Florida Doctors Begin Refusing To Treat Overweight Patients

[grizzaholic]

Baldy, you don't shit about Jesus, that's why I asked Hen.

How the fuck do you know they're lazy and don't have a medical issue? Typical fucking know it all conk.

You're wrong (again) too.

So that would make you what???? The supreme grand master Conk? You know it all on every thread.

[travelinman67]

Hen: Doesn't comprehend that the medical profession is governed by a millinea-old ethical code of conduct, still enchaptered within today's licensing process...for good reason. Also doesn't recognize a person's civil rights can be violated without an accompanying criminal act/breach of contract.

Jellydonut, Baldy: Superficial, trailer park quality, soundbite-driven analysis.

SMFH

[Baldy]

Jesus would probably ask his children to get off their asses, stop stuffing their faces with Mickey D's, and quit being lazy fat sloths (not only an animal, but one of the 7 deadly sins), but what do I know?

Baldy, you don't shit about Jesus, that's why I asked Hen.

How the fuck do you know they're lazy and don't have a medical issue? Typical fucking know it all conk.

You're wrong (again) too.

There are always exceptions to the rule, but the vast overwhelming majority of morbidly obese people are that way because they eat way too damn much and do not get enough (or any) exercise.

If you don't agree with the above statement, prove me wrong.

[Baldy]

Hen: Doesn't comprehend that the medical profession is governed by a millinea-old ethical code of conduct, still enchaptered within today's licensing process...for good reason. Also doesn't recognize a person's civil rights can be violated without an accompanying criminal act/breach of contract.

Jellydonut, Baldy: Superficial, trailer park quality, soundbite-driven analysis.

SMFH

Lemme get this straight...

You believe that doctors should be required to treat people they do not want to treat because of their ethical code.

Do you also believe that doctors should be required to preform certain legal treatments on these same patients even though it goes against their personal beliefs? Maybe like an abortion

Sorry, there is no way you can require one without requiring the other.

[travelinman67]

Baldy, you don't shit about Jesus, that's why I asked Hen.

How the fuck do you know they're lazy and don't have a medical issue? Typical fucking know it all conk.

You're wrong (again) too.

There are always exceptions to the rule, but the vast overwhelming majority of morbidly obese people are that way because they eat way too damn much and do not get enough (or any) exercise.

If you don't agree with the above statement, prove me wrong.

You're just kidding us, right?

Nobody can be this dense.

It's not about dietary poor habits...

...it's about the doctors refusing to accept patients over a specific weight...

...ABSENT AN INTAKE EXAMINATION TO RULE OUT A MEDICAL CAUSE FOR THEIR APPARENT WEIGHT ISSUE.

Even if D1B and Cap' dieted 24/7, I'd wager they could NEVER drop below 240 (just a guess), merely because they're freakishly large and have a high BMI. Should they be denied medial treatment too?

Baldy, somehow, you just don't get it. This isn't a judgement thread about American eating habits, it's about a small group of doctors who've forgotten the fundamental rule of medicine: Do no harm.

[travelinman67]

Hen: Doesn't comprehend that the medical profession is governed by a millinea-old ethical code of conduct, still enchaptered within today's licensing process...for good reason. Also doesn't recognize a person's civil rights can be violated without an accompanying criminal act/breach of contract.

Jellydonut, Baldy: Superficial, trailer park quality, soundbite-driven analysis.

SMFH

Lemme get this straight...

You believe that doctors should be required to treat people they do not want to treat because of their ethical code.

Yes. They swore an affirmation of either a hippocratic oath or physicians's oath to become licensed physicians.

Do you also believe that doctors should be required to preform certain legal treatments on these same patients even though it goes against their personal beliefs? Maybe like an abortion

No. This is a seperate issue about personal/religious beliefs. The doctors in question have made it known this is about economic benefit, not personal/religious belief.

Sorry, there is no way you can require one without requiring the other.

Yes, you can.

Again, Baldy, you're looking at this superficially. There motives are greed-driven and not protected either by their professional code of conduct or civil law.

[Skjellyfetti]

dieted 24/7

this made me

sorry, but only a fat would say something like this. as if dieting was normally only for 4 hours a day or just 4 out of the 7 days a week.


And, if any self-made obese person cut their calorie intake drastically, ate actual nutritional food, and started doing cardio regularly, they'd lose weight.... and would easily be able to find someone to examine their vaginas or fit into an airplane seat.

[89Hen]

Hen, what would Jesus do? What would Jesus ask of his children?

So you want me to impose religious beliefs on this discussion?

[89Hen]

Hen: Doesn't comprehend that the medical profession is governed by a millinea-old ethical code of conduct, still enchaptered within today's licensing process...for good reason. Also doesn't recognize a person's civil rights can be violated without an accompanying criminal act/breach of contract.

And you don't comprehend the difference between law, ethics, guidelines and decisions.

[89Hen]

it's about a small group of doctors who've forgotten the fundamental rule of medicine: Do no harm.

You can't do harm if you don't see them as a patient.

[Vidav]

They can just go to a different doctor. . .

[Baldy]

There are always exceptions to the rule, but the vast overwhelming majority of morbidly obese people are that way because they eat way too damn much and do not get enough (or any) exercise.

If you don't agree with the above statement, prove me wrong.

You're just kidding us, right?

Nobody can be this dense.

It's not about dietary poor habits...

...it's about the doctors refusing to accept patients over a specific weight...

...ABSENT AN INTAKE EXAMINATION TO RULE OUT A MEDICAL CAUSE FOR THEIR APPARENT WEIGHT ISSUE.

Even if D1B and Cap' dieted 24/7, I'd wager they could NEVER drop below 240 (just a guess), merely because they're freakishly large and have a high BMI. Should they be denied medial treatment too?

Baldy, somehow, you just don't get it. This isn't a judgement thread about American eating habits, it's about a small group of doctors who've forgotten the fundamental rule of medicine: Do no harm.

Fine, take the fatties out of the equation. Being a doctor is a business. Just like any other business who has clients or customers, they have the fundamental right according to the 1st amendment to associate with whomever they wish.

If people have problems with their weight, there are things called Bariatric physicians who specialize in treating obesity. Along the same lines, if you need a heart transplant, you don't demand that an orthopedic surgeon preform the surgery.

[89Hen]

They can just go to a different doctor. . .

Somebody else gets it.

[Baldy]

Yes. They swore an affirmation of either a hippocratic oath or physicians's oath to become licensed physicians.

OK then, please show me exactly where in the Hippocratic Oath it says that "I" as a doctor is ethically required to treat every patient who darkens my doorstep.

No. This is a seperate issue about personal/religious beliefs. The doctors in question have made it known this is about economic benefit, not personal/religious belief.

Ok, so economic freedom applies to everyone except doctors of medicine...got it.

Again, Baldy, you're looking at this superficially. There motives are greed-driven and not protected either by their professional code of conduct or civil law.

No, I'm looking at this from a common sense perspective. Every decision should be defaulted on the side of freedom. Motives be damned, just like you and I, MD's should have the freedom to associate with whomever they wish.

[GannonFan]

Hen: Doesn't comprehend that the medical profession is governed by a millinea-old ethical code of conduct, still enchaptered within today's licensing process...for good reason. Also doesn't recognize a person's civil rights can be violated without an accompanying criminal act/breach of contract.

Jellydonut, Baldy: Superficial, trailer park quality, soundbite-driven analysis.

SMFH

Just jumping in here - there really is no millinea-old ethical code of conduct. The Hippocratic Oath has changed or been modified significantly over the ages. Didn't the original Oath ban doctors from performing euthanasia, abortions, and even surgical procedures (actually implying that surgeons weren't even covered by the Oath)? Heck, the original Oath even alluded to the fact that education in medicine should be free (I'm sure those in med school today would love to revive that one). Falling back on the idea that doctors are taking some time-honored Oath is ignoring the reality that whichever Oath they take today is pretty different from what they took 100 years ago or 1000 years ago and that it really doesn't bind them to be public servants. Maybe to some they should be public servants and an argument can be made for that, but the oaths they are taking or have taken have never been to that effect.

[D1B]

Hen, what would Jesus do? What would Jesus ask of his children?

So you want me to impose religious beliefs on this discussion?

Just answer the question, Fat Fuck. You're only religious on Sunday.

[Bronco]

I saw the future last fall.
I went into see the best Knee Dr in town and the secretary gave me the 3rd degree about my finances and insurance before I was allowed to see him.

The best Dr's are already starting to go into private practice.

They will opt out with Obama telling them how much they can make and who they have to see.

The masses will be stuck seeing the guy/gal that finished at the bottom of their class or got their degree from a 3rd world country.

If you want the good service you better be in our new polit bureau or have cash

[D1B]

I saw the future last fall.
I went into see the best Knee Dr in town and the secretary gave me the 3rd degree about my finances and insurance before I was allowed to see him.

The best Dr's are already starting to go into private practice.

They will opt out with Obama telling them how much they can make and who they have to see.

The masses will be stuck seeing the guy/gal that finished at the bottom of their class or got their degree from a 3rd world country.

If you want the good service you better be in our new polit bureau or have cash

Broncster,

Did your proctologist ever retrieve that catcher's mask that Grizo shoved up your ass after the Weber State game?

That had to hurt.

[D1B]

Yes. They swore an affirmation of either a hippocratic oath or physicians's oath to become licensed physicians.

OK then, please show me exactly where in the Hippocratic Oath it says that "I" as a doctor is ethically required to treat every patient who darkens my doorstep.

No. This is a seperate issue about personal/religious beliefs. The doctors in question have made it known this is about economic benefit, not personal/religious belief.

Ok, so economic freedom applies to everyone except doctors of medicine...got it.

Again, Baldy, you're looking at this superficially. There motives are greed-driven and not protected either by their professional code of conduct or civil law.

No, I'm looking at this from a common sense perspective. Every decision should be defaulted on the side of freedom. Motives be damned, just like you and I, MD's should have the freedom to associate with whomever they wish.

Hey Baldy, I understand your point and it's valid, in your bleak, cold, black and white world Ayn Rand, but where does decency enter the picture? Simple human decency.

[Baldy]

OK then, please show me exactly where in the Hippocratic Oath it says that "I" as a doctor is ethically required to treat every patient who darkens my doorstep.



Ok, so economic freedom applies to everyone except doctors of medicine...got it.


No, I'm looking at this from a common sense perspective. Every decision should be defaulted on the side of freedom. Motives be damned, just like you and I, MD's should have the freedom to associate with whomever they wish.

Hey Baldy, I understand your point and it's valid, in your bleak, cold, black and white world Ayn Rand, but where does decency enter the picture? Simple human decency.

There are countless wonderful decent doctors out there who would love nothing more than to treat morbidly obese patients, and God bless them all.
However, nobody should be ever be forced to enter a commercial agreement between two parties at the point of a gun.

[89Hen]

So you want me to impose religious beliefs on this discussion?

Just answer the question, Fat Fuck. You're only religious on Sunday.

My religion has nothing to do with whether it's legal for doctors in Florida to turn away patients. YOU of all people should be glad that I don't interject religion into this.

[D1B]

Hey Baldy, I understand your point and it's valid, in your bleak, cold, black and white world Ayn Rand, but where does decency enter the picture? Simple human decency.

There are countless wonderful decent doctors out there who would love nothing more than to treat morbidly obese patients, and God bless them all.
However, nobody should be ever be forced to enter a commercial agreement between two parties at the point of a gun.

Agree

[89Hen]

Hey Baldy, I understand your point and it's valid, in your bleak, cold, black and white world Ayn Rand, but where does decency enter the picture? Simple human decency.

When the question becomes do you think the doctors should see them vs do they have to. You do know there's a differnce, right? The fact that this happened to overweight people is making all the overweight people here turn into .

[D1B]

Just answer the question, Fat Fuck. You're only religious on Sunday.

My religion has nothing to do with whether it's legal for doctors in Florida to turn away patients. YOU of all people should be glad that I don't interject religion into this.

Just asking what jesus would do.

Just asking you to reconcile your love of Ayn Rand AND Jesus Christ.

[89Hen]

Just asking what jesus would do.

Just asking you to reconcile your love of Ayn Rand AND Jesus Christ.

You know the answer, but you also hate when religion mixes with the law, so.....