No refusal DUI checkpoint

[D1B]

Z, even at 50 a day, the response you advocate is way too much. You're caught in a vat of shit, dummy. You hate government, yet you want them at check points pulling everyone over and subjecting them to searches and harassment. You also have all the confidence that the government is capable of setting the standard of what constitutes "impaired". .08! What a joke. It used to twice that not too long ago and yet incidents are declining.

You're just another paranoid military fuck even though all you did was suck dicks in the navy.

[AZGrizFan]

Z, even at 50 a day, the response you advocate is way too much. You're caught in a vat of shit, dummy. You hate government, yet you want them at check points pulling everyone over and subjecting them to searches and harassment. You also have all the confidence that the government is capable of setting the standard of what constitutes "impaired". .08! What a joke. It used to twice that not too long ago and yet incidents are declining.

You're just another paranoid military fuck even though all you did was suck dicks in the navy.

Personal attacks = Victory for AZ.

Ever think that maybe when "impaired was twice .08" that's why the alcohol related DEATH rate was twice what it is today?

Perhaps you ought to sit a few plays out, D....you're off your game today.

[D1B]

Z, even at 50 a day, the response you advocate is way too much. You're caught in a vat of shit, dummy. You hate government, yet you want them at check points pulling everyone over and subjecting them to searches and harassment. You also have all the confidence that the government is capable of setting the standard of what constitutes "impaired". .08! What a joke. It used to twice that not too long ago and yet incidents are declining.

You're just another paranoid military fuck even though all you did was suck dicks in the navy.

Personal attacks = Victory for AZ.

Ever think that maybe when "impaired was twice .08" that's why the alcohol related DEATH rate was twice what it is today?

Perhaps you ought to sit a few plays out, D....you're off your game today.

Z, I aint saying we shouldn't be tough on DD's. Checkpoints, however, is going way too far. You know this too. We caught you being a hypocrit and you're trying to claw your way out.

50 a day out of 300 million people Z.

[AZGrizFan]

Personal attacks = Victory for AZ.

Ever think that maybe when "impaired was twice .08" that's why the alcohol related DEATH rate was twice what it is today?

Perhaps you ought to sit a few plays out, D....you're off your game today.

Z, I aint saying we shouldn't be tough on DD's. Checkpoints, however, is going way too far. You know this too. We caught you being a hypocrit and you're trying to claw your way out.

50 a day out of 300 million people Z.

So we have to wait until they mow over 10 people waiting at a bus stop, or run a school bus off the road into a ravine before we get "tough" on them?

That's like closing the barn door after the horse gets out.

[ASUG8]

Z, I aint saying we shouldn't be tough on DD's. Checkpoints, however, is going way too far. You know this too. We caught you being a hypocrit and you're trying to claw your way out.

50 a day out of 300 million people Z.

So we have to wait until they mow over 10 people waiting at a bus stop, or run a school bus off the road into a ravine before we get "tough" on them?

That's like closing the barn door after the horse gets out.

Who's this "they" you're talking about, Z?

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[AZGrizFan]

So we have to wait until they mow over 10 people waiting at a bus stop, or run a school bus off the road into a ravine before we get "tough" on them?

That's like closing the barn door after the horse gets out.

Who's this "they" you're talking about, Z?

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You believed that?

[ASUG8]

Who's this "they" you're talking about, Z?

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You believed that?

If it's on the interweb, it's true. The Google told me so.

[AZGrizFan]

You believed that?

If it's on the interweb, it's true. The Google told me so.

You go with that... It's gotten you this far...

[Grizalltheway]

Not like 6 BLs is enough to get a buzz, anyway.

[AZGrizFan]

Not like 6 BLs is enough to get a buzz, anyway.

Touche....

[D1B]

Z, I aint saying we shouldn't be tough on DD's. Checkpoints, however, is going way too far. You know this too. We caught you being a hypocrit and you're trying to claw your way out.

50 a day out of 300 million people Z.

So we have to wait until they mow over 10 people waiting at a bus stop, or run a school bus off the road into a ravine before we get "tough" on them?

That's like closing the barn door after the horse gets out.

We are tough on them Z. Very tough. That's why numbers continue to decline.

This thread though is about checkpoints and how they degrade freedom, punish nonoffenders and do not address the root issues which are 1. chronic alcoholism and 2. repeat offenders.

This, again, is aside from the fact that it aint near of big deal as the cunts at MADD (and the police unions) would have you believe. You're a victim of the hype.

Z, you're a victim of the hype.

[AZGrizFan]

So we have to wait until they mow over 10 people waiting at a bus stop, or run a school bus off the road into a ravine before we get "tough" on them?

That's like closing the barn door after the horse gets out.

We are tough on them Z. Very tough. That's why numbers continue to decline.

This thread though is about checkpoints and how they degrade freedom, punish nonoffenders and do not address the root issues which are 1. chronic alcoholism and 2. repeat offenders.

This, again, is aside from the fact that it aint near of big deal as the cunts at MADD (and the police unions) would have you believe. You're a victim of the hype.

Z, you're a victim of the hype.

To be tough on them, you have to catch them.

[D1B]

Yep Z, that's part of it. I have no problem with increased or targeted patrols, mandatory brac ignitions and harsher penalties for first time offenders. I also think liquor is undertaxed and bar owners overserve kids and drunks.

[AZGrizFan]

Yep Z, that's part of it. I have no problem with increased or targeted patrols, mandatory brac ignitions and harsher penalties for first time offenders. I also think liquor is undertaxed and bar owners overserve kids and drunks.

Agreed on all points.

[BDKJMU]

Yep Z, that's part of it. I have no problem with increased or targeted patrols, mandatory brac ignitions and harsher penalties for first time offenders. I also think liquor is undertaxed and bar owners overserve kids and drunks.

Now way. Note the fed excise taxes alone.
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Then you have state excise taxes which are often higher. For example in PA (which I realize is higher than most states) we have the:
-18% "Johnstown flood tax" on all beer, wine and licquor
-multiply on 6% sales tax at wholesale
-multiply on 6% sales tax at retail.
Plus its higher in Philly and Pittsburgh. Philly has an 8% sales and their poured drink tax is 11%.
(Why I try to buy most of my booze in neighboring Delaware with much lower excise taxes).

You buy beer or liquor at the store or bar and taxes often add on 30%, 40%, 50% or more...

[citdog]

Yep Z, that's part of it. I have no problem with increased or targeted patrols, mandatory brac ignitions and harsher penalties for first time offenders. I also think liquor is undertaxed and bar owners overserve kids and drunks.

Now way. Note the fed excise taxes alone.
http://www.ttb.gov/tax_audit/atftaxes.shtml" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Then you have state excise taxes which are often higher. For example in PA (which I realize is higher than most states) we have the:
-18% "Johnstown flood tax" on all beer, wine and licquor
-multiply on 6% sales tax at wholesale
-multiply on 6% sales tax at retail.
Plus its higher in Philly and Pittsburgh. Philly has an 8% sales and their poured drink tax is 11%.
(Why I try to buy most of my booze in neighboring Delaware with much lower excise taxes).

You buy beer or liquor at the store or bar and taxes often add on 30%, 40%, 50% or more...

no wonder weed is still illegal

[ASUG8]

Now way. Note the fed excise taxes alone.
http://www.ttb.gov/tax_audit/atftaxes.shtml" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Then you have state excise taxes which are often higher. For example in PA (which I realize is higher than most states) we have the:
-18% "Johnstown flood tax" on all beer, wine and licquor
-multiply on 6% sales tax at wholesale
-multiply on 6% sales tax at retail.
Plus its higher in Philly and Pittsburgh. Philly has an 8% sales and their poured drink tax is 11%.
(Why I try to buy most of my booze in neighboring Delaware with much lower excise taxes).

You buy beer or liquor at the store or bar and taxes often add on 30%, 40%, 50% or more...

no wonder weed is still illegal

no wonder they're all moving down here.

[D1B]

Absolutely, compared to corn and diapers, it's taxed heavily. IMO, when you factor its devastating costs to society, it's not taxed enough.

[BDKJMU]

Absolutely, compared to corn and diapers, it's taxed heavily. IMO, when you factor its devastating costs to society, it's not taxed enough.

Either make it illegal or tax it like everything else.

[ming01]

dui checkpoints are unconstitutional

[expandspanos]

dui checkpoints are unconstitutional

100% true.. also, the people's rights to bear arms as layed forth in the Second Amendment wasn't supposed to be infringed at all- meaning we should be able to have the most advanced guns, even scud missiles and directed energy weapons.. but, guess we all know what happened to the Second Amendment (like our other rights).

[CID1990]

dui checkpoints are unconstitutional

Hey look! It's John Marshall!

Who knew?