By God they will if Opie is your lawyer.griz37 wrote:My wife & I have great credit & both have good stable jobs, but we have no desire to buy a house. Who the fuck wants to spend their weekends working on home improvements, mowing the lawn or fixing shit when there is a whole world to explore.
Being able to eat is a human right but Wal-Mart won't give you a cart full of groceries unless you have the money to pay for it & that is the way it should be.
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If Opie was anything other than a washed out public defender he wouldn't have time to be dropping his turds all over message boards.AZGrizFan wrote:By God they will if Opie is your lawyer.griz37 wrote:My wife & I have great credit & both have good stable jobs, but we have no desire to buy a house. Who the **** wants to spend their weekends working on home improvements, mowing the lawn or fixing **** when there is a whole world to explore.
Being able to eat is a human right but Wal-Mart won't give you a cart full of groceries unless you have the money to pay for it & that is the way it should be.![]()
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What about a person who wants to buy a house before they've sold the one they currently live in?bandl wrote:"Proposal targets potential borrowers whose mortgage payment and other debts would exceed 36 percent of their income. "
I have no problem with this.

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Yes and no. Low credit scores aren't always in indicator of derelict behavior (often they are). I've seen people with $40 cable bill collections get dinged 100 points on their credit scores.Cluck U wrote:![]()
Spending patterns are usually habitual. Think of money as gold...handle it well and you'll be OK. Screw up and throw it away and you deserve a "time out".
People want to spend a bunch of money on public education and yet there are few real world classes about how to handle money. There are even fewer classes on being responsible for your actions.
Wouldn't want to hurt the little kid's feewings.

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How? They must have very few payment expereinces on their credit report. A $40 bill that went unpaid should have little impact on a credit score.89Hen wrote:Yes and no. Low credit scores aren't always in indicator of derelict behavior (often they are). I've seen people with $40 cable bill collections get dinged 100 points on their credit scores.Cluck U wrote:![]()
Spending patterns are usually habitual. Think of money as gold...handle it well and you'll be OK. Screw up and throw it away and you deserve a "time out".
People want to spend a bunch of money on public education and yet there are few real world classes about how to handle money. There are even fewer classes on being responsible for your actions.
Wouldn't want to hurt the little kid's feewings.
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Not a good idea to do that though, right?89Hen wrote:What about a person who wants to buy a house before they've sold the one they currently live in?bandl wrote:"Proposal targets potential borrowers whose mortgage payment and other debts would exceed 36 percent of their income. "
I have no problem with this.
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citdog wrote:WAY too many white men doing manual labor in that picture.....where are the darkies?93henfan wrote:
No problem. I doubt these guys took out mortgages:
They are stealing stuff from the white guys while they are at work on the new home......duh

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I guess my wife and I are morons. When we bought our first house, back in 2006, we set our budget to allow us to have 20% down, and insisted on a fixed-rate mortgage. When we sold our house a few months ago (for a profit, no less), we took the equity out and put it in with the rest of our savings. Last month, we bought another house. Again, 20% down and a fixed-rate mortgage. Unfortunately, rates have come down since we locked ours in, but we're still sub-5.0. Both times we bought, we got a mortgage that was less than 2 years household income. Our current dti (house and escrow only) is .21. We can afford to pay all of our bills with just one of our paychecks. In other words, we're responsible.
How friggin' hard is this?
How friggin' hard is this?
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Chet, don't be fooled by diversionary tactics like this proposed rule. As you've shown, responsible borrowers with a moral standard above that of a cockroach (not implying yours is that lowChetSteadman wrote:I guess my wife and I are morons. When we bought our first house, back in 2006, we set our budget to allow us to have 20% down, and insisted on a fixed-rate mortgage. When we sold our house a few months ago (for a profit, no less), we took the equity out and put it in with the rest of our savings. Last month, we bought another house. Again, 20% down and a fixed-rate mortgage. Unfortunately, rates have come down since we locked ours in, but we're still sub-5.0. Both times we bought, we got a mortgage that was less than 2 years household income. Our current dti (house and escrow only) is .21. We can afford to pay all of our bills with just one of our paychecks. In other words, we're responsible.
How friggin' hard is this?
As I've posted before, the REAL issue in the housing market and the reason for the continued decline in values and continued increase in bank and credit union failures is the fully 60% of foreclosures that were STRATEGIC foreclosures. The industries (banking and housing) could have survived the NECESSARY foreclosures---those who lost their homes due to job loss, etc. What the industries could NOT withstand was the piling on (which continues) of the hundreds of thousands of moral-less individuals who decided to walk away from their obligation because they could no longer use it as an ATM. It has WAY less to do with DTI and way MORE to do with the collapse of the value system America was built on. Perhaps collapse isn't the right word....perhaps it was a slow erosion over the past 40 years of entitlement mentality and then the collapse came when some downward pressure was put on a weakened national moral compass. Either way, when you consider that fully 60% of those being foreclosed on could easily pay their mortgage you begin to see that rules like this proposed one are attempting to solve a problem that doesn't really exist...or at the very least solve a SYMPTOM of a problem instead of the root probelm itself.
Imagine 60% less homes on the market (or being held in bank portfolios and about to come onto the market)--housing prices wouldn't have collapsed (down more than 70% in some areas), the home construction industry wouldn't have collapsed, putting 500,000 construction workers out of work since mid-2007, causing more foreclosures and bankruptcies.
imagine bank/credit union losses 60% less than what they've experienced during this downturn. And in reality it would be an even bigger lift than the 60%, since the sale of actual foreclosed inventory would have been able to happen at higher prices because the market wouldnt' have been driven down to the point it's at without those 60% of additional foreclosures applying downward pressure.
There are lots of players at fault---but the strategic defaulters have taken a bad situation and poured gasoline on a fire...a fire that (much like the Wallow Fire in northeastern Arizona) is ZERO percent contained at this point.
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I don't think that it is. I think that a "right" is something you innately have that no one should be able to take away from you without cause. Like life. You have life and no one should be able to take it away from you unless you give them cause to do so. Like if you try to kill them they can kill you in self defense.Being able to eat is a human right...
If someone else potentially has to GIVE it to you, it shouldn't be viewed as a right. So if you aren't successful in obtaining food you have no "right" to have someone else provide it to you.
Sure, charity is wonderful and a society is better if people practice it. But the idea that one individual has a "right" to have others attend to their physical needs is the root of the entitlement mentality and is corroding this nation.
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All other things aside, a lending institution should be able to lend or not lend to anybody it wants to lend or not lend to for whatever reasons it wants to use and government shouldn't interfere with the decision. It should stay completely out of it.
It's supposed to be a "free" country.
It's supposed to be a "free" country.
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Home ownership is not a right it is a privilege. Credit score should be renamed the I love debt score.
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No, credit score should be renamed "I have demonstrated the ability to wisely use debt and pay it off in a timely manner"ValleyBoy wrote:Credit score should be renamed the I love debt score.
Too many people see debt as a bad thing. It's really not, when it's managed correctly. Debt is a gamble for both the debtor and debtee, but credit score helps mitigate that risk. There's nothing wrong with having manageable debt, provided you also have some sense of responsibility.
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Had the Bush/Obama bailout, had bailed out the American people instead of corporate America, we wouldn't have this problem.

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Exactly what do you mean by bailing out the American people?Gil Dobie wrote:Had the Bush/Obama bailout, had bailed out the American people instead of corporate America, we wouldn't have this problem.
Do you mean that the stimulus money should have been spent on IPads, Cheetos, LCD flatscreens, tikkets to Disney and pu$$y?
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No, just pussy.CID1990 wrote:Exactly what do you mean by bailing out the American people?Gil Dobie wrote:Had the Bush/Obama bailout, had bailed out the American people instead of corporate America, we wouldn't have this problem.
Do you mean that the stimulus money should have been spent on IPads, Cheetos, LCD flatscreens, tikkets to Disney and pu$$y?
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I agree with you in principle, as long as the institution is loaning their own money and not someone else's money. If an institution, such as a bank, loans its depositors money, then I believe the the government has the right to set rules to protect the depositors capital.JohnStOnge wrote:All other things aside, a lending institution should be able to lend or not lend to anybody it wants to lend or not lend to for whatever reasons it wants to use and government shouldn't interfere with the decision. It should stay completely out of it.
It's supposed to be a "free" country.
In no instance should the government propogate rules that require institutions loan money to those considered credit risks by the institutions and put either the institutions money nor the money of the depositors and/or others at risk.

