you must have suffered brain damage during those unconscious moments after your ex squeezed your head with her thighs...

...which would explain a college grad not being able to spell "carburetor", you anal-faced, baboon.

Get serious, or I swear I'll start sourcing from Rush Limbaugh.

[D1B]

The spell check!!! Tman you're pathetic.

You got nothing, again, you hot air balloon.

[AZGrizFan]

Again, Zman, dispute my sources or move on to a carbeurator or hand gun thread you square-jawed, sloped forehead, knuckle dragging, goat fucking conk.

Douche1Bag at his mud-slinging best.