U.S. Economic Data "Falls Off Cliff"

[AZGrizFan]

Pointing out the country's issues and "celebrating Obama's problems" are two different things. But most Obama-lovers can't argue the facts, so they bash the approach....meh.

He's been proven to be a shallow imbecile, with no leadership, negotiation or compromise skills to speak of.

Agree almost 100% with your post (I don't think Obama is an imbecile ).

It seems to me that this thread was started to celebrate Obama's problems and I just felt like stirring the pot.

Fair enough. But he's borderline retarded, no?

[travelinman67]

This isn't about "failure", TTBF, it's about incompetence manifested in our country's economic destruction.

Take ownership.

You take ownership. All you care about is that your guy didn't win. You don't care about the good of the country. All you care about is petty crowing because the guy you didn't vote for is in charge while the economy is suffering. Well done. you're a big man.

BTW- You do realize that I'm not TTBF. I can't tell if you we're being "smart" or stupid there. Althought either way it looks stupid to me.

I've been Declined To State my entire adult life. I vote for whomever I feel has presented the best policy which benefits our country AND ALL AMERICANS FIRST!

Fuck the unions
Fuck the corporate BOD's
Fuck the hippies
Fuck the old riche
Fuck the limousine liberals
Fuck the poli-academicians and pundits
Fuck the apathetics espousing thoughtless, uninformed rhetoric

...oh, yeah...

...and Fuck the faux-Objectivists who pretend to be fair and judicious, only to conceal their true cowardly colors and dodge responsibility when it suits them.

And yes, I called you TTBF with a purpose.

This Obama/Center For American Progress/DNC clusterfuck has TKO'd this country. It's time to change guards.

And to quote a fine American, "I'd rather vote for a tree stump than Obama".

[BlueHen86]

Agree almost 100% with your post (I don't think Obama is an imbecile ).

It seems to me that this thread was started to celebrate Obama's problems and I just felt like stirring the pot.

Fair enough. But he's borderline retarded, no?

I know you are kidding, but I'll attempt a serious response just for the hell of it.

I think Obama is a pretty smart guy who was still in his political infancy when he ran for President. He lacked political experience and his flaws and inexperience are being exposed. I hope he grows into the job, because I expect he will get re-elected in 2012.

As far as the economy is concerned, I don't blame him for it and I won't give him full credit if it turns around soon. The economy is cyclical and is based largely on confidence, something that no President has much control over.

[BlueHen86]

You take ownership. All you care about is that your guy didn't win. You don't care about the good of the country. All you care about is petty crowing because the guy you didn't vote for is in charge while the economy is suffering. Well done. you're a big man.

BTW- You do realize that I'm not TTBF. I can't tell if you we're being "smart" or stupid there. Althought either way it looks stupid to me.

I've been Declined To State my entire adult life. I vote for whomever I feel has presented the best policy which benefits our country AND ALL AMERICANS FIRST!

Fuck the unions
Fuck the corporate BOD's
Fuck the hippies
Fuck the old riche
Fuck the limousine liberals
Fuck the poli-academicians and pundits
Fuck the apathetics espousing thoughtless, uninformed rhetoric

...oh, yeah...

...and Fuck the faux-Objectivists who pretend to be fair and judicious, only to conceal their true cowardly colors and dodge responsibility when it suits them.

And yes, I called you TTBF with a purpose.

This Obama/Center For American Progress/DNC clusterfuck has TKO'd this country. It's time to change guards.

And to quote a fine American, "I'd rather vote for a tree stump than Obama".

And I say:
Fuck the people that resort to name calling rather than make a valid point.
Fuck the people that put party first.

I would say "Fuck Golf", but that's been taken already.

[AZGrizFan]

Fair enough. But he's borderline retarded, no?

I know you are kidding, but I'll attempt a serious response just for the hell of it.

I think Obama is a pretty smart guy who was still in his political infancy when he ran for President. He lacked political experience and his flaws and inexperience are being exposed. I hope he grows into the job, because I expect he will get re-elected in 2012.

As far as the economy is concerned, I don't blame him for it and I won't give him full credit if it turns around soon. The economy is cyclical and is based largely on confidence, something that no President has much control over.

Is President of the United States and leader of the free world really a position you want someone in who needs to "grow into it"?

You can blame Obama's performance on his "political infancy", but I have political infancy as well and am at least smart enough to know I'm not smart enough to run the fucking country, no matter HOW good of a teleprompter reader I might be.

And the economy might be "cyclical", but everything HE'S done has hurt, rather than helped the economy....with friends like him, who needs enemies?

And, thanks for the shoutout, T-Man!

[Bronco]

It's hard for me to read that people are being mean to the president...and not say FU

You need to read the stories about Bush at Obama's inauguration. It was disgusting

I posted a memo that was drafted after Bush in 2002 had his 90% approval rating on AGS. Ralph or whoever deleted it and I got a strike...he didn't want anyone to see it.

Here it is again.



http://web.archive.org/web/200302121154 ... 1476.shtml" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;


Dems plan to undermine America to beat Bush
By DOUG THOMPSON

Jan 6, 2003, 19:21

Democrats plan to undermine public confidence in President George W. Bush by challenging his credibility and raising doubts about America, sources within the party tell Capitol Hill Blue.

[BlueHen86]

I know you are kidding, but I'll attempt a serious response just for the hell of it.

I think Obama is a pretty smart guy who was still in his political infancy when he ran for President. He lacked political experience and his flaws and inexperience are being exposed. I hope he grows into the job, because I expect he will get re-elected in 2012.

As far as the economy is concerned, I don't blame him for it and I won't give him full credit if it turns around soon. The economy is cyclical and is based largely on confidence, something that no President has much control over.

Is President of the United States and leader of the free world really a position you want someone in who needs to "grow into it"?

You can blame Obama's performance on his "political infancy", but I have political infancy as well and am at least smart enough to know I'm not smart enough to run the fucking country, no matter HOW good of a teleprompter reader I might be.

And the economy might be "cyclical", but everything HE'S done has hurt, rather than helped the economy....with friends like him, who needs enemies?

And, thanks for the shoutout, T-Man!

Once again, I agree with most of what you have said. Never said I wanted him, but since he has the job I hope he gets good at it. We're probably gonna have him for 6 more years.

[BlueHen86]

It's hard for me to read that people are being mean to the president...and not say FU

You need to read the stories about Bush at Obama's inauguration. It was disgusting

I posted a memo that was drafted after Bush in 2002 had his 90% approval rating on AGS. Ralph or whoever deleted it and I got a strike...he didn't want anyone to see it.

Here it is again.



http://web.archive.org/web/200302121154 ... 1476.shtml" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;


Dems plan to undermine America to beat Bush
By DOUG THOMPSON

Jan 6, 2003, 19:21

Democrats plan to undermine public confidence in President George W. Bush by challenging his credibility and raising doubts about America, sources within the party tell Capitol Hill Blue.

There is nothing wrong with being mean the the President. It's a big boy job, the President should be able to take it.

I also don't think there is anything wrong with pointing out failure or even arguing that the President has failed. But, I don't think American's should celebrate the Presidents failure, it seems unpatriotic to me. Now excuse me while I go stock up on midol.

[BDKJMU]

It's hard for me to read that people are being mean to the president...and not say FU

You need to read the stories about Bush at Obama's inauguration. It was disgusting

I posted a memo that was drafted after Bush in 2002 had his 90% approval rating on AGS. Ralph or whoever deleted it and I got a strike...he didn't want anyone to see it.

Here it is again.



http://web.archive.org/web/200302121154 ... 1476.shtml" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;


Dems plan to undermine America to beat Bush
By DOUG THOMPSON

Jan 6, 2003, 19:21

Democrats plan to undermine public confidence in President George W. Bush by challenging his credibility and raising doubts about America, sources within the party tell Capitol Hill Blue.

There is nothing wrong with being mean the the President. It's a big boy job, the President should be able to take it.

I also don't think there is anything wrong with pointing out failure or even arguing that the President has failed. But, I don't think American's should celebrate the Presidents failure, it seems unpatriotic to me. Now excuse me while I go stock up on midol.

Donks did it to Bush for 8 yrs, both in his failures and success that they claimed were failures.

[AZGrizFan]

It's hard for me to read that people are being mean to the president...and not say FU

You need to read the stories about Bush at Obama's inauguration. It was disgusting

I posted a memo that was drafted after Bush in 2002 had his 90% approval rating on AGS. Ralph or whoever deleted it and I got a strike...he didn't want anyone to see it.

Here it is again.



http://web.archive.org/web/200302121154 ... 1476.shtml" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;


Dems plan to undermine America to beat Bush
By DOUG THOMPSON

Jan 6, 2003, 19:21

Democrats plan to undermine public confidence in President George W. Bush by challenging his credibility and raising doubts about America, sources within the party tell Capitol Hill Blue.

There is nothing wrong with being mean the the President. It's a big boy job, the President should be able to take it.

I also don't think there is anything wrong with pointing out failure or even arguing that the President has failed. But, I don't think American's should celebrate the Presidents failure, it seems unpatriotic to me. Now excuse me while I go stock up on midol.

86, the only 'celebration' you'll see from me is each failure is another nail in the coffin of reelection. Because I'm not sure this country could survive ANOTHER 4 years of these policies.

[Ivytalk]

I know you are kidding, but I'll attempt a serious response just for the hell of it.

I think Obama is a pretty smart guy who was still in his political infancy when he ran for President. He lacked political experience and his flaws and inexperience are being exposed. I hope he grows into the job, because I expect he will get re-elected in 2012.

As far as the economy is concerned, I don't blame him for it and I won't give him full credit if it turns around soon. The economy is cyclical and is based largely on confidence, something that no President has much control over.

Is President of the United States and leader of the free world really a position you want someone in who needs to "grow into it"?

You can blame Obama's performance on his "political infancy", but I have political infancy as well and am at least smart enough to know I'm not smart enough to run the **** country, no matter HOW good of a teleprompter reader I might be.

And the economy might be "cyclical", but everything HE'S done has hurt, rather than helped the economy....with friends like him, who needs enemies?

And, thanks for the shoutout, T-Man!

Amen, AZ. Just "shows ta go ya" that intellectual "brilliance" doesn't make a great President. Witness Obama, Carter, Nixon and Clinton.

[BlueHen86]

There is nothing wrong with being mean the the President. It's a big boy job, the President should be able to take it.

I also don't think there is anything wrong with pointing out failure or even arguing that the President has failed. But, I don't think American's should celebrate the Presidents failure, it seems unpatriotic to me. Now excuse me while I go stock up on midol.

Donks did it to Bush for 8 yrs, both in his failures and success that they claimed were failures.

True, and I never suggested otherwise. But if we're going to justify bad actions by pointing out past bad actions of others we're essentially in a race to the bottom. We should try and do better.

[Ivytalk]

Donks did it to Bush for 8 yrs, both in his failures and success that they claimed were failures.

True, and I never suggested otherwise. But if we're going to justify bad actions by pointing out past bad actions of others we're essentially in a race to the bottom. We should try and do better.

Ivytalk/BH86 '12!

[BlueHen86]

There is nothing wrong with being mean the the President. It's a big boy job, the President should be able to take it.

I also don't think there is anything wrong with pointing out failure or even arguing that the President has failed. But, I don't think American's should celebrate the Presidents failure, it seems unpatriotic to me. Now excuse me while I go stock up on midol.

86, the only 'celebration' you'll see from me is each failure is another nail in the coffin of reelection. Because I'm not sure this country could survive ANOTHER 4 years of these policies.

I wasn't accusing you of celebrating. This is T-mans thread and I was/am tweaking him.

[BlueHen86]

True, and I never suggested otherwise. But if we're going to justify bad actions by pointing out past bad actions of others we're essentially in a race to the bottom. We should try and do better.

Ivytalk/BH86 '12!

That works for me, but I'm willing to settle for Ron Paul.

[AZGrizFan]

Ivytalk/BH86 '12!

That works for me, but I'm willing to settle for Ron Paul.

Not a bad consolation prize.

[BDKJMU]

Dow Average Has Its Longest Weekly Slump Since 2004

"U.S. stocks fell this week, sending the Dow Jones Industrial Average to its longest streak of losses since 2004, after worse-than-estimated reports on jobs and manufacturing fueled concern earnings growth will slow.
All 10 Standard & Poor’s 500 Index groups dropped,........"
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-06-0 ... onomy.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Thats 5 straight weeks of declines in the markets.....

[CID1990]

Anyone who has spent the time honing their political skills enough to be elected to national office is not going to be sharp on fiscal policy and how to protect the US economy. (Unless that person was a macroeconomist to begin with).

Presidents tend to be ideologues by fiat (and if they are not, they are pushed in that direction by their parties), so it does not matter who is in the White House; instead it is the party that matters. If it is a Democrat, then spending is going to be the answer. If it is a Republican, then cutting taxes is going to be the answer (BTW- Republicans talk the less spending-smaller gummint talk, but most do not walk the walk). The problem with this is that neither policy is going to fish us out of this. The fiscal belief systems of both sides are going to ruin us, because it is not possible to fix what is wrong with the economy without causing some pain across the board. Neither side is going to do that.

However, in terms of what needs to be done, I tend to side more with conservatives. We are too far in debt to spend or stimulate ourselves out of this. New road projects, new bridges, new EPA studies on how noise pollution affects the breeding cycles of Japanese hornets are all being paid for by a government that does not have the money. If you cannot make the interest payment on your house, then why in the hell would you put it on your MasterCard?

[kalm]

True, and I never suggested otherwise. But if we're going to justify bad actions by pointing out past bad actions of others we're essentially in a race to the bottom. We should try and do better.

Ivytalk/BH86 '12!

Now that's a Conk ticket I could support. 86 could balance ivy's right wing radical tendencies. He'd be the Cheney to your Bush.

[AZGrizFan]

Anyone who has spent the time honing their political skills enough to be elected to national office is not going to be sharp on fiscal policy and how to protect the US economy. (Unless that person was a macroeconomist to begin with).

Presidents tend to be ideologues by fiat (and if they are not, they are pushed in that direction by their parties), so it does not matter who is in the White House; instead it is the party that matters. If it is a Democrat, then spending is going to be the answer. If it is a Republican, then cutting taxes is going to be the answer (BTW- Republicans talk the less spending-smaller gummint talk, but most do not walk the walk). The problem with this is that neither policy is going to fish us out of this. The fiscal belief systems of both sides are going to ruin us, because it is not possible to fix what is wrong with the economy without causing some pain across the board. Neither side is going to do that.

However, in terms of what needs to be done, I tend to side more with conservatives. We are too far in debt to spend or stimulate ourselves out of this. New road projects, new bridges, new EPA studies on how noise pollution affects the breeding cycles of Japanese hornets are all being paid for by a government that does not have the money. If you cannot make the interest payment on your house, then why in the hell would you put it on your MasterCard?

[Ivytalk]

Ivytalk/BH86 '12!

Now that's a Conk ticket I could support. 86 could balance ivy's right wing radical tendencies. He'd be the Cheney to your Bush.

Wouldn't that be the other way around?

[kalm]

Now that's a Conk ticket I could support. 86 could balance ivy's right wing radical tendencies. He'd be the Cheney to your Bush.

Wouldn't that be the other way around?

Well Bush is a fellow Ivy leaguer whereas Cheney flunked out of Yale and ended up getting a masters at Wyoming - the Delaware of the Mountain West. I was trying to work that angle.

[BlueHen86]

Anyone who has spent the time honing their political skills enough to be elected to national office is not going to be sharp on fiscal policy and how to protect the US economy. (Unless that person was a macroeconomist to begin with).

Presidents tend to be ideologues by fiat (and if they are not, they are pushed in that direction by their parties), so it does not matter who is in the White House; instead it is the party that matters. If it is a Democrat, then spending is going to be the answer. If it is a Republican, then cutting taxes is going to be the answer (BTW- Republicans talk the less spending-smaller gummint talk, but most do not walk the walk). The problem with this is that neither policy is going to fish us out of this. The fiscal belief systems of both sides are going to ruin us, because it is not possible to fix what is wrong with the economy without causing some pain across the board. Neither side is going to do that.

However, in terms of what needs to be done, I tend to side more with conservatives. We are too far in debt to spend or stimulate ourselves out of this. New road projects, new bridges, new EPA studies on how noise pollution affects the breeding cycles of Japanese hornets are all being paid for by a government that does not have the money. If you cannot make the interest payment on your house, then why in the hell would you put it on your MasterCard?

Great post.

I was on board with the idea of stimulus spending, but I never saw it happen. It would have been nice if we actually fixed our infrastructure like was talked about.

Just last year a bridge near my house that crosses the Schuykill River failed an inspection and is now closed indefinitely. This is the sort of thing that the stimulus should have been used for. I understand people not liking the idea of stimulus spending, but even the people who supported the idea can't be thrilled with the results.

[Skjellyfetti]

Just last year a bridge near my house that crosses the Schuykill River failed an inspection and is now closed indefinitely. This is the sort of thing that the stimulus should have been used for. I understand people not liking the idea of stimulus spending, but even the people who supported the idea can't be thrilled with the results.

Can you be more specific on this bridge? I've found several bridges over the Schuykil River that are or will receive stimulus money. Not sure if yours is one of them.

[Ibanez]

The Daily Mail? That rag hasn't been right on anything since the Anschluss.

But, hey, thanks, President Obama!

And even then they believed that Hitler wouldn't want any more territory.